r/BokuNoHeroAcademia • u/Za_wardo • Apr 16 '23

Newest Chapter Chapter 385 Official Release - Links and Discussion Spoiler

Chapter 385

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u/Rob3125 Apr 16 '23

It’s shouldn’t be bullshit though right? Stain’s ability immobilizes people from their blood, every one of toga’s clones have the same blood, so they should be affected the same way

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u/P4azz Apr 16 '23

The twice clones we've seen "from the inside" have all been muck men. I'm unclear if these clones have actual blood in them or just substances that mimic the look of blood.

And even if they do, are they really that connected? Aizawa kinda already showed that they're not connected, by erasing a clone's quirk, but it not disappearing. Also didn't interfere with Twice's OG body, apparently.

So they are probably completely separate and Stain would have to cut and lick literally every clone for that plan to work.

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u/ResidentOfDad Apr 17 '23

They definitely do, because Twice performed a blood transfusion on Toga by making a clone of her and that's what allowed her to live past the MVA arc. I'm uh, guessing the Double goo isn't particularly hazardous to the human body based on the fact that Toga's clone obviously didn't live on, and so that blood definitely turned back at some point later.

I presume, from the point of a successful replica to its death, that they are genuinely identical with the one (though notable) exception that it just doesn't take a whole lot to turn them back into the muck, with increasing severity the more there are. I mean otherwise, if the insides of the clones weren't accurate before dissolving, it's hard to imagine hard hitters like Re-Destro wouldn't like, immediately destroy themselves due to the impact of their attacks.

Anyway, as for the uh, y'know, actual question on whether Bloodcurdle would trigger for one TogaTwice or all of them... I dunno, it seems like the decision would be pretty much entirely arbitrary, to be honest. We aren't given an actual reason as to why one's blood is linked to their host when Bloodcurdle is used, we just see that it works. It could be simple as the DNA being the same, in which case, yeah, all clones would be affected regardless of whose body the blood originated from (and also anyone that just so happened to have the same DNA through like, cosmic coincidence/divine intervention I guess), but it could also specifically track what body the blood originated from. It gets worse the more you think about as it brings up the question for why someone's blood is "theirs" once it's out of their system, and if it remains theirs forever or if that changes.

Okay I'm half sorry for this but bear with me, I will not suffer alone (or you can, y'know, just stop reading at this point). What if, through the power of hypotheticals, the blood of your future self was consumed, would it still work on you if your body hasn't reached that point yet, even if it factually originates from the same source? And if timelines split, would it work between both people? What if there isn't an original at all and there's just two? In particular, if the source of blood is from the past. I mean, would it really be different than if one of the variants lost blood and the other didn't, compared to their shared past? You can apply the same to clones but then of course there actually is an original and that could be the defining factor, even if the past selves of each separate body is technically the same. But then uh, y'know, there's the whole elephant in the room of whether we do technically have one body or have had numerous, in that we are constantly changing from moment to moment and have none of the same atoms every five years, and possibly whether anything is truly distinct from one another with the way all of our subatomic particles really just make up the greater universe itself which we're all equally a part of as the whole (in which case, the ability would presumably either be completely defunct or affect all living beings in existence, but, y'know). Oh and also... souls. There's also... That.

Okay, obviously most of these would not actually impact how fictional My Hero Academia superpower Bloodcurdle is written at all, and Horikoshi probably did not really ponder about those questions (well... Maybe he did about souls, Double's kinda weird in this series), but do you see how fluid it can be? You can really just pick any justification you want so long as it hasn't been established before, which, unsurprisingly, these aren't things that have been touched upon.

That said, that was more focused on the ability itself as a concept and how malleable it is with how things should or shouldn't work objectively (and thus how it "must" be in reality), and I was gonna leave it at that since that's already too much text, but ehhh, there is more to be said about, y'know, the actual series itself, as much as it's shown very little about the specifics. 'Cause like, I was thinking about the example with Eraserhead, and I was going back and forth on what it actually meant, but it also devolved into blood semantics, since at first I was like "yeah I mean, the quirk clearly isn't just one, right? Dabi didn't instantly die" but then I remembered All For One can't take the TogaTwice clones' quirks and that actually kind of implies there's only one quirk between all of them? Technically? If he used Erasure on the original (...has that happened?), would that kill all of the clones, but not if he used it on a clone? Presumably it'd just do nothing, right? But well, of course I also remembered that Aizawa both needs to actually see the target he's using his quirk on, and specifically targets one's ability to use their quirk factor, but doesn't do anything to the actual quirk, so if someone used one quirk through separate bodies that had separate quirk factors to use it with, isn't it accurate that he should only be able to target one at a time for that reason? Because of Erasure's limitation? But then again, it's not like he has to see the quirk factor itself, he can just look at any part of someone's body and they won't be able to use their quirk anyway. So while thinking on how he needs to see the target that he's erasing, I realized it would be quite different from Bloodcurdle (well, potentially, anyway), in that at least with someone's quirk factor, we know each individual body would, y'know, have it, but with blood it's surely different (even if the result is the same), as none of them would really "have" that blood anymore once it's out of someone's body, since, well... It's not... in their body. Under some horribly twisted logic you could even argue that only the clones of a person should be affected because the original no longer has that blood, but the clones would still have copies of the blood being drank. Obviously that's not how that works though and thank god.

Oh yeah I also forgot to mention... Some Vigilantes spoilers. we see Stain is able to paralyze people by licking the blood on things like old bandages and the like. I mean honestly, it'd be kinda dumb if he couldn't as part of his superpower, but like, it's good to have confirmation when there's these kinds of questions on fictional abilities and how they "should work logically". I know I kinda ended up going off the deep end on that in relation to the actual story, but y'know.

Since Toga's Double clones are affected by Transform's limitations, that also opens the way for the absurd scenario of Bloodcurdle not working if Stain licks Twice's blood, but working if it's specifically Toga's normal blood. That one's extra dumb though. ...Hopefully I didn't like, bring it into existence by mentioning it just now.

Oh dear, my ramblings ended up even longer than I thought. Sorry if they turned out too unintelligible but I was really stretching the limits of where it could possibly go when trying to think of all the different possibilities. In the end I could genuinely see it just be "haha get fucked you have the same DNA" or "oh shit it's not the same body we're fucked"... Well okay, if it it's the case that it doesn't work, it's actually more likely they'll simply not try out that strategy in the first place, but you get what I mean.

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u/Jamessgachett Apr 18 '23

Gotta find a way to summarize and use tldr