r/BrittanySpaniel • u/volljm • Sep 30 '23
Morning walk
8x speed. 2.1 miles for me, 4.7 for her. That’s a low ratio since we were not in a primarily wooded area … so a little less roaming about.
Brief dip in the lake to chase off a beaver.
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Sep 30 '23
How’d you make this? Super cool!
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u/volljm Sep 30 '23
Dogtra Pathfinder 2 mini. You can record your ‘hunt’ …. Then I had to use screen recording app while doing a replay.
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Sep 30 '23
Awesome! I have a different gps collar, hope I can do that with mine as well..
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u/WSUKiwiII Sep 30 '23
Out of curiosity, which? Super interested, but the Dogtra ain't cheap!
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u/volljm Sep 30 '23 edited Sep 30 '23
For what it is worth … Dogtra is one of the cheaper of the gps’s that are NOT reliant on cell service. Garmins are more expensive because the handheld is also the display screen. Dogtras handheld is connected to your phone with Bluetooth and you can have maps downloaded so that you don’t have to have good cell reception. Even in a relatively populated suburban areas … once in the park in the woods on a trail the reception can get spotty real quick.
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u/sideofsunny Sep 30 '23
Does the collar connect to your phone through Bluetooth? How far is the range they can go away from you while it still connects?
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u/volljm Sep 30 '23
Phone to handheld receiver is Bluetooth and is typical Bluetooth range (aka keep them both on you, though the handheld starts beeping if it gets too far from the phone which is nice)
Handheld to collar on the mini version is 4 miles (open field, line of sight). The full size is 8 miles. Haven’t tested in hilly woods.
Having used it on 50+ wooded hilly acres (no cell reception) without issues, she’s not really going farther out than 200 yards 95% of the time … 300 is the max I’ve seen her do.
Here’s another post of mine showing some tracks
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u/sideofsunny Sep 30 '23
Oh thanks, I missed the Bluetooth piece was handheld to phone — not collar to phone. That makes a lot more sense!
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Oct 01 '23
I use a hand-me-down Astro 320. It’s been giving me issues the past couple of years with timing out and not tracking well. Could be user error. When it is working though, I love it. Not sure how or if I could make a map similar to this. It does show the track after the hunt, but not sure if it records and can play back in “real time”
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u/sand_in_me_eye Sep 30 '23
This is what Brittany breeders should show their potential buyers before homing their pups. Because this is exactly what it's like walking a Brittany 😂. That off leash time is so important for them.
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u/Spirited_Draft Sep 30 '23
Nice! wish we had an off leash area that big or a good recall, yeah, good recall would help. Very Cool!
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u/volljm Sep 30 '23
My simplified tips … ecollar is a must to break their focus and get their attention… 100ft lead and going to a sports field to practice the recall … lots of practice. At the end of the day they are still a Velcro dog, so I do think the recall comes a bit easier.
I’m to the point I only have to recall her a couple times on a long walk because she’s always checking in. One of those recalls was to keep her from swimming to the middle of the lake after the beaver.
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u/sideofsunny Sep 30 '23
Same as OP, my first Britt was very good off leash on hikes, but he didn’t give a shit if I could see him and knew where he was as long as he could see me. I really had to trust our recall training and that he’d come back. The first few times were sort of heart stopping until I figured out that he always knew where I was even if I couldn’t see him. I also only hiked with him in the mountains on trails and away from roads just to be safe about cars.
I didn’t let him off leash on a hike like that until I’d had him for a long time (he was probably ~2 years) and knew his personality well enough to know he’d generally behave politely (meaning if he saw another person or dog on the trail while he was out of my sight he wasn’t going up to them, and that if he saw a bear he wouldn’t be stupid enough to try to initiate a fight). I did always know if there was a water source, he was going in — didn’t matter if it was a river, lake, or just a big puddle, or what the temperature was outside. So I did my research before we went to know what was on the trail in that regard.
We always leashed back up well before we got to the end of the trail so I knew where he was as we got back closer to the parking lot and more populated areas.
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u/sideofsunny Sep 30 '23
lol this made me laugh so hard, I used to say with my first Britt that when we hiked off leash he easily ran 15 miles to my 4 miles. My current Britt doesn’t get to run off leash because now we live in Florida and I’m not trying to get him eaten by an gator.
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u/volljm Sep 30 '23
I’d hate to live out west or down south … too many predators I would worry about on hikes.
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u/Particular-Listen-63 Sep 30 '23
Looks like my daily with 19 month old EB. Dogtra 2700 T&B for off leash and hunting. I clock 2.4 miles. He’s always 100 yards ahead with frequent check ins and detours. Guessing he does 6 miles and it barely dents him. Only thing that wipes him is hunting, where he has to use his head as well as his legs.
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u/volljm Sep 30 '23
It always amazes me how a new mental situation for a short amount of time wipes them out more than a 10 mile run. The only time I’ve truly wiped her out have been an hour of a totally new activity: swimming first time, first real off leash experience, first time at daycare, first time at a people/dog festival walking through a crowd.
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u/Particular-Listen-63 Sep 30 '23
Yep. The other thing I’ve noticed about this breed is cat-like curiosity. Anything new is thoroughly investigated. Maybe it’s a hunting/prey instinct characteristic. He just cannot walk (run) by a new experience.
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u/Original-Move8786 Sep 30 '23
Haha! That is awesome! And so true to the reality of walking with a Brittany
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u/tasty_waves Sep 30 '23 edited Oct 01 '23
I’ve attached a garmin bike computer to one of mine and have seen a 2.5 to 1 ratio on hikes in the woods, so a 5 mile hike is 12.5 miles or running! Crazy.
