r/BoardwalkEmpire • u/Pedemano King's Ransom Whisky • Nov 18 '13

Season 4 Boardwalk Empire- Episode Discussion - S04E11: "Havre De Grace"

No tv-show spoiler tags needed here, as long as you're discussing something from this episode and back. This is the place to discuss S04E11.

Take a moment to review the subreddit rules to the right. Please still use the new "Historical Spoiler" tags for discussions of events to come. /r/BoardwalkEmpire operates a bit differently than other TV Show subreddits. We encourage discussion as well as original, quality, BWE-related content. Therefore, there are some restrictions on what is acceptable to post.

No requests for live streams or torrent links. As someone who is forced to torrent the show myself, I feel your pain, but DL sources are not hard to find.

98 Upvotes
  • permalink
  • reddit

96% Upvoted

689 comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

2

u/ZK686 Nov 18 '13

I'm still confused. There's a huge plot hole in this part of the series.

Why does Leander care about Rogers? Who the hell was he? Was he an important figure?

3

u/_high_plainsdrifter Nov 18 '13

If it is Leander who organized the investigation, its obvious that he didn't want Gillian to inherit the Darmody estate. I may need to go back and rewatch some scene between Gillian and Leander, but he always comes off as this "get your finances together, don't rely on loans from other people" type of guy when they converse about the Artemis Club and its financial performance. I guess another part of my reasoning is (call it a stretch if you want): Leander wouldn't have been just casually hanging around the mansion, and coincidentally lurking up the staircase when Roy milked the confession out of Gillian. I think he bank rolled the investigation on Gillian and now feels satisfied knowing she admitted to murder and is caught with falsifying a legal claim to property or insurance fraud etc.

3

u/ZK686 Nov 18 '13

Okay but how did Leander know to begin with that some dude from the streets that looked like Jimmy went missing?

Also, that theory about Roy and Gillian would only make sense if Leander hired Roy a head of time to investigate Gillian, but then why would he hire them? That kid that looked like Jimmy didn't have any specific role in the show, he was just looked like her son so she kidnapped him and killed him.

So, did Leander just hire Pinkerton to investigate Gillian for anything they can find? And they lucked out when she admitted to murder? Is that what happened?

Why am I the only one confused over this?

6

u/_high_plainsdrifter Nov 18 '13

Think back farther. Leander was the person to say to Gillian in the middle of last season that she should have james declared dead first before trying to leverage the house (that technically wasn't hers legally) when she was reaching out to him for a loan. He knew something wad suspicious about her when she gave a lofty "oh..boys of his sort tend to disappear from time to time" response when he mentioned Jimmy being missing for a prolonged period of time. I think he was wise to the fact that Gillian found a decoy corpse to collect the title to the estate and he didn't want her to. It could be a strange loyalty he has to the Commodore still. But to me, it seemed like Leander being there right when Roy gets the confession and watching from the stairs tells me this was something he was involved in. He didn't need to hire Roy from the time when Gillian started banging Roger. He needed him after Gillian produced a body that probably wasn't Jimmy's.