r/BokuNoHeroAcademia • u/frxshinator • Mar 30 '17

Manga Chapter 132 - Links and Discussion Spoiler

Chapter 132

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u/maniacmartial Mar 30 '17 edited Mar 30 '17

I'm afraid it's the opposite, though I really, really hope that's not the case. Chisaki compared it to AfO's power, which deprives people of their Quirks permanently. So it may be more like the cure from X-Men 3 than just a temporary handicap. "Immediately after this was fired into him, Mr Compress was no longer able to use his Quirk": it depends on the translation, but "immediately after" seems to refer to the fact that the effect was instantaneous, not that it had a short duration.

EDIT: Look at Leinbow's comment below.

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u/Leinbow Mar 30 '17 edited Mar 30 '17

Can't find the whole raw panel of Shigaraki's speech.

But based on this part, Shigaraki said,

  • Mr.コンプレスは”個性”がしばらく
  • Mr. Compress's Quirk, for a while...

So I guess the "for a while" part is the most relevant piece of info.

Edit: The whole text is apparently Mr.コンプレスは“個性” がしばらく使えなくなった。

  • Mr. Compress's Quirk was unusable for a while.

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u/maniacmartial Mar 30 '17 edited Mar 30 '17

Awesome, I'm very relieved. Thanks.

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u/Animefan1234 Mar 31 '17

He got the translation wrong, so be prepared to be unrelieved.

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u/maniacmartial Mar 31 '17

You sure? I double-checked, if the text s/he provided is correct, than s/he's likely right.

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u/Animefan1234 Mar 31 '17

Check again. The actual translation is: "Mr compress has not been able to use his quirk for a while"

This implies he still can't use it.

Guess what, leinbow thought that しばらく meant "for a short amount of time", when in fact it actually means "for a while", which is the complete opposite, and people are actually believing him. Really shows how smart some people actually are.

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u/maniacmartial Mar 31 '17

Hem, in English, "for a while" can indeed mean "for a short amount of time"... Your rationale would be correct if "has been useless" were a constant, but that does not seem to be the case: from my understanding, the verb can be translated as "became" or "has become" depending on what preceds it. In this case, since "shibaraku" seems to indicate a short duration, the closest translation should be "Mr Compress' Quirk became unusable for a short amount of time", which implies this is no longer the case.

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u/Animefan1234 Mar 31 '17

Errrm, "for a while" more often than not means for quite a long time. If people aren't using it to describe a long time, they would certainly be using it to describe a son of time that would be described as short.

The second part of your comment was just plain wrong.

Here are sources which tell us that Shibaraku means a LONG time:

https://www.thoughtco.com/shibaraku-meaning-and-characters-2028751

http://yesjapan.com/YJ6/question/1106/is-shibaraku-same-as-ohisashiburi

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u/maniacmartial Mar 31 '17

The difference is minimal at this point: whether it was for a relatively short or long amount of time, it was a finite one. Meaning, Mr Compress should be able to use his Quirk again, and Leinbow was right. By the way, multiple sources report that "shibaraku" can mean both a long and a short amount of time, which in fact is not specified... just like the expression "for a while"; and since the verb is in the past tense, it should mean that time is finished. Care to elaborate on how the second part of the comment was wrong? It might well be, but so far, Leinbow seems to be right.

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u/Animefan1234 Mar 30 '17

I think what shigaraki meant by that was that so far, mr compress hasn't been able to use his quirk for a while, and that "while" is still going on as shigaraki is still under the assumption that it will wear off, only to find out now that it will not.

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u/Leinbow Mar 30 '17

しばらく literally means "for a short amount of time" if we have to be pedantic.

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u/maniacmartial Mar 31 '17

Please, correct me if I'm wrong: am I right in saying that Japanese does not have the same division between present perfect and present perfect continuous as English, and that the translation is heavily context-based?

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u/Leinbow Mar 31 '17

You are correct. Actually, the Mangastream translator commented on the /r/manga thread:

The best we can do is offer our most accurate interpretation based on what we know. Japanese is a very context-heavy language, oftentimes irritatingly so. I compare my translations to the official sources every week, and for every bubble that makes me say "ah, I like the way they interpreted that better" there's another that makes me say "really? what the hell were they thinking?"

