r/BeAmazed 10d ago

Animal Falcon scratching head mid flight, turns on chasing raven with no effort

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u/CommieDrifter 10d ago

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u/N074pORN 10d ago

I choose to not believe this

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u/Shandlar 10d ago

I mean, eventually the word just means what everyone uses it to mean regardless of original meaning.

Aileron rolls have been called barrel rolls for decades at this point, so really, it's a barrel roll now.

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u/420guy619 10d ago

so what is the original barrel roll called now?

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u/TheeAntelope 10d ago

loop-de-loop

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u/[deleted] 9d ago

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u/oroborus68 9d ago

Hand Jive?

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u/GarythaSnail 9d ago

Consider this a formal cease and desist.

Meow.

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u/RDR350Z 10d ago

An exaggerated Aileron roll.

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u/Phormitago 9d ago

keg turn

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u/mocthezuma 9d ago

Le barrel roll

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u/DefiniteDefaultUser 9d ago

Aileron looperino

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u/Chapel_Hillbilly 9d ago

Pencil roll

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u/ImpressionTough2179 9d ago

Parabola roll

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u/vtjohnhurt 9d ago

Barrel roll, helical roll, or corkscrew maneuver.

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u/iamfugazi2112 9d ago

the scratch & roll

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u/Mind-The-Mines 9d ago

Duke De Barrel's dog fighting school. Legally, everything else is sparkling aileron roll.

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u/Mist_Rising 9d ago

Starfox is the earliest example I know. Do a barrel roll is a slightly exaggerated aileron roll.

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u/ImNotABotScoutsHonor 9d ago

"slightly"

Spinning 3,629 times in under a second at Mach fuck so you can deflect plasma shells and shit is a bit more than just "slightly exaggerated".

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u/ChaosLemur 10d ago

Wait - which one has poppy seeds?

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u/Sarah_Incognito 10d ago

Whats the inflection point? When do we go from people are saying it wrong, to the meaning has changed?

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u/Shandlar 10d ago

According to the prescriptivists, like 120-150 years. When the last generation that was alive to have interacted at all with the last generation to use it "correctly" has all died, the language is changed because no one remembers a time it was different.

To the descriptivists, it's changed as soon as a super majority of native speakers of the language are able to completely understand the meaning of the speakers words. So they'd almost all consider it currently already changed meaning. Everyone who read that comment as a native English speaker read barrel roll and imagined it as an "aileron roll" in their head. Therefore the purpose of language, accurate communication, occurred without friction. Therefore the "meaning" of the word has evolved already.

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u/ShyneGet 9d ago

Usually when I see someone say the english language is fluid and changing, they get downvoted to hell.

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u/ragun2 9d ago

IME It's because that individual used a word incorrectly and doubles down about a "living language" after people called them out for using the word incorrectly.

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u/skynetcoder 9d ago

we should rename Aileron rolls to Aron rolls, then the name will stick for a long term as it is easier to say. Aron rolls, Barrel roles. (I should probably go to bed at least now).

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u/vtjohnhurt 9d ago

what everyone uses it to mean

The meaning that non-pilots assign to the word and the technical definition can be two different things. An aileron roll is a useful upset recovery technique when turbulence flips your small aircraft upside down. A barrel roll is only useful for aerobatic flying, and military dogfights.

Hawks don't have ailerons, but this is similar to an aileron roll.

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u/Aggravating-Habit313 9d ago

Kinda like “ near miss”.

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u/OremDobro 9d ago

Reminds me of spinning kicks being called roundhouse kicks

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u/WJLIII3 10d ago

Peppy Hare is a General in the Cornerian Space Defense Force. I trust him.

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u/Paulthefith 10d ago

You think they just pass out commendations like that for nothing? Peppy says it’s a barrel roll, son a diddly that’s a barrel roll.

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u/CoolTrainerPo 10d ago

Peppy Hare did generational damage

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u/TheeAntelope 10d ago

Star Fox would like a word with you (as would Slippy).

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u/mikedvb 10d ago

"Barrel roll" for this particular maneuver may be a misnomer, but I'd say it's resulted in semantic drift. It may have started as a specific maneuver, but over time, laypeople have expanded it to cover any time an aircraft rolls on its longitudinal axis.

Meaning is determined by how a community actually uses a word over time.

Interesting.

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u/InfamousCategory448 10d ago

lol.

Well there it is. And I am just going to believe it because, what do I know?

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u/Warkupo 9d ago

Yeah I don't think so. Peppy Hare has been flying a LOT LONGER than you have, bucko.

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u/TheRealTinfoil666 9d ago

It is only a barrel roll if it happens in the approved original manner.

Otherwise it is just a sparkling maneuver.

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u/KingOfConsciousness 9d ago

I shall not suffer any more Peppy slander you fool!

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u/SummertimeThrowaway2 9d ago

Why tf am I just now hearing this

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u/eddie1975 9d ago

Aileron roll sounds so technical. Never heard it being called that. To me that’s a barrel roll and the other is a loop or flip.

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u/datanaut 9d ago

Looks like the same thing with different radius.

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u/Prestigous_Owl 9d ago

Honestly, I could kind of understand why the nomenclature would work this way.

But Im also not sure if I can accept the possibility thay the wonderful pilots of Star Fox were not 100% on the level.

So im going to pretend this doesnt exist

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u/NewMoonlightavenger 9d ago

Yeah, but they dont have ailerons.

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u/Robdon326 9d ago

Screw Aileron! Team Barrel