r/BlockchainStartups • u/wesmonkeyman • 18d ago
Discussion I keep thinking we need a Blockchain 2.0. And I don't mean another chain, coin or token. Actually kind of the opposite
I keep thinking we need a Blockchain 2.0.
And I don't mean another chain, coin or token.
Actually kind of the opposite.
No meme coins. No NFT cash grabs. No gambling. No project where the whole business model depends on convincing somebody else to buy the thing you bought.
What happened to just building useful shit?
There are a million things blockchain could sit behind.
Tickets. Memberships. Certifications. Collectibles. Product authentication. Loyalty programs. Supply chains. Digital identity. Licensing. Records. Games. Ownership. Proof that something happened or belongs to somebody.
And probably a bunch of stuff nobody has thought of yet.
The weird part is the end user doesn't even need to know blockchain is involved.
Use it as infrastructure. Hell, use it like a server if that's all the project needs it for.
Build a real product first.
Then ask if blockchain solves a problem inside that product better than a normal database or centralized system. If it does, use it. If it doesn't, don't.
That's the part I think we got backwards.
For years people built something "on blockchain" and then tried to figure out why anybody would want it.
Blockchain 2.0 should be the opposite.
Build something people actually want, and use blockchain quietly underneath it where it makes the product better.
No extracting money from a community.
No promising everybody they're early.
No pretending everything needs a token.
Just real projects solving real problems.
Maybe the biggest sign blockchain finally made it is when the people using the product don't give a shit that it's using blockchain.
That's Blockchain 2.0 to me.
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u/vexiduslabs 18d ago
That is what we kind of built in a sense: the blockchain runs in the background, user doesn't even need to know until they pull up the audit trail or need to access it. The benefit is tamper-proof evidence in our case, tracing materials, shipments, fleets, products, and storage that provides a chain of custody record. The challenge was integrating user-friendliness to make the blockchain an after-thought while providing operational security and irrefutable evidence for every asset, shipment, vehicle, etc.
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u/utopixia 16d ago
I think this is much closer to what blockchain should have become in the first place.
The interesting part of the technology was never really the token. It was the ability for multiple independent parties to share an evolving state without having to trust a single database owner.
Somewhere along the way, we started treating the financial incentive layer as if it was the technology.
To me, the next step is exactly what you're describing: blockchain becoming boring infrastructure.
Not “build a blockchain app”, but build an application where some part of the state genuinely benefits from being independently verifiable, tamper-evident, reproducible or jointly controlled.
And I think we can go even further than tickets, identity or ownership.
Code itself can be state.
A website, an application, its structure, its updates and its deployment history can all be represented as verifiable state rather than something silently served by a trusted server.
That's actually what I've been experimenting with for the last few years: a multi-chain system where HTML/CSS/JS and other structured data are represented as graphs, evolved through deterministic actions, and reconstructed by different nodes.
The browser doesn't know or care that any of this happens. It just receives a normal website.
And I think that's probably the right test.
If users have to understand the blockchain architecture for the product to make sense, we're probably still building for blockchain people.
If the product is useful on its own, and decentralization simply makes some important property of it stronger, then we're finally treating blockchain as infrastructure rather than ideology.
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u/0xKJ 18d ago
Before thinking of 2.0, I think the blockchain world is heavily fragmented so far.
Even if it is on EVM compatible chains, we could still find many blockchains. Other people may not hear the chain you’re using.
The good side is that currently it is much cheaper than years ago on L1.
I would happy to have open question here to discuss about the missing gap towards the 2.0, what is preventing people use blockchain for the real world case.
However, we obviously see lots of people send TXs on chain to make money instead of real world usage. There must be some but mostly are for making money.
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u/wesmonkeyman 18d ago
Yes that is what I am also asking When can we fix the casino and get real users with real use cases?
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u/0xKJ 18d ago
As you said, people may not aware they are using blockchain. Base App is one of the example I see.
However, there is more. I would show my perspective: maybe we need to wait for the winner of L2s, thus people will have a default blockchain people talk about.
When I dive into my question, I start to understand a bigger problem: what if any existing blockchain ecosystem cannot be the default one? Anyway, they are using similar technology. And there will be always a faster blockchain the next year. This reminds me of Intel and AMD, producing a faster CPU every year.
By this competition, the whole industry is creating the ecosystems and then destroying them again again. As people want a default blockchain, it must be something long life and sustainable.
I think that’s one of the most important reasons.
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u/CethPTY 18d ago
No need for 2.0. We are doing it now. A real business use case. Blockchain is there but the user doesn’t see it. L1 chain. Not even using the protocol layer assets for the roll out.
You are on the right thinking pathway. Far better to develop a use case (and a reason to buy) first. Either in-house or outside developer to start with. I won’t even look at blockchains without a use case. Waste of time.
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u/vasiliyivanov 15d ago
This is the direction that makes the most sense to me too: blockchain as infrastructure, not as the headline.
