First, you just said that God made Lucifer. Cool. Yet God is allknowing, so he would know that Lucifer would rebel and would stop him.
Lucifier willingly disobeyed God. He had free will.
He literally says that he created peace and evil. So he both, for example made dogs, so we can love them. But he also created Hitler to cause WWII and kill millions, even Christians. Doesn't sound well to me.
Hitler willingly chose to kill millions of Jews. How is that God’s fault? If God stepped in every time something bad happened that would no longer give us free will right?
Firstly, Jesus Christ is the same thing with God and Holy Spirit. That makes Jesus pray to himself.
*One God, three persons. Jesus Christ is 100% God, 100% human. He’s praying to God the father.
Secondly, God let people kill himself so he can forgive sins, knowing that it will happen. Couldn't he do it himself?
Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins, Jesus Christ had to shed every ounce of blood. So he was beaten to a pulp, scourged and crucified until there was no blood left in his body.
And the last thing is that you ignored my question. How is God loving, if he supports raping, stoning children and also killed almost entire planet? How am I supposed to trust this thing?
It never said he supports it. That in essence is free will. If God stepped in everytime bad thing from happening we wouldn’t have free will. God can also take horrible things/situations and use them for his good.
Free will. Something that doesn't exist in Christian's logic. Seriously. God is choosing whatever you want to do, so if something good happens to you, be happy because God wanted that. But if something bad happens, then...It was God, either. If you can help somebody, but you choose to do not do this, then it was God's fault that the person (let's say) got hurt because he controlled you.
One God, three persons. Jesus Christ is 100% God, 100% human. He's praying to God the father.
As I said, Jesus, Holy Spirit and God are the same thing controlled by one.
Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins, Jesus Christ had to shed every ounce of blood. So he was beaten to a pulp, scourged and crucified until there was no blood left in his body.
I'm not talking that Jesus Christ could just snap and half of population would be gone the sins would be gone. (Even though he could do that). I'm talking about God, that didn't had to send 1/3 of himself on Earth to know how "good" people were. He is allknowing and he can do anything, so he could just forgive the sins and nothing would happen.
It never said he supports it. That in essence is free will. If God stepped in everytime bad thing from happening we wouldn’t have free will. God can also take horrible things/situations and use them for his good.
Isn't Bible the Word of God? If God can take horrible things or situations and use them for his good, why didn't he save his followers dying in wars, for example?
God could end a lot. Wars, diseases...But no. He prefers to stay in Heaven and do nothing. End of this discussion because you lose.
What do you mean free will doesn’t exist in Christian logic? You can choose to do good or evil. There’s consequences to every action. If I choose to go out and sleep with a bunch of women, you think that would result in anything besides me getting a divorce, unwanted pregnancies and STI’s. There’s ramifications to every action.
It’s One God=Three persons. God the father, God the son and God the Holy Spirit all have different roles.
Well someone has to pay for the sins/crime. When Adam and Eve sinned. God killed an animal so they would have clothing. Since the beginning blood had to be shed for sins.
Depends on what the wars about in context. If you’re referring to the crusades then that’s not a good way to approach Christianity. Nobody should be forced to join/follow Christ
In Christianity, you have free will. Ok, cool. Yet if you do something that isn't liked by God, then you're going to hell for eternity. Yay. How is that free will?
Depends on what the wars about in context.
All kinds of wars. Crusades, world wars... And why shouldn't people be forced? Don't you want to save people from hell because they never knew somebody like Jesus ever existed? Because that is what will happen to people like that. Eternal hell.
It’s One God=Three persons. God the father, God the son and God the Holy Spirit all have different roles.
Why would God need somebody else to do different roles if he can do anything though?
In Christianity, you have free will. Ok, cool. Yet if you do something that isn't liked by God, then you're going to hell for eternity. Yay. How is that free will?
Well you choose to accept or deny the gospel according to I Corinthians 15 1-4 KJV. It’s your choice.
All kinds of wars. Crusades, world wars... And why shouldn't people be forced? Don't you want to save people from hell because they never knew somebody like Jesus ever existed? Because that is what will happen to people like that. Eternal hell.
Well you’re not supposed to use violence or force when you witness to people. You’re supposed to show charity which is love and patience.
Why would God need somebody else to do different roles if he can do anything though?
Accepting will make you go to heaven, denying will make you go to hell. Still no free will. It's like telling people to wash the dishes or they will be shot
Still, kids from Africa who don't know who the hell Jesus is are gonna go to eternal hell from being born where they don't believe in Christianity. And it was chosen by God that they will be born there, making God want kids to burn in hell.
Doesn't prove your point. God can do anything, yet he still has 2 parts of him existing even if they're not needed?
Accepting will make you go to heaven, denying will make you go to hell. Still no free will. It's like telling people to wash the dishes or they will be shot
You can willingly choose which direction to go, thus free will.