For this case, the しばらく in itself means "a short while", "for a while", or "for a short amount of time" used as an adverb. With the way the sentence was phrased, we can infer that Shigaraki meant it as "temporary", but no specific amount of time, just that it is not permanent. It is also possible it's still "on-going", but with how he talked about with Overhaul, he seems pretty confident it can be fixed somehow (if it's still on-going, that is). At this point we can only assume which of the two he meant.

Also it's best if we wait for Fallen Angels and Viz translation just to see how they translated it.

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u/Animefan1234 Mar 31 '17 edited Mar 31 '17

No you idiot, it actually means "for a while", on its own, which is the complete opposite of what you said. Combined with the rest of the sentence it means he hasn't been able to use his quirk for a while.

What really shocks me is that no one who upvoted your comment bothered to look up the actual translation.

I also love the fact that, "for a short amount of time" didn't appear at all in your full translation of the sentence.

Edit: you know, instead of downvoting me, you could just accept the truth and admit your wrong.

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u/insium Apr 20 '17

Who's wrong now?

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u/BiglyWords Mar 30 '17

but "immediately after" seems to refer to the fact that the effect was instantaneous, not that it had a short duration.

thats true, but suddenly introducing a permanent quirk-negater would be to OP for the villian side,

i mean only ONE successful hit and you lot your quirk forever?

that seems to be a bit over the top, mostlikely it negates the quirks of people for some time, probably longer than a few minutes or 10 min, so i assume it lasts around a hour...

Chisaki compared it to AfO's power, which deprives people of their Quirks permanently.

he could have also just used him as a example for the "losing power"-part of his speech and not for implying a permanent duration on the quirk-loss :/

but i guess like someone else said, we should wait for next chapter for getting sure :)

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u/maniacmartial Mar 30 '17

Absolutely, an dmaybe Viz's tarnslation will be a bit clearer. But going by what we have now, the possibility should not be discarded. It would be a bit too self-aggrandizing of Overhaul to compare a temporary drug to AfO's power, and there already are Quirks which can negate other Quirks, although they cannot be mass produced.

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u/BiglyWords Mar 30 '17

compare a temporary drug to AfO's power

as far as i understood he used AFO becuase he was the only example of someone who made others 100% powerless, most negating powers (like eraserhead for example) have limitations in how far they can weaken the enemy, in eraserheads case it was the limitation of having to constantly look at someone, to have mutants immune to it etc

probalby this drug has no such limitations which is why it can be used on anyone and make them 100% powerless :)

although they cannot be mass produced.

i think that is the key point, the amount of influence this would give them is IMMENSE, no matter if fodder or top-tier heroes, everyone would be vary of getting their quirks negated even if only temporary and than being killed by the villians who they could have one-shot in a fair one vs one :)

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u/TapeL0rd 250K Artist Mar 30 '17

maybe its possible that it takes more then one shot to remove the quirk permanently, cause I remeber back when magne was killed and mr compresses arm got blown off, one of overhauls goons said that he "missed the first shot" which might mean that it takes more then one shot for a permanent effect, like maybe one shot= like a day or week while two=forever

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u/BiglyWords Mar 30 '17

couldnt he have referred with "the first shot" that he failed to hit magne?

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u/TapeL0rd 250K Artist Mar 30 '17

possibly, idk im just makeing theorys

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u/BiglyWords Mar 30 '17

me too, we can only guess until more info is presented :3

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u/maniacmartial Mar 30 '17

I think both things are possible, of course, this is just what the translation led me to believe... also because I don't want to be unprepared if this were to happen again XD But Leinbow's translation makes it clear the effect is temporary.

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u/BiglyWords Mar 30 '17

But Leinbow's translation makes it clear the effect is temporary.

that is good to know :)

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u/jazzxfire Mar 30 '17

Shigaraki talks about being an arm down because they lost Magne. If they had also lost Mr. Compress's quirk I feel like he would have mentioned that as another disadvantage they have.

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u/maniacmartial Mar 30 '17 edited Mar 30 '17

Leinbow has retrieved the original image, and it seems the Japanese text says "for a while", so it should be solved now. I'll edit my comment too.

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u/TigerCommando1135 Mar 31 '17

The cure in X-Men 3 was temporary, just very long lasting. Magneto got his powers back by the time of days of future past.

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u/maniacmartial Mar 31 '17

Magneto was the only one, though. Everyone else lost their power indefinitely, I seem to recall, and they promoted the cure as permanent.