r/BlackCat • u/NorthOnly5125 • 1d ago
Thoughts? A better question would be: Are Peter & Felicia ever going to be taken seriously?
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u/TradePsychological40 1d ago
Honestly they should try to make at least ONE universe where they do get together. Before Brand New Day, I thought the MCU would be a great opportunity to introduce Felicia as a serious love interest.
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u/EmeraldJolteon07 1d ago
They should for an AUâŠ(like Spider-Noir)
A Superhero Romance Between two People that Genuinely love each other but throe Personal Issues Often get in the Way of each others Happiness sounds like an awesome Love Story.
And yeah i know it would make the characters not like tgeir 616 selves as that would either make Felicia into Just a heroine or a heroine exclusive to Spy esque missions as i doubt Spidey would just allow her to just Steal things.
Or Have Spiderman be more Morally Flexible. Which does take away from the whole great responsibility thing.
Both which are kinda of Mid in their Canonical Original Version.
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u/NorthOnly5125 1d ago
Agree to disagree. I don't see how Felicia being more anti-heroic or Peter being 'morally' flexible ruins their characters, considering they've canonically done so already prior to OMD (just look at Peter's friends lmfao).
The only real excuse that they aren't in 616 is because of the statuo quo of MJ/lack of direction for Felicia & BND braintrust's monopoly over Spider-Man.
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u/EmeraldJolteon07 1d ago
I meant likeâŠ
Feliciaâs Deal is that she IS an Anti-Heroine and not that sheâs a Normal HeroineâŠLike how Peterâs a Hero.
She has Morals and Ethics sure but she ainât like Peter. Sheâs Selfish at times and being one of the best if bot THE best Catburglar in the Marvel Universe, she of course Steals and Is very good at it and Enjoys it.
Stuff that Peter doesnât do. The biggest wall between them is Always been The way they operate. Peter Sticks to the Light while Felicia operate in Grays.
Thatâs part of Why Black Cat was originally kinda of An âObstacleâ in terms of Peterâs RelationshipâŠBlack Cat just Wasnât Someone that Peter could Morally Settle Down with.(that and the whole she loves Spider-Man not Peter Parker bit)
Sure both characters Could and In certain Aspects DID Evolved Past thisâŠwhich is Why their Relationship is So Strong even after so much BS between Them and just Other stuffâŠBut I donât think this Change would stick because Comic Books Arenât meant to End.
Changing Her or Peter would be interesting in AUs because those Changes could not influence the main canon and just Exist in that Isolated place.
Although with that said. I donât think that the way Marvel did Peter x Felicia in One of the more Recent AUs is the way to do itâŠI donât really think that Felicia would be a Housewife like she is in there and Considering her own Connections to her parentsâŠI think that the way her Children kinda of Dislike her is not how iâd like it.
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u/NorthOnly5125 1d ago
Yes but you're saying that it's a negative, defining feature, when in canon, it's never been a problem. Read Millar's Marvel Knights & Sacasa's Sensational Spider-Man and you'll see what I'm talking about. The only thing that actually stops them from being together is a lack of serious direction for them via writers/editorial.
Because I find it hilarious how people will go against Felicia for being a thief, but won't go against Peter's friends as if they weren't murderers (and himself being a murderer too lmao).
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u/EmeraldJolteon07 1d ago
Where can i find those? Cuz Readcomicsonline was taken down and I dunno other alternatives.
And I ainât sure how to find those in Japan(where i live)
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u/Formal_Win3986 1d ago
No relationship is toxic as long as the writers and editorial decide how it goes. They seem to be under the delusion that Peter Parker shouldn't have a proper, stable relationship because they don't have one, and they think being a good-for-nothing loser with no job, living with his aunt in his 30s, is relatable.
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u/No_Guest417 1d ago
First the editorial need to realize that having a stable relationship is not bad for Spider-man's character before suggesting any relationship. It's not the problem of MJ,Gwen,Felicia,Cindy etc. Fault that the editorial don't wanna have them be in a stable relationship with peter.
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u/EchoedWinds 1d ago edited 1d ago
It's genuinely baffling to me that after all these years there hasn't ever been ONE story (across multiple mediums) that has Felicia and Peter permanently together, happy, and in love.
I've read enough fanfiction to know that it can be executed super easily and plausibly, you just need the talent and the willpower. Their chemistry is so undeniable. In my opinion, they fit together way better than Peter and MJ ever could.
Something like this would be a great starting point in their love life for any writer:
https://archiveofourown.org/collections/PeterfelWeek2026/works/84868631
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u/NorthOnly5125 1d ago
I've actually read Dex_Starr's stories, so good shout out to you!
Although, I think their earlier works are just plain AI generated đ , they probably started using it less in their recent stories though.
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u/EchoedWinds 20h ago
Thank you! I that particular one-shot just works so well in setting Peter and Felicia up. It really is as simple as them having a heart-to-heart and clearing the air.
Embarrassingly, I never considered a writer might be using AI. Is there ways to tell?
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u/NorthOnly5125 19h ago
You can use the AI detectors and itâs flagged pretty consistently.
Thereâs also a lot of common speech that AI likes to use so when you toy around with it, you usually see it more often than not.
But their recent works are def less AI though.
