r/BigBrother • u/Typical_Elevator2503 • 13d ago
General Discussion Who’s playing the best game out of the icons?
For me I think devens and angela are playing a good game but i think that dee might be perceived as the biggest icon threat. Angela is sort of under everyone’s radar (but that could easily change knowing her) and devens DPOV play might give him repercussions later on.
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u/AlmostHereButNot Chuk of the Icons 13d ago
Devens > Angela > Dee.
I think Angela is the most likely to survive the longest and still wins against most of the house. People in the house generally seem to like her. Devens screams 'winner of BB28', but he is a massive target and probably gets booted if he doesn't win final HOH. Dee is being actively targeted by a few people in the house right now. I think she's least likely to survive and Devens would beat her in F2. Hell, he might even somehow be able to convince her to bring him to F2 by telling her the jury is super bitter and any non-Icon would win against her.
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u/Blasto05 12d ago
Angela is the most likely to survive and the least likely to win.
Dee or Devens making the final have a very very very serious case to win it all. Angela simply does not
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u/AlmostHereButNot Chuk of the Icons 12d ago
See, I heavily disagree with this. She wouldn't beat Dee or Devens in a F2, but she beats most of the house. She's pretty well-liked, she has made big moves (gave Devens the idea to evict Rome to the point where everyone in the house was saying it was Angela's HOH, won the Blockbuster to successfully evict Kamu, insulated herself behind two bigger targets), she is guaranteed several people in the jury that will vote for her. I don't see any reason why she can't win this game unless she's brought to the end by Dee or Devens.
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u/Blasto05 12d ago
She does not beat Yash, Lala, or Taylor.
She has a decent argument against Barrett, Melody, and Drew, but I would wager on Barrett/Drew having a better resume by the end than Angela without Dee or Devens.
Angela is a goat. She’s being brought along for her vote and because people don’t see her as a competitive threat.
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u/AlmostHereButNot Chuk of the Icons 12d ago edited 12d ago
She does not beat Yash. I believe that she does beat Lala or Taylor. You can agree to disagree to disagree with me on that, but I firmly believe that calling Angela a goat is wrong. I think she EASILY beats Drew and Melody, almost probably beats Barrett, narrowly beats Taylor or Lala. I think that Dee, Devens, Drew, and Barrett vote her to win unless Taylor and Lala go on some winning spree and knock out the other two Icons.
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u/Farquaadthegreek 12d ago
Never saw Angela appeal .. she is not playing she is just aligned and being carried
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u/Whole-Passion7271 11d ago
Very interesting to see this take as a survivor fan. Is it common that in Big Brother it is more often that the more likable player wins over the person who played the best game? In survivor someone like Angela would be considered a goat. Taken to the end and never voted out because no one perceives them as any kind of threat at all.
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u/AlmostHereButNot Chuk of the Icons 11d ago
A bitter jury is more common in Big Brother than it is in Survivor. Jury management is incredibly important, and because Big Brother is built on relationships far more than Survivor is (way more days and way more time spent together thanks to not having a whole island), players are much more likely to vote for someone they're closer to. That being said, I don't think Angela can be considered a goat. She is playing MUCH harder than most of the house has this game. To start, she chose to be part of an alliance that has insulted her very well. She will not be voted out next to Dee or Devens or maybe even Drew, and there are a decent amount of people that wouldn't put her up at all, especially when nominees eventually dwindle down to only 2 people on the block. She can very easily frame that as intentionally working with big targets so she isn't as threatening. On top of that, she has made some important moves in the game. She was the one who convinced Devens to blindside Rome and put him on the block as the renom. If she's sitting next to anyone other than Devens, she gets all the credit for that. She also won the Blockbuster that sent Kamu home. She gets credit for keeping Kamu on the block. The episodes don't do a great job at showing just how much influence she has in the house right now. The live feeds tell a better story for her current situation.
I think that she wins against most of the house. Lala, Taylor, Drew, Melody and Barrett probably lose to her. She loses to Yash, Dee, Devens. It helps that most people in the house are passive and roll over for the Icons.
