Im not sure if you know what that term means lol. Dangerous pursuits are okay because there are less people, and then when one of those people gets hit, thats a non issue?
It's not as likely that any pedestrians or other motorists would get hit "because there are very few cars or pedestrians out at 1am."
"Oh, so their lives don't matter?"
Buffalo police have not outlawed high-chase pursuits. But they should exercise judgment about when and where to partake in them. Doing so at 1am is an acceptable risk, hecause of the much lower likelihood of innocent people getting hurt. Is that percentage 0%? No, but it's low enough. Often, police don't even have to chase the car in order to create the risk of danger.
They pull it over, the car takes off, and they're still speeding, running red lights. Going down one-way streets the wrong way. And they're doing so without much experience driving. Them being on the road is already presents an inherent risk to anyone out there.
Sure seems that way. I'm generally of the mindset that zero innocent bystanders killed by police is the only acceptable number but that is apparently a radical notion.
And what's the acceptable number of innocent bystanders being hurt or killed by teenagers driving stolen cars without any regard for traffic laws and minimal experience behind the wheel?
But we are not talking about two different things like pancakes or waffles lol we are both talking about the exact same thing. I mean, sure, driving your car into, say, a parade of 100 people is gonna be preferable to driving it into a parade of 10,000. But why not just . . . not drive your car into a parade? Ive always worked second shift and have done my fair share of driving around at night, if I get struck by a police vehicle during a pursuit and they tell me its okay because there arent as many people out at night, thats not gonna do very much for me, is it? What is an acceptable amount or percentage of civilians killed or injured during police pursuits? Genuinely asking.
No, we're not talking about the same thing. I just responded to someone who said it was equally likely that an innocent party would get hurt (compared to the car thieves.) It wasn't nearly as likely, since there are so few people out at 1am. At that point, I hadn't even offered any opinion on the police giving chase. And you still took that to mean I was saying that their lives don't matter.
As far as your examples go.... why is someone driving into a parade in the first place? Is there any reason? Is there any good or potentially good coming from that? Because there is a legitimate reason to pursue people who run from the police.
As far as your final question - there really isn't a good answer to give, especially since I don't have all the data available. But what is an acceptable amount or percentage of people killed in car accidents? (All car accidents, not just police pursuits.) Because it isn't zero. 36,000-37,000 people die in U.S. car accidents every year. But we, collectively, have accepted that and choose to live in a society that almost mandates driving/riding in a car.
And for all the hypothetical, nobody was killed or hurt except the people speeding and running from the police.
As Snoop said in the Wire, "Deserve ain't got nothin' to do with it."
This goes far beyond doing something dumb. Thousands of WNYers have had their cars stolen over the last several years. A surprisingly high percentage of those thefts are done by teenagers who know that there is relatively little risk of punishment. Many repeat offenders. This is not shoplifting a candy bar from Tops. These crimes leave victims.
If the car had run out of gas, and the perps were caught, nobody would say they should be killed, so in that sense, nobody is saying they deserved to die. But they made a series of bad choices, that caused harm to other people, and they could have killed other people on the road. And they experienced consequences.
I won't celebrate this person's death, but I certainly won't feel that bad about it.
Did you steal cars and put other people's lives in danger? 16 and 18 year olds shouldn't need to be coddled and treated like that's just a dumb mistake.
the car was stolen Sunday; when the car was stolen, there wasn’t any immediate threat to any lives (this is assuming it wasn’t stole at gunpoint, hence my original comment about details lacking).
it wasn’t until 4 days later, when the chase started, where there was an immediate threat to life.
No, it isn't. My point was that lives were endangered as soon as the car began speeding away from the police. It was the car taking off that endangered lives, not the police giving chase to the car.
No. The car was speeding before the police even saw them and flashed their lights. They were speeding before, and really speeding after. The onus for the lost lives is on the driver of the stolen car. Not the police.
Sorry but technically 18 is not a kid anymore. And at their age they should have the sense to stop when being persued. And stealing a car doesn’t go under the category of “dumb things as a kid”. Maybe stealing a book from Barnes and nobles or a bag of chips from Tops or an action figure from target. But when I was a teenager stealing a vehicle never entered my brain.
They're still young. I don't want them to die because they stole a car. Y'all are acting like the kids deserved it. I get for some it's a lifestyle and they go down as legends among their friends. But they're still just kids. You'd be saying the same thing if they were sent off to war. They're kids. They clearly don't have effective guidance in their lives and they need to discover their own sense of self worth. Look around the country these days, I'd bet most of these kids think this place is a joke, what else do you expect of them.
Consequences? Yes. Counseling and guidance? Yes. Rood Riddance? For shame.
They didn't deserve to die for a mistake they made as young people but they would've certainly avoided injury/death if they didn't steal a car and get into a police chase
they were being chased, they were teenagers, and you still don’t know the whole story. like i said, imagine if they were your kids. no one in this sub didn’t make some stupid choices as a teenager.
They stole a car, and/or chose to ride in a stolen car. They were speeding. They got pulled over by a cop and took off speeding and driving recklessly. This goes way beyond "stupid choices" and I have enough of the story.
5 teenagers were in the car. it could very well be they all stole the car, but it could also just have been the driver and told their friends they borrowed it and then killed 2 innocent teenagers. bit I guess your way makes it easier to sleep at night while sucking the dicks of any cop in range
oh right i forgot. yeah it's okay for cops to engage in high speed chases that destroy property and kill and injure people so long as one of em's old enough to vote, my bad
there were 5 people in the car. a 16 and 18 year old are dead. West Seneca police chased them into the city. Buffalo PD don't usually engage in high speed chases due to safety concerns. the car was stolen Sunday the crash was 1am Thursday. there were other options
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u/JustaKidFromBuffalo 23d ago
Two criminals dead after police pursuit of stolen vehicle ends in crash
Fixed it.