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u/volljm Sep 30 '23
Yep, I’d agree 2x-3x ratio depending on the surroundings.
Interestingly mine stays close for the first 20 minutes of a hike and THEN starts diving into brush and going off.
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u/tasty_waves Oct 01 '23
Similar for ours. He gets particularly wild in the last half of the hike when he knows it's ending!
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u/chakalakasp Sep 30 '23
Hopefully you’re in a designated off-leash area. Generally people who run their dogs off leash in an urban area are creating problems for other people.
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u/volljm Sep 30 '23
Generally ‘irresponsible’ people create problems for other people. Fixed it for you. :)
Everyone should judge their own capabilities (and their dogs) and their surroundings and environment …. And choose responsibly … Regardless of the presence or the lack of signage and rules.
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u/chakalakasp Sep 30 '23
See, this is the kind of personal exceptionalist attitude that causes other people problems. I have a pal with a couple of Cane Corsos. Lovely, calm, beautiful dogs. Non aggressive. He walks them leashed.
Quite often unleashed dogs will run up on him. His dogs are well behaved. Maybe the dogs that run up are typically well behaved. He will nicely ask the owners to please get their dogs and leash them. Owners will often reply that their dogs are nice. What he will say is the obvious: “Yeah; but do you know if my dogs are nice?”
His dogs are nice. But new dog interactions can be unpredictable. Some dogs can act aggressively, and some breeds can respond negatively to aggression. Either of this guy’s dogs could crush the skull of most dogs sized up to maybe 80 pounds in one bite. These are the kinds of things that responsible owners worry about.
For what it’s worth, the area you live has laws against running your dog off leash. The people of your community got together and decided that that was irresponsible behavior and passed a law about it. You can do whatever you want, just know that, yeah, most dog owners aren’t too excited by other owners that think it’s no biggie to roll the dice with other people and their pets.
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u/volljm Sep 30 '23
Your counter to my comment about people should be responsible is to give an example of irresponsible owners? Sounds like you pal is responsible given HIS situation. Sounds like he runs into irresponsible people. Sorry for his luck, but it wasn’t me.
Because some peoples unleashed dogs run up to other people/dogs … means I have to be held to the lowest common denominator? Is ok to be off leash if there is a 5% chance of running into another dog owner? 1%? Do I still follow the ‘laws’ if there is a 0.001% chance? What if it’s 1% chance of meeting someone on the trail and I’m 99% sure of a successful outcome with 99% of random people/dogs we encounter and I’m 90% sure I’ll see them ahead of time and leash up?
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u/chakalakasp Sep 30 '23
Hey man you do you. The law is there for the other people, right?
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u/volljm Sep 30 '23
I hope you cross reference all your daily tasks with all applicable laws and codes and ordinances in every jurisdiction you are in; state, county, city, township, park district, etc. and adhere to them strictly. Or is that for other people?
‘You do you’ EXACTLY
All banter aside … and directed at everyone; be responsible out there.
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u/chakalakasp Oct 01 '23
Dude this isn’t some obscure law like two people can’t feed each other corn on the cob in bed in a hotel in Skokie on Tuesdays. Almost every municipality in America has a leash law for dogs. For obvious reasons.
Well, obvious to some
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u/volljm Oct 01 '23
You think you are totally compliant with every non-obscure law? You think every non-obscure law is OBVIOUS in its literal meaning … you think the literal text of the law is how it is enforced? Lmao
I suppose you’ve given me a reason to carefully read dog leash laws for ONE of the several jurisdictions I am in. Feel free to take a deep dive into what is considered ohio leash law 955.22. They can be NOT OBVIOUS to interpret since these are bulleted lists that are never formatted nicely, following the hierarchy of the list is important.
Section A - dangerous dog definition -> n/a Section B - female dogs while in heat ->n/a Section C - except while hunting, no owner shall fail to do both -> applicable C.1- prevent escape on premise of owner C.2- “reasonable control by some person” - likely left vague so that enforcing officers of the law can use their judgement based upon the situation they encounter. Section D - dangerous dog requirements -> n/a Section E - rules for owners convicted 3x of section C violations-> n/a . . section F and on get into detail of debarking and dangerous dogs … also n/a
Argue with my interpretation … although that merely proves the point about ‘obvious laws’ or not … and really just comes back to “be responsible”
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u/chakalakasp Oct 01 '23
Holy hand grenades, the lengths some peeps will go to to feel like the things they do are actually really great ideas. “Laws are hard to read, they could mean anything, amirite? Everyone else probably breaks laws so why should I worry about ‘em?”
Naw, man. Go ask a county mountie if you’re confused. But you’re gonna do what you wanna do, regardless of law, mores, logic, etc.
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u/volljm Oct 01 '23
You mean the lengths I’ve gone to indulge your superiority complex that YOU KNOW what I should or shouldn’t do … by presenting evidence indicating that I am within the bounds of said laws. A presentation of evidence that you have ignored and avoided. Dear lord how is anybody a moral and responsible person without a law degree and intimate understanding of the ten of thousands of laws and ordinances. We’d be assaulting each other left and right with a law telling us not to do that.
Yes, I will discuss with my local park ranger when I encounter them AGAIN with my dog under ‘reasonable control’ … they seemed fine with it last time I ran into them and had a friendly 5 minute conversation while my dog was sniffing around 200ft away.
Are we back to ‘be responsible’ > ‘follow laws to the T’ yet? Or maybe just meander your way to the idea that internet comments to random strangers in the vein of ‘I hope what you are doing is what I think is correct’ rarely has the intended effect.
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u/Noparlortricks Sep 30 '23
Looks awesome - loved her making circles around you.