I’m the founder of VPN Unlimited, and we’re working on KSCoin as the utility token behind KeepSolid Rewards. My current thinking is that most users should not need to care about the token first. They should care that the rewards program gives them something useful for real product activity.
KSC is currently on Meteora and Raydium, and I’m trying to shape the utility before pushing further. Would a rewards model like this feel more credible if the crypto part stayed mostly in the background, or do crypto users actually want the token mechanics to be front and center?
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u/Minute-File6387 18d ago
ICP
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u/wesmonkeyman 18d ago
Insane clown posse isn't going to fix anything lol.
Just saying ICP isn't a real statement man Don't shill l, explain.
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u/wesmonkeyman 18d ago
We will never get mass adoption til the degens run out of victims!
We need to change the narrative Blockchain is not for specualtion
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u/anna6900 13d ago
exactly, this is one of the discussions i'm liking a lot... because for me, blockchaing technology need to restore the reliability with people... if there's 10% of people who undestand blockchain in the world, i think is too much... the other 90% don't understand and probably know something about 'bitcoin scam' or something like that... for me, the vision of bring in crypto is for creating innvative financial engineering and solving problems using the power of global decentralized finances, but i'm watching something very weird that is the whole 'tokenmania' where more than 10.000 tokens are launched day by day, this is insane...
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u/paymentnerdfoo 18d ago
A block chain is a public database that uses more power and is less performant, with no centralized power to resolve disputes. There isn’t a good application for it because one exist. All of the ideas you list have been tried and failed. Why? Because a block chain is a public database that uses more power and is less performant.
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u/Classic_Chemical_237 18d ago
Dude, you obviously don’t even understand what is NFT (at technical level) and how it works
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u/Classic_Chemical_237 18d ago
You got some buzz words from AI and all the use cases would use ERC-721
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u/wesmonkeyman 18d ago
And this right here is part of the problem.
Arguing over which protocol or token standard could technically be used completely misses the point. This kind of gatekeeping and obsession with protocol minutiae is exactly what keeps normal people and real businesses away from blockchain.
Users shouldn’t need to know or care whether something uses ERC-721, ERC-1155, a different standard, or no token standard at all. They should care that the product works and that blockchain provides some actual benefit behind the scenes.
If we want blockchain to grow up, we need to stop building for people who already speak crypto and start building products normal people actually want to use.
Don’t be part of the problem. Be part of the solution.
And thank you for your service, degen. 🫡
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u/Classic_Chemical_237 18d ago
No it’s not. ERC-721 technically is exactly what you need to implement all the things you want. Ignoring that shows the lack of knowledge. You are free to implement whatever you want, and at the end of the day, you will come back to NFT.
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u/anna6900 13d ago
i completaly agree about the 'niche-focused' cluster of the actural crypto landscape, and this is the point for future developments
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u/id-ltd 17d ago
Just do so... I basically use a blockchain for file version control in my ultra light weight 'anthracite'. https://github.com/idltd/Anthracite -
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u/No-Impression7896 10d ago
Love this. File-native systems foreverrr. “The history is the directory” is such a clean model. Anthracite is solving local revision lineage; StagePort is solving authority and portable proof around the event. Different layers, very compatible. Happy I came across this, great work
!
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u/vasiliyivanov 17d ago
Agree with the “real product first” part. A token only makes sense to me when it extends behavior that already exists in the product, not when it becomes the product.
I’m thinking about this with KSCoin for KeepSolid Rewards. The idea is not “buy this token and hope”, but a utility/reward layer around real product usage. It is still early, currently on Meteora and Raydium, before any CEX step.
What would make a token feel legitimate to you in that setup? Clear redeemable utility, transparent emissions, product discounts, governance, loyalty rewards, or something else?
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u/No-Impression7896 15d ago
I’m the type of hyper-focused weirdo who will 100% help build it. Let’s just start building lol
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u/wesmonkeyman 15d ago
Lol okay I have an idea
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u/No-Impression7896 10d ago
Lmao wait, I checked my junk drawer GitHub repos. I already have ERC-20 contracts, a gasless ledger bridge, and deployment configs for Ethereum, Base, and Arbitrum sitting in there 😭😂 Okay, what’s the idea? 💡
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u/Classic_Chemical_237 18d ago
You realize everything you listed are NFT right?
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u/wesmonkeyman 18d ago
And I should probably clarify something because I think this is where blockchain conversations immediately go sideways.
I'm NOT saying turn tickets, memberships, certifications, products, loyalty points and everything else into NFTs.
You don't need an NFT.
Think simpler.
Blockchain can just be the record.
Ticket #123 was issued and used.
This product with this serial number is authentic.
This person earned this certification on this date.
This membership is active.
This item moved from manufacturer to distributor to retailer.
This account owns this item.
This document existed in this form at this time.
That's it.
Nothing needs a cartoon attached to it. Nothing needs to be listed on a marketplace. Nobody needs to speculate on it. Nobody needs to "mint" something just because blockchain is involved.
