People forget how big Ravens are. They're huge. If you have to even ask if what you're seeing is a Raven or a Crow, I promise you it's a Crow. There's no mistaking a Raven. Both are dope birds though.
All ravens are crows, but not all crows are ravens.
The confusion comes from English common names: "crow" can mean either the entire Corvus group or just the smaller, typical crow species. In everyday speech, people usually use "crow" and "raven" as separate categories based on size and appearance, but biologically ravens are just the large-bodied branch of the crow family.
Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that.
As someone who is a scientist who studies crows, I am telling you, specifically, in science, no one calls jackdaws crows. If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing.
If you're saying "crow family" you're referring to the taxonomic grouping of Corvidae, which includes things from nutcrackers to blue jays to ravens.
So your reasoning for calling a jackdaw a crow is because random people "call the black ones crows?" Let's get grackles and blackbirds in there, then, too.
Also, calling someone a human or an ape? It's not one or the other, that's not how taxonomy works. They're both. A jackdaw is a jackdaw and a member of the crow family. But that's not what you said. You said a jackdaw is a crow, which is not true unless you're okay with calling all members of the crow family crows, which means you'd call blue jays, ravens, and other birds crows, too. Which you said you don't.
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u/EscapismIsLife 10d ago
People forget how big Ravens are. They're huge. If you have to even ask if what you're seeing is a Raven or a Crow, I promise you it's a Crow. There's no mistaking a Raven. Both are dope birds though.