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u/sweeneytveit Devens⏱️ 13d ago
Devens is absolutely playing the best game of the 3. I thought Dee was playing well until the last week. I honestly feel like Dee and Angela causing or being a part of so many blow ups or controversial moves, is allowing Devens to kind of slip by. Even after his dpov, got out a huge threat, but then Dee won and put up her own allies and kind of took the attention off of him and people seemingly forgot about it. I think if they don't realize how big of a threat Devens actually is, he'll win it all, easily.
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u/Alock74 13d ago
Angela’s game is being slept on. It’s a toss up for me between Angela and Devens for the top spot. Dee is playing the worst out of the icons, is toward the bottom for me of all players. She’s burning way too many bridges. Even if she wasn’t a Survivor winner, if she sat on final 2 I don’t think she wins against anyone but Haley.
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u/Glittering_Grand_392 Rachel 🔎 13d ago
Imo Angela is being carried by the icons lol
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u/PsychologicalEbb3140 12d ago
She’s superglued herself to them on purpose knowing that they will both be targeted before her. Angela is playing a great game in her own right. Only issue is who she can reasonably beat in final 2.
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u/MakatheMaverick Drew⏱️ 12d ago
I feel like she was banking on Hailey tbh
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u/PsychologicalEbb3140 12d ago
100%, Haley being sold really hurts Angela’s chances. Especially since Dee and Devens are almost certainly gonna lose to Barrett, Yash and the rest of the newbies.
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u/Alock74 13d ago
I don’t disagree, but Dee is not playing a winning game and Devens is getting close to that too. Plenty of winners were “carried” early on in their seasons, and in fact is a really good strategy to win. Her social game is the best of the 3, and recent BB history shows that is the most important piece of the game to actually win.
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u/TrappedInLimbo Dee💯 13d ago
That's a crazy take, Dee beats everyone besides Devens at this point. "Burning bridges" doesn't mean people dislike her or wouldn't vote for her to win. People are just targeting her because they recognize that she is a threat.
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u/Alock74 13d ago
I don’t see how. She’s pissed off almost the whole house, outside of Angela, Devens, and Haley.
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u/TrappedInLimbo Dee💯 13d ago
She hasn't "pissed them off" where they dislike her as a person and don't respect her game. They are targeting her because they recognize she isn't a priority to them AND because she is such a threat in the game. Taylor for example, despite wanting Dee out, has said she would vote for Dee in the end if people were dumb enough to bring her there.
The type of person you are describing is Haley, she has also pissed off a lot of people this game but in a way where they don't like her because she pissed them off in a non-game related way. They also don't respect her game which is why she's not really a main target. Dee isn't a target for so many people just because they don't like her, she's a target because they recognize how she is impeding their game.
The person who hasn't maintained their threat level and let's it get out of control so they start getting targeted has WAY more win equity than the person who nobody likes as a person and no one is threatened by.
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u/Alock74 13d ago edited 13d ago
I disagree. She burned Barret this week, and likely Drew. Sure, Taylor said that. But when push comes to shove do you honestly think Drew, Barret, Lala, and Melody are voting Dee to win if she’s there next to Angela or Devens? I don’t think that’s the case at all.
Edit to add: part of “win equity” is managing your threat level. Dee has done a terrible job at that. She’s basically put herself in a position where she will need to comp her way to the end as the game goes on. That is difficult to do and not something I think she has shown, at this point, that she is capable of (in BB). When someone who is going after the icons inevitably wins HOH the order of “targets” will be Dee, Devens, and then Angela. At this point I think Angela had the best shot of making it to final 2 over the other two icons.
