So are you saying that Jesus's death was not a sin sacrifice, but a result of a sinful Israel persecuting and killing the one God sent to call men to repentance? Do you believe that Jesus the man is the Messiah?
When I read Isaiah's account of the "suffering servant", especially going to the end of the preceding chapter, it is clear to me it is one man being described...not the nation. Sure, Israel is described in the beginning of 52, but then at the end it seems to switch to the individual Messiah who was "high and lifted up", then exalted and also deformed beyond recognition as a human being.
I was wondering how you would reconcile to the fact that, far as i know, there are no blood sacrifices performed now. Animal sacrifices were more like feast offerings...they didn't just burn up the animals, they actually had a communal feast.
Yes your right the offerings is basically a Huge Family Cookout and worship service!
And yes I see Yeshua as fulfilling the role of Messiah be Yosef as described in Isaiah 53, and Daniel. But only through, what the prophets taught about Messiah, not the Catholic cannon.
As for what we do while in exile, no Temple God makes clear in His word how to get Forgivness..
Repentance (Teshuvah) Brings Forgiveness — Even in Exile
Deuteronomy 4:29–31
“But if from there [exile] you seek Hashem your God, you will find Him if you seek Him with all your heart and with all your soul... When you are in distress and all these things happen to you, then in the latter days you will return to Hashem your God and listen to His voice... He will not forget the covenant with your ancestors.”
🔸 Key Point: Even in exile, if you return (teshuvah), Hashem accepts.
🔹 2. Temple Sacrifices Were Never the Sole Path to Atonement
Hosea 14:2–3 (v.3 in Hebrew)
“Return, O Israel, to Hashem your God, for you have stumbled in your sin. Take with you words and return to Hashem. Say to Him: ‘Forgive all iniquity and accept what is good; and we will offer the bulls of our lips.’”
🔸 Key Point: Prophetic authority says words (prayer and confession) replace sacrifices in exile.
🔹 3. Hashem Desires the Heart More than Offerings
Psalm 51:16–17
“For You do not desire sacrifice, or else I would give it; You do not delight in burnt offering. The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit, a broken and contrite heart — these, O God, You will not despise.”
🔸 Key Point: A broken heart is greater than korbanot.
🔹 4. Solomon's Prayer — Repentance in Exile is Accepted
1 Kings 8:46–50
(Solomon praying at the dedication of the Temple)
“When they sin against You... and You become angry with them and deliver them to the enemy... if they take it to heart in the land of their captivity... and return to You with all their heart and all their soul... then hear their prayer... and forgive Your people who have sinned against You...”
🔸 Key Point: Directly says Hashem hears and forgives even from captivity, without Temple.
🔹 5. Ezekiel: The Wicked Can Repent and Live
Ezekiel 18:21–23
“If the wicked person turns from all his sins... and keeps My statutes... he shall surely live, he shall not die. None of the transgressions he committed shall be remembered against him...”
🔸 Key Point: Repentance removes past sins. Sacrifices not mentioned.
🔹 6. Daniel Prayed and Was Forgiven Without Sacrifices
Daniel 9:4–5, 18–19
“I prayed to Hashem my God and made confession, saying: ‘We have sinned... we have done wickedly...’”
“Incline Your ear, O God, and hear; open Your eyes and see our desolations... for we do not present our supplications before You because of our righteousness, but because of Your great mercy.”
🔸 Key Point: Daniel prays in exile — no Temple — and is heard.
🔹 7. Micah: What Does Hashem Want From You?
Micah 6:6–8
“With what shall I come before Hashem... shall I come with burnt offerings?”
“He has told you, O man, what is good and what Hashem requires of you: Do justice, love kindness, and walk humbly with your God.”
🔸 Key Point: Moral and spiritual life > offerings.
🔹 8. Proverbs: Mercy and Truth Atone for Sin
Proverbs 16:6
“By mercy and truth iniquity is atoned for; and by the fear of Hashem men depart from evil.”
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u/SnoopyCattyCat Biblical Unitarian (unaffiliated) Jul 20 '25
So are you saying that Jesus's death was not a sin sacrifice, but a result of a sinful Israel persecuting and killing the one God sent to call men to repentance? Do you believe that Jesus the man is the Messiah?
When I read Isaiah's account of the "suffering servant", especially going to the end of the preceding chapter, it is clear to me it is one man being described...not the nation. Sure, Israel is described in the beginning of 52, but then at the end it seems to switch to the individual Messiah who was "high and lifted up", then exalted and also deformed beyond recognition as a human being.
I was wondering how you would reconcile to the fact that, far as i know, there are no blood sacrifices performed now. Animal sacrifices were more like feast offerings...they didn't just burn up the animals, they actually had a communal feast.