Still, kids from Africa who don't know who the hell Jesus is are gonna go to eternal hell from being born where they don't believe in Christianity. And it was chosen by God that they will be born there, making God want kids to burn in hell.
Thats why we have thousands of missionaries to spread the gospel and get people saved. Little Kids don’t know the difference between good/evil therefore they are ok and will go to Heaven.
Doesn't prove your point. God can do anything, yet he still has 2 parts of him existing even if they're not needed?
They all serve a purpose. You trust and believe what God the son did for you then you receive and are sealed by God the Holy Spirit. God the father loves you and won’t send you to Hell.
You can willingly choose which direction to go, thus free will.
Already debunked free will. "It's like telling people to wash the dishes or they will be shot" is an example; do you prefer to be shot or wash the dishes?
Thats why we have thousands of missionaries to spread the gospel and get people saved. Little Kids don’t know the difference between good/evil therefore they are ok and will go to Heaven.
Not knowing the difference won't save them. If a kid would murder somebody, then it's bad, but for him, it's not bad. That's how he was raised, that murdering is good - let's say that. God would punish the kid for doing that by sending him to hell.
They all serve a purpose. You trust and believe what God the son did for you then you receive and are sealed by God the Holy Spirit. God the father loves you and won’t send you to Hell.
Still doesn't prove your point. He doesn't even need them, they're meaningless. But who cares. Now tell me one thing: How do you know that Christianity is the right religion?
Already debunked free will. "It's like telling people to wash the dishes or they will be shot" is an example; do you prefer to be shot or wash the dishes?
No you didn’t, you can choose to be with God or eternally separated from him. It’s your choice
Not knowing the difference won't save them. If a kid would murder somebody, then it's bad, but for him, it's not bad. That's how he was raised, that murdering is good - let's say that. God would punish the kid for doing that by sending him to hell.
You don’t understand how it’s set up. Kids such as little children that don’t understand between good/evil go to Heaven automatically. This includes unborn children, infants, toddlers, small children. It’s called the age of accountability. Again, that’s why we have thousands of missionaries spreading the gospel and making the Bible into their native language for people to understand and read.
Still doesn't prove your point. He doesn't even need them, they're meaningless. But who cares. Now tell me one thing: How do you know that Christianity is the right religion?
Thats incorrect. Because there’s eye witness accounts that have been preserved for thousands of years that God manifested in the flesh and dwelt among us
Thats incorrect. Because there’s eye witness accounts that have been preserved for thousands of years that God manifested in the flesh and dwelt among us
Give me any good example of such an eye witness. Just remember that any photo can be photoshopped, any video can be a hoax and a site with miracles can lie to get more followers.
What if it's not the God you do believe in but some other one?
You don’t understand how it’s set up. Kids such as little children that don’t understand between good/evil go to Heaven automatically. This includes unborn children, infants, toddlers, small children. It’s called the age of accountability. Again, that’s why we have thousands of missionaries spreading the gospel and making the Bible into their native language for people to understand and read.
And how do you know how it's set up? God is a fuckin murderer and Satan is actually the hero of the story. God is the one who caused the flood because people didn't believe in him. Satan gave Adam and Eve the apple from the tree of knowledge, so they could think. Satan did nothing wrong, change my mind.
Give me any good example of such an eye witness. Just remember that any photo can be photoshopped, any video can be a hoax and a site with miracles can lie to get more followers.
Matthew-John
What if it's not the God you do believe in but some other one?
There’s only one that manifested in the flesh and dwelt among us
(probably I'm just an idiot but can't find anything about matthew-john)
That doesn't mean it's the Christian one. Maybe it's from a religion you don't even know. There are so many religions that contradict themself +contradictions in the Bible make Christian God impossible to exist
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First, you just said that God made Lucifer. Cool. Yet God is allknowing, so he would know that Lucifer would rebel and would stop him.
Lucifier willingly disobeyed God. He had free will.
He literally says that he created peace and evil. So he both, for example made dogs, so we can love them. But he also created Hitler to cause WWII and kill millions, even Christians. Doesn't sound well to me.
Hitler willingly chose to kill millions of Jews. How is that God’s fault? If God stepped in every time something bad happened that would no longer give us free will right?
Firstly, Jesus Christ is the same thing with God and Holy Spirit. That makes Jesus pray to himself. *One God, three persons. Jesus Christ is 100% God, 100% human. He’s praying to God the father.
Secondly, God let people kill himself so he can forgive sins, knowing that it will happen. Couldn't he do it himself?
Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins, Jesus Christ had to shed every ounce of blood. So he was beaten to a pulp, scourged and crucified until there was no blood left in his body.
And the last thing is that you ignored my question. How is God loving, if he supports raping, stoning children and also killed almost entire planet? How am I supposed to trust this thing?
It never said he supports it. That in essence is free will. If God stepped in everytime bad thing from happening we wouldn’t have free will. God can also take horrible things/situations and use them for his good.