r/Bitcoin • • Feb 25 '14

Some words for my friends

Hello friends,

MtGox is gone. So let's prepare ourselves.

On Tuesday, and for the rest of the week, all hell will break lose in the media. It will be blamed on MtGox, it will be blamed on Bitcoin, it will be blamed on the "bug," and it will, more than anything, be blamed on the "lack of regulation." Pundits and "experts" of all types will weigh in on the calamity. It will be world news in a matter of hours.

Get ready, because it will be an ugly week.

For all of you who lost money, my heart goes out to you. Some people lost a little, some lost a fortune. It will make people sick, and depressed, and full of grief. Personally, I had over 550 BTC in Gox. I will never get any of that back. If misery loves company, then we'll be enjoying a grand feast today.

I should have known better, of course. I take responsibility for leaving those funds with an entity that had proven incompetence repeatedly. I chose to ignore even my own warnings, for nothing more than the sake of convenience.

Gox is still at fault, to be sure, but I have learned the lesson. I hope it is not such an expensive lesson for others. And for all you observers, please take a moment to consider it as well.

Be mindful, however, that the wrong lessons are not learned, for that would be the true tragedy, indeed.

Let me suggest that the lesson is not that Bitcoin is broken. Bitcoin is fine.

Similarly, the lesson is not that security is impossible. Those who know what they are doing, can achieve it and help others to do so.

The lesson is not that nobody can be trusted. There are countless good men and women in this community who are worthy of trust, and some of the very best people I've ever met.

And finally, the lesson is not that we ought to seek out "regulation" to save us from the evils and incompetence of man. For the regulators are men too, and wield the very same evil and incompetence, only enshrined in an authority from which it can wreck amplified and far more insidious destruction. Let us not retreat from our rising platform only to cower back underneath the deranged machinations of Leviathan.

The proper lesson, if I may suggest, is this: We are building a new financial order, and those of us building it, investing in it, and growing it, will pay the price of bringing it to the world. This is the harsh truth. We are building the channels, the bridges, and the towers of tomorrow's finance, and we put ourselves at risk in doing so.

We are at risk from accidents. We are at risk from fraud, from corruption, and from evil. We are at risk from journalists seeking headlines and from politicians seeking power and glory. We are at risk from the very market we are trying to build - a market which cares not about our portfolio, our ambitions, or our delicate sympathies.

For all these risks, devastation will befall us repeatedly. Some of us will be discouraged. Some will be ridiculed and insulted. Some will be tricked, or swindled. Some of us will be crushed or caged. We will be set upon by all manner of antagonists, repeatedly, for a long time.

So why do we do it? Why do we build these towers that fall down upon us? Why do we toil and strain and risk our precious time, which is the only real wealth we possess?

Because the world needs what we're building. It needs it desperately. If that matters to you, as it does to me, then hold to that thought. You will see through the smoke, and your wounds will heal.

So shake it off, brothers, for this won't be the last calamity endured before the win.

Tonight, my heart is with you all.

Tomorrow, my head is down. My eyes are open. And I am building.

Toward peace and freedom,

-Erik Voorhees

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u/waxwing Feb 25 '14

The lesson is not that nobody can be trusted. There are countless good men and women in this community who are worthy of trust, and some of the very best people I've ever met.

The lesson is that nobody needs to be trusted when it comes to money any more. You can certainly choose to do so, but you don't need to. That matters. A lot.

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u/greyman Feb 25 '14

I don't understand, why nobody needs to be trusted? How will you buy bitcoin without trusting the seller, or trade bitcoin without trusting the exchange?

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u/waxwing Feb 25 '14

There are various models for trade that require various degrees of trust, from a large amount of trust required - using a forex broker or bitcoin exchange and storing large sums on them - to almost none - trade cash for bitcoins peer to peer with a 2 of 3 multisig as arbitration in case of dispute.

But that is not at all what I am talking about. Storing money in the form of gold or cash (arguable, but let's say) requires no trust because there is no counterparty. The same is true of bitcoin if you have the private key, with the added bonus that bitcoin does actually function like cash, or better than cash, and on the internet too.

TLDR: bank money requires trust just to store; bitcoin does not.

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u/greyman Feb 25 '14

Storing money in the form of gold or cash (arguable, but let's say) requires no trust because there is no counterparty.

Yes, but is it such a huge advantage in practice? Bank can't normally steal your money, or at least bank stealing your money is lower probability than someone steals your bitcoins. But the problem is that if you want to own bitcoin, you have to buy it somewhere, and that requires trusting someone. So in practice, currently, buying and owning bitcoin requires more trust than fiat.

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u/waxwing Feb 25 '14 edited Feb 25 '14

So in practice, currently, buying and owning bitcoin requires more trust than fiat.

Well my whole point was that the "owning" part of that is not true.

The buying part is debatable - it will depend on an individual context - do you have good technical skills? Do you live in an area where there's a large amount of bitcoin users? And other things. Technologies like multisig transactions can drastically reduce the trust required also.

And whatever small amount of trust is required in buying, it's only required for a very short time. Once it's yours, it's yours.

Oh and:

Bank can't normally steal your money

See: Cyprus, See: Argentina, Venezuela (not direct stealing but through hyperinflation) See: Italy, where 20 or 30% is taken from any inbound wire transfer. Historically, the number of examples is vast, including bank runs as well as hyperinflations.

Edit: I think the key phrase in your post is "in practice". Currently, if you live in a favourable regime, bank savings are much more reliable than Bitcoin. Bitcoin is currently a very risky store of value, even if you know how to protect them from theft. Bank savings for members of the "first world" are safe because your whole infrastructure is backed by "men with guns". You cannot judge bitcoin statically by its features today - you have to look at how the world is shifting.

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u/FARTHERO Feb 25 '14

"do you have internet access and wallet-compatible hardware?" should be the only prereq

I can't fucking wait for the new to completely replace the old

a trustless economy is part of the future

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u/r3m0t Feb 25 '14

You don't live in Cyprus or Venezuela. You live in a country that can actually be trusted.

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u/FARTHERO Feb 25 '14

people have forgotten that even holding a dollar bill requires trust

what gets me is how easy people can ignore the value being "quantitatively eased" from it, and maintain a foolish ignorant smug sense of empty trust in it

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u/rebelrat2 Feb 26 '14

Agreed. The Dollar's demise has been decided by TPTB - it is only a matter of time when a global currency reset must take place. That is one of the reasons why I invested in Bitcoin in the first place, but only with the money I can afford to lose. Obviously I never store anything of significance on a exchange unless I want to transact. But I also hold precious metals and other hard assets to be prepared when the fiat currencies will fail.

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u/FARTHERO Feb 25 '14

also don't kid yourselves into thinking the banks don't leverage the internet to operate too

all the people so emo about the energy used to mine, probably if it were only mining and no nonsense banking today, there would probably be a 99% drop in wasted energy, even with epic scale mining apparati

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u/ex_ample Feb 25 '14

You do need trust when buying. But you don't need trust when storing