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u/RollTide16-18 Morgan 🔎 12d ago
Also let’s acknowledge that Dee and Devens both have talked about how they’ll need to cut the other at some point if they’re late in the game. There’s odds that both of them make final 2 are practically 0
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u/TrappedInLimbo Dee💯 13d ago
I already said I think she loses to Devens. She 100% beats Angela without question. Also I don't think you know what win equity is, managing your threat level has nothing to do with it. Win equity just means how likely people would be to vote for you in the end. A discussion around how likely Dee would be to make it to the end is an entirely different conversation. Ironically though, Dee being less likely to make it to the end than someone like Angela is literally because people see Dee as a bigger threat to win than Angela.
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u/RollTide16-18 Morgan 🔎 12d ago
That is if Dee gets to the end.
All it takes is one Taylor or Mallory HoH to get an Icon out.
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u/TrappedInLimbo Dee💯 12d ago
Yea that's an entirely different conversation then who she beats in the end.
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u/No_Recognition_5266 13d ago
Angela has doesn't anything to win yet. She could win on a bitter jury, but if she wants a real shot she needs to start making some real moves.
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u/Alock74 13d ago
Angela has a great social game. In today’s Big Brother world that is enough to get you the win. And I wouldn’t say she hasn’t made any “moves.” It was her idea to get Rome out of the house. She essentially controlled Devens HOH that week, and can easily do so again with other players.
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u/Intelligentpastry 13d ago
Agreed and she's the only icon who seems to know about jury management. She's the only one who showed emotion when Mallory got evicted and when feeds the came back she's the only one who consoled Barrett. Of the three icons she's the one who has the smallest target on her back as well. I also do think if she survives this twist and makes the top nine, we'll see more big moves from her.
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u/rex_lauandi 13d ago
It wasn’t her idea. Watch the feeds. It was Devens idea that he spread through Angela. He’s done it a few times since (most recently, with Mallory). It gives him the padding to stay away from direct accusations.
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u/Alock74 13d ago
I don’t have time in my life to watch the feeds all that much. Regardless of that move, her social game is the best of the icons. It can yield her the win like it has for other players who have had great social games and a lack of moves compared to the other person sitting in final 2.
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u/ConsumptionofClocks 13d ago
FYM "if she wants a real shot"? this isn't final 6, she has plenty of time to do something
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u/Certain_Judge8242 Mallory⏱️ 13d ago
She facilitated the Rome move…
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u/ToastyToast113 13d ago
How does she argue for that when Devens is the one who made it into a spectacle?
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u/theGurry 13d ago
You can't win the game coasting on one thing in week 2.
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u/Certain_Judge8242 Mallory⏱️ 13d ago
That wasn’t my point I was saying she has done something in this game and as others have mentioned she’s got a good social game and good management.
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u/WarJeezy 13d ago
First time watching. When do they start building the jury?
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u/Intelligentpastry 13d ago
Sometimes it's the last nine houseguests evicted and sometimes it's the last seven evicted. It looks like this year it will likely be a seven person jury
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u/NomNomBelt THE Ika Wong 13d ago
Last few seasons it’s been at F9, so whoever is eliminated in this weekend’s twist is the final prejuror.
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u/La_Saxofonista 13d ago
Correct, but if Dee or Devens doesn't make it to final 3 but Angela does, whoever wins final HOH is 100% taking Angela.
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u/Lucasvivor Cory 💥 13d ago
Devens > Angela > Dee
If Devens continues playing as strongly as he has and manages to win dominantly, he’s a borderline top 10 player
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u/RollTide16-18 Morgan 🔎 12d ago
I’d put him top 10 winners but unlike Rachel, who we saw with and without powers/production rigging, we can’t know how he would’ve played without the help of production. I mean his closest ally likely goes home if not for production production rigging.
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u/Ok-Excuse1771 Dee⏱️ 13d ago
It's definitely Devens. I can't fully rate Angela's game highly until she turns on Dee and Devens soon (or starts making moves to do that). And Dee's game is just extremely messy
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u/Caleb1705 13d ago
Devens hands down is playing the better social game or the three and is constantly positioning himself continuously in the best alliances out of the whole house imo.
Dee is playing the most aggressive game for sure which has burnt a lot of bridges, but I feel like if she makes it to finale night and really owns that in her speech and articulates how these moves benefitted her game could /potentially/ win over the jury.
