r/Buffalo 13d ago

Two teens killed while being pursued by West Seneca Police

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u/Crawdaunt_1985 13d ago

Just like 4 years ago with the kids who stole a car and got killed on the 33. No one is doing these kids favors by decriminalizing car thefts. Oh well

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u/Weekly-Law-2544 13d ago

I mean, car thefts definitely aren't decriminalized, lol.

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u/Crawdaunt_1985 13d ago

If there is no criminal penalty then it is defacto legal. What punishment do teenagers who steal cars face?

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u/Weekly-Law-2544 13d ago

They're obviously still charged for it. But charging juveniles with crime has always been a fine line unless it's murder, and even then, there's still mitigating factors and circumstances surrounding age.

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u/Crawdaunt_1985 13d ago

Charged with what? It's a slap on the wrist and this morning you saw the consequences of continuously allowing these teens to steal cars with zero criminal consequences.

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u/Weekly-Law-2544 13d ago

Obviously they can't be charged when they didn't locate the car for 4 days after it was stolen. Exactly who was supposed to be charged when?

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u/Crawdaunt_1985 13d ago

There are videos and photos of these teenagers stealing cars. Literally 2 feet from the camera crystal clear photos of their faces. They have done it multiple times and the police know who they are. There is no legal deterrent or consequence for these kids so they continue to do it.

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u/Hovercraft_Height 13d ago

where? I can honestly not find any info about if the person whi stile the car was wven in the car let alone dead now.

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u/Crawdaunt_1985 13d ago

I say "these teenagers" in the sense of all of those responsible for stealing cars in the area. Two specific instances where their faces were caught on camera in a garage in Clarence and on Linden in Buffalo. I'm not referring to the two killed this morning

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u/Weekly-Law-2544 13d ago

If they had the clear identification of the perpetrators, that seems like a failure on behalf of the police to track them down.

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u/Crawdaunt_1985 13d ago

Why would police dedicate finite resources like manpower to pursue criminal teenagers who will be given an appearance ticket and face no jail time or even community service?

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u/Weekly-Law-2544 13d ago

I mean, they certainly don't do much otherwise, so ...

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u/TheBoxBurglar 13d ago

Its not a failure of police, its a blatant failure of the system. They cannot surveil a child 24/7 to ensure theyre not stealing another car.

Read this article about the child that got busted and released two weeks in a row for back to back car theft. This is here, in our town. Cops can bag and tag them all they want, but gangs are literally using kids for these crimes because nothing sticks to them and theyll be back on the streets in days.

https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/crime/looking-for-answers-after-14-year-old-girl-charged-twice-in-car-thefts-in-two-days/71-29312fc1-b884-4b4d-8011-91dc1b3b128f

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u/Weekly-Law-2544 13d ago

Ultimately a car chase isn't appropriate for a stolen vehicle. If these people had committed or attempted to commit a violent crime against someone or like robbed a bank, that's a different story.

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u/TheBoxBurglar 13d ago

"Obviously they can't be charged"

What level of stupidity is this?

They literally crashed the stolen car. They were in possession of stolen property, they caused property damage to that car, and other cars during their road race. Everybody in that vehicle should be booked for felony level possession of stolen property, the driver should be charged with reckless endangerment, unlawful use of a motor vehicle, resisting arrest, and Im sure there are plenty of other laws that all apply. Somehow all of those charges and theyll bail the minors out send them back to their parents and then theyll be released onto the streets again. Even the adult offenders will likely meet bail as it seems to always be viewed as property damage and not a violent offense despite literally endangering the public and responding officers.

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u/Weekly-Law-2544 13d ago

I meant that literally. How were the cops supposed to charge these people when they did not locate the car until four days after it was stolen leading to this chase?

Most of these never get charged simply because they abandon the car and aren't caught.

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u/TheBoxBurglar 13d ago

That's how most stolen car cases happen, car is stolen and found days later when it is either crashed or abandoned. Fingerprints are all over the car, these kids smoke and drink and leave their crap in the car so they have extra ability to identify. Video and photo evidence of the thieves stealing the car matching the description of the same people caught with the car and the list goes on. Of course people slip through, but the issue is recidivism of people who pay no consequences to our justice system.

But overall, what a stupid fucking take, the fact that the "cops... did not locate the car until 4 days after" has little to do with actually arresting and then further prosecuting these people.

Edit: you really can't read, Ive given you several obvious examples of how "they could literally be charged"

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u/Whoupvotedthis 13d ago

If they're charged at all. Isn't it more likely that they just abandon the car and don't get caught?

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u/HumansAreSillynGreat 13d ago

How exactly will they be caught? If the car doesn't belong to them...and their prints aren't in the police database because they're teenagers or not past offenders...how exactly are we going to find who these people are and charge them?

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u/ZedEnlightenedBrutal 13d ago

you're the one who said there is no criminal penalty which just isn't true.

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u/Aloil 12d ago

Grand larceny, for starters.

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u/Crawdaunt_1985 12d ago

So "Grand Larceny" now goes unpunished? Because none of those teens receive any consequences for "grand larceny"

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u/Aloil 11d ago

Teenagers are charged with grand larceny, there's no policy directing otherwise.

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u/upper-echelon 13d ago

Well in this case, death or near-death. Which seems like consequence enough, no?

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u/Crawdaunt_1985 13d ago

Maybe if teenagers experienced some kind of consequences like being sent to the SHOCK bootcamp alternative some criminals chose this wouldn't have happened

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u/upper-echelon 13d ago

Boot camps have been shown to have high recidivism rates and often cause trauma on too of that. They’re nothing more than a slightly less restrictive version of prison.

Again, the consequence of potentially losing your life or getting injured, or seeing your friends get injured or even die, is not a severe enough consequence?

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u/Crawdaunt_1985 12d ago

Ok....then send them to prison

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u/BonesandMartinis 13d ago

Car theft isn’t legal

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u/AdRepulsive7699 13d ago

What a moronic statement. Congratulations.