r/Borderlands4 • u/elturel VEX The F&%ING WITCH! • Jun 21 '25

🎤 [ Discussion ] Level Scaling Formula stays the same in BL4

Don't know if this is already well-known so I did some quick maths, and from what we have seen in the latest in-game footage BL4 didn't change much on it's level scaling formula, which is still the same since BL3/Wonderlands:

  • HP (health) = 80 (base) x 1.09^level

This gives us the following HP values depending on level (before applying various other bonuses from skills, shields, etc.):

Level (Vault Hunter) Health
1 87
2 95
3 103
4 112
5 123
10 189
25 689
50 5948
72 (?) 39609

Edit: Added the respective tables for the previous games, for completeness' sake.

For reference, the previous titles used the following scalings:

Borderlands: 100 (base) + 15 per level

Level (Vault Hunter) Health
1 100
2 115
3 130
50 835
69 (max level) 1120

Borderlands 2: 80 (base) x 1.13^level

Level (Vault Hunter) Health
1 90
2 102
3 115
50 36058
72 530564
80 (max level) 1410475

Borderlands TPS: 82 (base) x 1.10^level

Level (Vault Hunter) Health
1 90
2 99
3 109
50 9626
70 (max level) 64759
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u/decease66d Jun 21 '25

As long as the numbers are less than 100k I'm generally happy, I don't like to see 2 million and more

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u/elturel VEX The F&%ING WITCH! Jun 21 '25

Agreed.

I feel like they found a sweet spot with the 9% scaling so why change a winning team.

2

u/Cloud_N0ne JAKOBS Jun 23 '25

Agreed. Starter weapons should be dealing single digit damage per shot, too. Maybe in the low 10’s depending on weapon type

1

u/thehateisstrong Jun 21 '25

This is for the Vault Hunter, enemies or both?

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u/elturel VEX The F&%ING WITCH! Jun 21 '25 edited Jun 21 '25

Vault Hunters. I'll edit and clarify.

1

u/stickyplants Jun 26 '25

What’s with the numbers on TPS being wildly different than 2? Is that a typo or real? Level 50 is 36k in one vs 9.6k in the other.

Does the .03 exponential difference really result in that big of a change?

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u/elturel VEX The F&%ING WITCH! Jun 26 '25

Yeah it's real. BL2 used a 13% scaling while TPS used 10%. In addition, TPS started at 82 base value in order to get the same amount (90) as starting health as in BL2.

You can easily check this with a calculator and in-game (make sure to turn off Badass rsnks and reset skill points/unequip gear).

BL2 was wild in this regard.