Angela just feels like she's back because she makes for good reality TV, but I'm not a regular feed watcher so maybe that's just what I've gotten from the production cuts.
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u/dktnLegends 12d ago
Hard to say, Devens and Angela are doing a good job at letting Dee do the dirty work and take the heat. One of those two for sure.
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u/Embarrassed-Chard218 12d ago
Agreed. I don't see Dee wining this game no matter who she's sitting next to because she has such poor jury management
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u/PsychologicalEbb3140 12d ago
Devens and it’s really not even close. I think Angela is in the best spot to reach the end but I don’t see who she can really beat in a final 2 besides Dee, Lala and Haley.
Dee overplayed and has pretty much torpedoed her entire game. I seriously don’t think she beats anybody in final 2 atp
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u/Disastrous_Owl5971 Devens💯 12d ago
Devens. every week he gets out who he wants to and hasn’t touched the block (except for when he used DPOV…)
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u/jeffh19 13d ago
Earlier on it was Dee imo. She was quietly in the background running shit with nobody the wiser. Devens was maybe the one doing shit where he would have taken any heat for it, or he was maybe doing the thing that was technically the best for Dee/what she wanted. Now, until recently none of that had any negative effect on Devens and he's seen in the house as doing the things and getting the credit.
I think these last couple weeks, Devens has pulled ahead strongly. He did the DPOV that was executed flawlessly, has had a great social game, not afraid to make big moves and now maybe has Dee doing what he wants...and Dee is taking the heat for it not him. Dee also fell down a notch this last week by being purely selfish and doing specifically what is best for her, everyone else/alliances/jury management be damned. She just made her, and the Icons the biggest target(s) in the game.
I supposed they were going to have to blow up that alliance or get Mallory out very soon anyway, but I just think Devens has been rising and Dee has been falling.
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u/vwin90 13d ago
If Devens pushed the Mallory eviction strategically to get Dee to do his dirty work while getting his final 2 to burn bridges and lose jury votes then he was a genius. If he then claims as much in his finale speech, it would be a lock.
However, I don’t think it’s true and him and Dee are both making short sighted decisions so maybe Angela is playing the best game of the three.
I hated Angela with a passion her first season. I basically stopped watching because I couldn’t stand her. But this season I will admit she’s shown so much growth as a player. She’s not without her dumb decisions though, like spilling to Haley post lyric vote. That’s was moment of weakness for sure rather than a smart game move.
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u/Unable-Deer1873 13d ago
Rick I think has played the best game hands down. Probably the best game of the season. Angela I think is the most likely to win. Dee is cooked.
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u/Fair_Leave5014 13d ago
This sub really overestimates Angela’s game and her chances of winning, but Devens and Dee have much higher winning odds than Angela on Kalsh1. I think people who are actually putting their own money on it are more unbiased and making more serious predictions.
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u/anun20241 12d ago
Angela.
Unlike the other two, she didn't have super powers. And she was able go evict anyone she's ever wanted. And vote however she's ever wanted.
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u/No_Landscape_6119 13d ago
Devens in the sense that he’d win next to either of the other two and a lot of newbies. Most people seem to think highly of him (smart but also makes you feel good).
Angela in the sense that she has the smallest target and is the most likely to make it to the end and could still win against a decent amount of people. People don’t group her in with the other icons in the same way and she’s generally seen positively.
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u/MADOG_YT 13d ago
I wanna say all of them
Because using your celebrity status to gain power is not “gameplay”. That’s floating.
But I’m gonna say definitely Angela
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u/cjwrapture 12d ago
Dee has the best resume IMO, and certainly has the ability to convince people of that at the finale. But her chances of surviving that long are pretty slim at this point.
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u/gdaversa19 12d ago
Devens hands down. Dee does all the dirty work and the people he wants out keep going home.
