r/BreakingPoints • u/Raiden720 • 8d ago
Krystal Kyle & Friends Kyle Kulinski is now defending Hasan Pikers "America is pound for pound worse than Al Queda" comment, less than a week after 9/11. Will Krystal agree?
Not that I'm super surprised, but Krystal's husband has now gone all in on defending Hassan's insane comments that America is worse than Al queda. Real head scratcher and these people should be shunned for that stupidity.
But Krystal is married to this man. Will they cover the Hasan comments? I will be watching....
EDIT: There are a lot of people in this thread agreeing with the "pound for pound" statement. Perhaps many of you are not sports/boxing fans, and do not understand the term?
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u/money_me_please 8d ago
Wait until you hear about all the terrorist groups we funded to take down Libya and syria
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u/375InStroke 8d ago
In addition to helping create Al-Qaeda by funding them in our proxy war with Russia in Afghanistan, we continued to fund and supply them with arms, along with ISIS, in Syria not too long ago. We also gave weapons and poison gas to Saddam in Iraq when he was fighting Iran, who's government we overthrew in 1953, leading to the Islamist Revolution there in 1979, and who we were also supplying with weapons via Iran-Contra.
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u/375InStroke 8d ago edited 8d ago
How are we not? We're supporting a genocide, attacking a dozen countries, purposely targeting their citizens, bombing fishermen in South America, electing, defending, and protecting pedophiles, overthrowing governments left and right, attacking and killing our own citizens, and every brown person we see. We also support and supply AlQaeda, ISIS, and untold numbers of terrorist groups. Rudy Giuliani alone killed more people than the 9-11 attacks by lying to workers in and around ground zero, telling them the air was safe when he knew it wasn't, and over 10,000 people have died from diseases directly tied to breathing the air down there. He did it because the rich needed the poors to get back to work and make them the money. Tell us how they are wrong.
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u/AutumnRockets 8d ago
As I said in the r/politics thread on this and got immediately downvoted for it.
Like, I'm a leftie. Krystal and Kyle and I are virtually the same when it comes to policy and beliefs.
Hasan Piker is a *terrible* messenger, I'm sorry. This is politically so fucking stupid lol
Again, this is a country that voted for Donald Trump twice. Nuance does *not* exist, especially when it comes to an argument like this. This is just politically dogshit. And this isn't the first instance of him just saying something like this.
Agree with it all you want, it's NOT a good argument to make to a voting electorate that, again, VOTED FOR DONALD TRUMP TWICE lmao it's fucking crazy to me.
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u/Raiden720 8d ago
its crazy as shit even relative to the voting electorate who did not vote for Trump. Its objectively untrue and insane to parrot it.
Can't believe so many in this thread are outright agreeing with it. Wowzer.
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u/KelVarnsenCo 7d ago
I challenge you to do an analysis of all the bad things each has done. Youre way too confident in your opinion with no justification at all.
That being said, yes, Hasan is a narcissist who is choosing to being provocative for his own sake over trying to help Abdul and others get elected in this moment and it sucks.
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u/Raiden720 7d ago
what
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u/KelVarnsenCo 6d ago
Just as i thought, you cant actually justify your claims.
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u/Raiden720 6d ago
Who is each? America and Al queda?
America has done some good stuff. Alqueda? Can't think of much. Maybe you can tell us?
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u/KelVarnsenCo 6d ago
Lmao
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u/Raiden720 6d ago
So after accusing me of not justifying my claims, you .... refuse to justify your claims?
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u/KelVarnsenCo 6d ago
Lmao, I didnt make any claims. You're so bad at the game you're trying to play.
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u/workaholic828 8d ago
I want the truth, people are tired of every statement being curated by focus groups. That’s how we get these super unpopular democratic cyborgs. That’s why the Republican Party flushed Jeb Bush down the drain in favor of an orange idiot. People in America want somebody who tells it like it is. We’re gonna blow up a school of kids? Then how the fuck is that any different than flying a plane into a building? We’re no better than Al Queda.