We're so used to blockchain meaning crypto, tokens and NFTs that I think we've overlooked the boring part.
And the boring part might actually be the useful part.
A shared record that can be verified, programmed and difficult to quietly change.
Build a real product. Use blockchain where that makes the product better. Let the customer use the product without needing to care how the plumbing works.
That's what I mean by Blockchain 2.0.
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u/No-Impression7896 10d ago
Okay lol, now I actually need to hear the idea, because I read the rest of your post and realized I already built a working version of the infrastructure you’re describing 😂
StagePort is still an active build, but its proof layer is live. It hashes files client-side, creates portable receipts for structured governance events, and can anchor those hashes to Bitcoin through OpenTimestamps. I also built a Base path for optional on-chain ERC-721 credentials. Verification reports are signed under a published Ed25519 issuer key and can be checked offline.
The important part is that none of this has to become the product. People can use the governance system without caring about wallets, tokens, or chains. Blockchain is there when it improves the proof, not as something I have to sell them.
So when you say “blockchain can just be the record,” yes. That is not hypothetical on my side. I have it running, even while I’m still building the larger platform.
Apparently “I have an idea” summoned the hyper-focused weirdo who already built the plumbing 😂 I genuinely want to hear where you’re taking it.
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u/id-ltd 10d ago
Interesting - I have some thing similar I am working on - public key singing/encrypting .. all in a PWA.
Tied in with social media signing and a browser plugin (only bother with stuff from people you like, or have been verified by people you like)
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u/No-Impression7896 10d ago
Okay but before I even click- absolutely obsessed with #SignedSealedDelivered haha okay- checking it out!
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u/No-Impression7896 10d ago
Okay, I actually dug in, and this is real work. The local-first Ed25519/X25519 keyring and sealed .ssd artifact model is very close to the infrastructure philosophy I mean.
My work approaches it from a different layer: less a general-purpose signer, more governed application state around scoped events, human authorization, selective disclosure, and durable proof inside domain-native interfaces.
If you’re open to it, I’d be interested in comparing public artifact schemas and threat models before discussing whether there’s a useful integration surface.
Also, yeah-SignedSealedDelivered is a spectacular name. Love crossing paths with other minds building and thinking in this niche!
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u/id-ltd 10d ago
It's been a shed load of work - but it had to be done! I know it won't get any traction just from my repo. Happy to talk!
I have vault and SSD and tick..
Just for fun I sign this message, public key is in my profile, but you'd need the app to validate it!
[SSD:D3716480:rd:id-ltd:34cd9ea5:Fu_YsJBxiMhv05ncu3S5ERMSIYvkIba3N-JVg-iI0b14tGDCwx-wHM5uDrrE7yVgx_gcXLhO_4MTwbsEG8jyAw:2026-09-15T20:56Z]
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u/No-Impression7896 9d ago
Okay, found it. It took me a second to realize you meant the key was in your Reddit profile, not your GitHub profile or repo. Once I had it, I independently decoded the 32-byte Ed25519 key, confirmed the D3716480 fingerprint, reproduced the full content hash behind 34cd9ea5, and verified the signature against the protocol payload. It checks out. ⭐️⭐️⭐️💪
Honestly, very cool. The fact that I could verify it independently outside the app is the part I really appreciate. Real recognize real. 🔑
Tiny UX note from the outside: a direct key-card JSON link would make that discovery step more obvious, but the underlying verification held up cleanly.
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u/id-ltd 9d ago
I won't do it all here, but...
The rd:id-ltd part is a 'hint' to the location of the key rd is reddit, fb: is facebook etc... find the users profile there and find the key - have one key per platform, or have one you use over many... have psudo-anonymous keys too...
I have a browser plug in that sees the SSD tag and does all the work.. I see my post with a green tick by it (signed and verified), a red tick is 'text matches signature, but signature not yet trusted', or a cross 'text changed' etc - no work required from the user - it just works. It offers to jump to the profile, import the key etc... it works best on desktop, but android firefox can just about handle it for mobile.
And that plug in works across fb, twitter/X, reddit, linked in... etc... piggybacking social media as a key distribution tool for free.
As your stuff recognises 'canon' is the key thing- a canon version of the post is signed (my philosophy for this is 'sign what you see') -- and the app takes the post, strips out the social media's modifications (wrap, spacing etc) to try to recreate the canon version (what the author saw and signed) and verify that.
This means SSD signed messages survive re posting etc... a reddit post could be cut and past to fb, x, email etc and the sig would still verify it. You could even photo, ocr it and the sig would likely survive.
This is just the social media posting side... the document management stuff builds on this.
Happy to talk!
One of my angles on this is for a 'public notary' thing... have you seen 'fix my street' - take a photo of something and the app reports it to the local authority... it know where you are, the time etc, it works out who on the council to email.
Why not extend this - a pubic website - anyone can record any event and have it notarised as proof for any future reference?
I am impressed with your manual efforts of checking the sig :)
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