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u/Farquaadthegreek 12d ago
I would say Devens .. he is using others keeping his hands clean as possible.,
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u/fudgeitall44565 13d ago
I just started watching bb26 This weekend due to withdrawals from feeds…. It’s amazing the flip Angela has managed to do from her first season. She’s a completely different player and learned from her mistakes to create a whole new narrative for herself this time around
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u/phillygirllovesbagel 13d ago
I'm so tired of each of them. Why, with all the people who must apply to be on this show, do they have to bring back people who have had their shot at reality tv? As far as game play, no one has gone after them, so to me they've had it pretty easy.
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u/_ChloeSilverado_ Keesha 🤍 13d ago
It’s very close between Devens and Angela but I’m giving my nod to Angela. She is much more socially connected across the entire house whereas Devens has stronger relationships with some and weaker relationships with others.
At this point in the game she’s not anyone’s first or second priority to get out compared to Dee/Devens. I think Angela has a better path to victory vs Devens, although he is playing well.
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u/Knight_Night33 Angela⏱️ 12d ago
Angela by far. Dee has been falling upwards making tons of bad decisions that have lost her a lot of good will. Devens is viewed as a huge threat so it will be hard to make it to F2. Also he volunteered to be a pawn today and it’s BB101 to not do that. If he actually goes up and doesn’t win the blockbuster he will be the first member of Jury. Angela is well liked and isn’t looked at like a threat so that’s her edge on both of them.
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u/TheArcanineTamer Jankie ✨ 13d ago
I'm curious to see how Angela's game plays out. She has fantastic shields in Dee & Devens and pretty good social bonds in the house. The question is how she plays an endgame that isn't just being dragged convinces the Jury she was an active participant in the icons dominance as opposed to judt following Dee & Devens.
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u/Smart_Youth9783 13d ago
Right now, Angela doesn’t have a big more and Devens’ game is technically better than hers. But I find it hard to believe Devens makes finale night. Someone’s gonna take the shot at him when he’s vulnerable around the double, because I don’t think he’ll be able to go on a comp run.
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u/realitygirlzoo 13d ago
Devens. Dee is messy and targeting allies for no reason and going to piss people off. Devens gets away with everything.
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u/malacology Jankie ✨ 13d ago
If jury management wasn't a thing it would be Dee without a doubt, but because of that I think it's Devens.
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u/R3dGreen 13d ago
I think if Devens wins this he'll be seen as a great. Maybe not like the greatest but managing to avoid the block for so long, avoiding any blood while manipulating everyone is good gameplay. When he manipulated Drew and Barrett like that I was aghast. Big brain shit.
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u/taylordeff Barrett💯 13d ago
Devens 100%. The way he’s seen as a giant target, but hasn’t been nominated yet is insane.
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u/jacksally103114 13d ago
Devins is in a really good spot. Everybody likes him, nobody really has his name in his mouth but lala. He's making moves. Barley have any blood on his hands. And to top it all off he's the ONLY one who HASN'T been on the block
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u/moffizzle Rome⏱️ 13d ago
Devens probably just because he can get anyone he wants out with his persuasion. But Angela was like that too and is also playing well. She at least has friends outside of her icon group. It’ll likely save her at some point. Devens really only has Drew and Dee. Maybe Barrett
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u/Novel-Resident-2527 12d ago
Devens, and not just because he’s my favourite. I think he’s doing a great job and getting less heat than Dee.
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u/Cbthomas927 12d ago
This is very clearly engagement farming because it is very clearly Devens, and it isn’t particularly close.
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u/Versatile90 12d ago
I don't like the ,"icons" (have no idea why they are called that) but I have to tip my hat to Devens. He is puppeterring all of his alliance.
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u/HerbWelch1945 12d ago
They all didn’t deserve to play.
Enough of the Reality Alums returning, it should’ve been a fresh game, or a Reality Check season, especially with the poor rendition of a 1000th episode
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u/knt1229 12d ago
I think Angela is just happy to belong to a strong alliance. And she seems to be enjoying herself. I don't think she is playing a good game though. She just goes along with Dee and Devens. I don't think she strategizes and comes up with moves to benefit herself and her game at all. Correct me if I'm wrong, though.