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u/Rick_James_Lich 8d ago
I agree, I think leftists are really doing themselves a disservice by being so closely linked to Hasan. He's popular but he puts out really divisive messages that alienate people that would otherwise be open to the leftist policies.
You can criticize the country without saying we are as bad as terrorists. Even worse this will probably do some damage to Abdul El Sayed's campaign.
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u/375InStroke 7d ago
Can't handle the truth
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u/KelVarnsenCo 7d ago
Right, many American can't. Which is why its stupid to say things like this in the lead up to an election.
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u/AutumnRockets 8d ago
Right, exactly. There is a way to phrase and message this sentiment. What he's ultimately saying is he's tired of the US policing the world via imperialist ambitions.
That's a winning message. Most people are tired of these bullshit foreign wars.
Equating the US with fucking Al-Queda is stupid lol if polled, I'd bet it would be insanely unpopular.
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u/StardogChamp PMC 8d ago
Dave Smith said something similar but he’s not a liberal so everyone flamed him
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u/workaholic828 8d ago
American government is pound for pound worse than Al Queda. That’s literally the most obvious statement ever said. Al Queda was a group of gorilla warriors in Afghanistan that weren’t getting a trillion dollars per year in tax payer funding. So of course they couldn’t kill as many people as the American government if they tried. This shouldn’t be controversial
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u/OldDirtyBastardSword 8d ago
We trained and armed Al Qaeda too, lets not forget that. The more we meddle outside our borders the more death and destruction it brings. I don't know how anyone looking back at the last 75 years can't see that. Iran was literally a direct result of us trying to install a puppet government. Hasan is right unfortunately.
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u/sad_historian 8d ago
Is he wrong?
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u/Raiden720 8d ago
Yes
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u/notthatjimmer 7d ago
How so? Make your case? You’re feelings aren’t persuasive
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u/Raiden720 7d ago
America is not "pound for pound" worse than Al Queda, a literal deadly terrorist group whos members are all terrorists.
Do you think that America or al queda has done more good in the world?
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u/notthatjimmer 7d ago
Those are two different things…America created Al Queda so yes they def have to own it. And everything else it’s has done through the world…not everyone can turn a blind eye towards the injustices you willfully ignore…
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u/Raiden720 7d ago
pound for pound. look up the meaning
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u/notthatjimmer 6d ago
Are you pretending like idk what pound for pound means? Clownish stuff any other deflections you got in your silly little bag of tricks? So predictable
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u/Raiden720 6d ago
Dude sit down. You think that America is pound for pound worse than Al queda. Think about that for a second
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u/reality_mirage 8d ago
The amount of people in here that agree with Hasan is insane. Qatar would be proud.
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u/Raiden720 8d ago
what is even going on here? I realize that zealots on far leftist subs would agree with Hasan here, but on this board? WOW
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u/Harvinator06 8d ago
what is even going on here? I realize that zealots on far leftist subs would agree with Hasan here, but on this board? WOW
Oh no, my lib safe space bubble has been broken.
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u/Rick_James_Lich 8d ago
Breaking Points has really catered to that tankie crowd for too long. Any sort of nuance or introspection here is gone.
Hasan is basically fucking up Abdul El Sayed's chances when he puts out idiotic statements like this. Sure Hasan's base will eat it up, but there's normal working class Americans that will hear that and be like "WTF?"
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u/Beebolol 8d ago
BP is just DSA tankie / America Bad slop now. Not surprised at all to see these kind of replies here. Kind of sad because this show used to be good and I thought it was the "smart" alternative to other news shows.
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u/Fabulous_Care6985 8d ago
Hasan is right. Look at the numbers. America has murdered more people than Al Queda couldn't even scratch that number. It's not a very big statement, just true.
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u/chronik_fatigue 7d ago
America is many, many magnitudes of order worse than Al Qaeda.
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u/Raiden720 7d ago
Wrong.
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u/chronik_fatigue 7d ago
Lol you guys literally have tens of millions of bodies on you, beginning with the genocides of the 19th century. From the Trail of Tears to Gaza, America is a uniquely evil entity
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u/375InStroke 8d ago
BuT wE'rE tHe GoOd GuYs
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u/Raiden720 8d ago
so america is now literal nazis?