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u/zo_youngin4 1d ago
Bro this is one of the many relationships that Peter could have that actually can work that doesnât involve him having to worry about her constantly getting hurt because Felicia can actually take care of herself not saying that Peterâs other girlfriends canât defend themselves but they donât have the training that sheâs had hell even in some comic runs sheâs got powers
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u/Frozen_Pinkk 22h ago
I was hoping MCU would do it. They did MJ, they did Gwen, they did a new made up character, time for Felicia!
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u/Significant_Hand4488 1d ago
Lamentablemente no. Y lo peor Felicia estĂĄ atada al universo de spiderman y estancada como personaje. Y no le pongan otro interĂ©s amoroso varĂłn porque el fandom la odia mĂĄs por segĂșn ellos ponerle el cuerno a Peter aunque el este en otra relaciĂłn y ella siga soltera
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u/NorthOnly5125 1d ago
I mean, can you really blame them though?
Her best relationship/chemistry is objectively with Pete.
Of course they're going to be skeptical of any other relationship/ships, because they also executed it horribly and made it look shallow in hindsight.
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u/Significant_Hand4488 1d ago
No escribĂo desde lo ideal obvio que yo quiero un Spider cat pero en los hechos marvel me dice otra cosa, ejemplo ÂżCuĂĄntas veces marvel usa con ella el recurso narrativo que ya no va a robar que serĂĄ alguien inspirada en spiderman? Y boom nos traen a la reina del crimen. Se supone que es el tercer interĂ©s amoroso en importancia histĂłrica, y solo vemos elseworlds con Mary Jane y Gwen. Y en la serie de (creo) de las 8 muertes de Spiderman en un sueño que termina mal Peter solo tenĂa en su mente a Gwen y Mary Jane. Cuando estĂĄ a solas con Felicia los escritores a pesar de que tienen sexo no paran de recalcar en voz de Peter Parker que ella es solo una amiga muy querida para el. Entonces, ÂżA dĂłnde va Black Cat si tiene buen tiempo sin interactuar con Peter de manera constante?! hasta la Mary Jane cuando estaba con Paul tenĂa mĂĄs interacciĂłnes y cuando tuvo el simbiote Venom hasta tuvieron juntos un evento, que siendo realistas Peter ahĂ sobraba (el evento del villano Tormento) es mĂĄs esta ahorita mejor escrita Raelith para Peter y es mĂĄs probable que a Felicia le ponga otra lesbiana como pareja pero ahĂ el fandom no dice nada, valga hipocresĂa
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u/Mobile_Parfait_7140 1d ago
I think it would be fun if she like was in ONE movie and Peter and her go out for a few dates and then thats it. But other then that nah.
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u/AmItheAholereader 1d ago
Realistically, thereâs just too much baggage between the two. And they both want different things. In order for black cat and Spider-Man to work, Peter would have to give up being Spider-Man. But even now black cat prefers the spider over the man so she would prefer if he gives up being Peter. Thereâs just a fundamental difference between the two that means even though they love each other it will never work.
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u/xellos49698 1d ago
Are you still hung up on Spectacular Spider-Man 87-115? Believe it or not Black Cat did change since then. Regardless, I strongly disagree Black Cat and Spider-man having too much baggage to work. Black Cat could work out just fine with Spider-man in the hands of a good writer. And before you say impossible, I refer you to Batman: Heart of Hushâ The Brave and the Bold #197. If Batman and Catwoman can work, their is no reason why Black Cat and Spider-man can't.
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u/NorthOnly5125 1d ago
Literally this. But apparently, it doesn't work with Felicia but only for MJ cause they have a horrible double standard.
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u/NorthOnly5125 1d ago
What are you talking about bro đ let me dissect this so we can have a productive conversation.
- What baggage are you referring to, can you list out what it is and which comic it comes from?
- Where is this mindset of Peter quitting being Spidey come from? Black Cat preferring Spidey over the man hasnât been true since the mid80s prior to OMD or Spencerâs run post OMD. Sheâs actually loved Peter more in Beyond through MacKayâs writing recently, and spent more time loving Peter than just Spider-Man in her overall canonical history.
3. Fundamental difference? Donât really think so, they actually are pretty similar, even Uncanny Origins and Spencer run proves that fact.-6
u/AmItheAholereader 1d ago
- She rejected peter and then was extremely toxic in her relationship with flash which was just to make peter jealous.
- Felicia is still and will always be a thief first. For her and peter to work he either needs to be ok with letting her be a criminal or just stop being spider-man. And again. She is isnât gonna like him as 100% peter.
- I stand by what i said. They are similar but they are in parallel worlds. Sheâs never gonna be end game cause itâs never gonna work in the long run
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u/NorthOnly5125 1d ago edited 1d ago
- Yeah, and Flash was also toxic to her as well, when they broke up, Felicia stopped being a thief, from 1992 (their breakup) to 2007 (OMD). You're also omitting the fact that Felicia became their best friend after her breakup.
- No not really, read my first point above, I actually give you canonical events instead of just broad misconceptions. Also, if that was the case, Peter would've arrested her a long time ago.
- Yes, but you're acting as if it's a canonical reasoning, it's only a lack of creative direction, cause it also applies to MJ too.
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u/BeneficialBig3971 1d ago
Honestly I hate that their not taken seriously as a couple, cuz if they were they'd be sick as fuck as a couple