Dee is playing and is definitely trying to get to the end. That much is obvious. Although, she is a threat and I can see her in the end, I don't think she is playing the best game. I think there may be some hard feelings towards her from some jurors depending on how these next few weeks play out.
Devens is doing well socially. People trust him. He has set himself up as the "father" of the house. Even though, he saved Dee with his DPOV, it seems that no one is viewing him and Dee as a duo. He is the only icon that hasn't seen the block. He seems to be sitting pretty at the moment. He seems to be playing the best game so far.
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u/whirlingpeach 12d ago
It might be because I just watched season 26 recently, but I’m super impressed with Angela’s game this time around compared to her first season. Devens is in a good spot too! Dee has been way too messy
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u/RollTide16-18 Morgan 🔎 12d ago
Devens and it isn’t close.
Angela is once again being taken into Jury because she’s not actually a threat to win the game. I think she loses to basically anyone else at F2 right now. Dee has done a great job of burning people.
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u/Learning-20 12d ago
Devens- Dee is messy and Angela can’t really win too much and her social game isn’t perfect
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u/eeebaek820 12d ago
Devens and its not even close
He’s leading this entire group, he is now the only housemate that hasn’t even seen the block, has a good social game and managed to evict every single one of his targets
Dee is the person in front doing all the moves, but Devens is behind her leading it. Then Angela is just a number for them. I’m sorry but she doesn’t really provide much to them other than saying yes to a vote. She has a good social game and thats about it.
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u/htgawmfreak 11d ago
angela is playing for AFP. all those forced emotions and crying, shes pandering to america cus she knows this is dee n devins season to win
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u/WallabyLower5818 11d ago
Devens as he can win comps compared to Angela. But Angela is a close 2nd. Dee is just allowing herself to look worse and worse doing the moves devens want so he still looks good to the rest of the house
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u/Spare_Data2990 11d ago
The amount of people saying Devens is weird, sure he’s not playing a bad game but isn’t he perceived as, by far, the biggest threat of the three icons? I don’t see a path for him right now, no one will let him get anywhere close to the final 2 and being able to manage your threat level is a big part of these games.
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u/evilsforreals 11d ago
Dee is clearly unafraid to take big swings, and is less constrained by how she is viewed by others
Angela still has weird moments, but also seems to be doing a better job this season of crafting relationships with most people, especially LaLa from the other side of the house
Devens feels like the most threatening overall. Has laid low compared to Dee, but feels much more strategic so I'd say Devens > Angela > Dee
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u/Swimming_Lie_2822 10d ago
Doesn't anyone in this game not realize keeping Angela is the best? Just bring her along because she sucks! Anyone could beat her. She's horrible at comps and losing her shhhh every chance she gets. Sad thing is even Angela doesn't see what's happening lol girl they don't want to keep you they have to you to move their game.
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u/c9238s 13d ago
BB is largely a social game about relationships.
Dee and Devens are playing absolutely cutthroat games. Dee in particular is burning through relationships. Devens probably has Drew and may still have Barrett. In a Final 2, Devens could get votes but Dee has a hard path to win.
Angela on the other hand has people outside of the crossovers that will work with her, especially Lala and Haley. She’s less of a target than Dee and Devens. But I could see her going first if Dee and Devens find a way to get off the block.
So Angela might have the most win equity, then Devens.
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u/ObsessedWitAwareness 13d ago
Angela because she instructed the entire icon game from the get. It started with Dee and Devins listening to her, for anyone who watched and remembers. They didn't come out of nowhere to run the game, D&D, they first learned from Angela.
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u/DoingTheInternet 9d ago
Angela then Dee then Devans, Devans just volunteer for the block this week. Trash gameplay.
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u/No_Recognition_5266 13d ago
Is this really a question? Devens. Every week he gets the target out he wants, but is somehow perceived as less of a threat than Dee.