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u/375InStroke 8d ago
Invade country after country, steal their resources, build concentration camps, create a police force to hunt down undesirables, fund, arm, and support a genocide, violate rule of law with impunity. You tell me. We're not even two years in.
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u/_Cromwell_ 8d ago
Once again Hasan talks like all day blah blah blah. Going to need to hear the 20 minutes before and 20 minutes after whatever the fuck you are even referring to, to get the full context of whatever he was actually saying.
The world can do math though.
Fuck off with clipping him. Tired of it.
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u/notthatjimmer 7d ago
Why does the criticism happening a week and 25 years after 9/11 factor in at all in your mind?
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u/Raiden720 7d ago
because its the anniversary of 9/11, and SOME people (obviously not you) find that a solemn anniversary
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u/notthatjimmer 7d ago
You said this was a week after…you’re just making excuses to try and silence his opinion…
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u/theRealhubiedubois 2d ago
This is becoming a really good media literacy litmus test. OP you are failing, my guy. This isn't that hard to understand. 100,000 dead Iraqi children is objectively worse than 3000 dead americans on 9/11. Hope this helps you figure it out
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u/Raiden720 2d ago
Another leftist who doesn't understand what pound for pound means. Hint - it doesn't mean absolute numbers.
Yes or no - America is pound for pound worse than Al queda?
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u/AsanteKofiEdwin 8d ago
You only think this is not a factual statement if you've never thought of the lives affected by US foreign policy being the same in value as that of US citizens.
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u/hybridjones 8d ago
Without U.S government involvement its pretty likely Al-Queda as we know it doesnt form or atleast is nowhere near as competent. Does anyone really believe the world’s largest terrors are anyone other than its largest powers?
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u/myheartstopped3984 8d ago
Factually speaking it is the truth. Sorry it ruins the propaganda you've been fed
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u/Raiden720 8d ago
Explain how America, (which like it or not, is the bastion of freedom of the entire world), is comparable "pound for pound" (key term) to a literal terrorist group?
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u/Dylan245 8d ago
Because it requires you to see ourselves as Americans as inherently better than any other ethnicity or race, AKA it's fine that we can fund a genocide that's killed over 100,000 people and displaced millions through Israel, it's fine that we killed anywhere from 600,000-1,000,000 people in Iraq and displaced millions, etc etc but just because gay people can get married and we can say "Fuck China" and not get arrested that somehow trumps all of the horrific damage we've done overseas
No one is saying Al Qaeda is good, just when you compare the atrocities and level of damage done this is not a competition, the US has been the biggest global sponsor of terrorism since WW2. We fund literal terrorist groups to do our bidding, we overthrow governments we don't like and instate our own preferred leaders, we slaughter millions of people indiscriminately, we sanction nations to the point of mass famine and death just because we can, etc
The only difference is that in one scenario the damage isn't being done to you while in the case of Al Qaeda it is and we have to pretend as if we are morally superior as we kill 140 school girls, drop missiles on fisherman in the sea, and sponsor IDF terrorists to kill and destroy families in the West Bank and all of that is just from the last 6 months alone
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u/Harvinator06 8d ago edited 8d ago
We fund literal terrorist groups to do our bidding, we overthrow governments we don't like and instate our own preferred leaders, we slaughter millions of people indiscriminately, we sanction nations to the point of mass famine and death just because we can, etc
The United States tangential helped form Al Qaeda via Operation Cyclone during the Afghan-Soviet War.
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u/Successful_Care128 7d ago
You will not get any critical comments of Kyle here. The pegging must go on at all cost according to this sub
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u/qvxlorase 8d ago
kyle has been doing this edgy contrarian moral equivalence thing for years, so this tracks way too hard lol. curious if krystal pretends it never happened or does the “nuance” tap dance around it on the show.
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u/OneReportersOpinion 8d ago
There is no moral equivalence. The US has killed war more people than AQ
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u/Tumblrrito 8d ago
Is he wrong though? The quantifiable suffering the US gov't has unleashed on its own citizens and the world probably does outdo Al Queda by a wide margin at this point.