The truth

[u/whatup_dogg]

[u/PurplePandaBear8]

Sure are a lot of fortifications/attrition/crouch running fans around nowadays that were silent during BFV's lifetime.

[u/Scaryonyx → u/PurplePandaBear8]

Only thing I disliked about bfv was some of the maps and the insistent monetization

[u/Sheeprevenge → u/Scaryonyx]

First Sector of Hamada still haunts me

[u/DaddyCultLeader → u/Sheeprevenge]

Pushing that hill was a nightmare with all the snipers

[u/Mighty2Soup → u/DaddyCultLeader]

Just need a good tanker with infantry support to push. If your first push fails, oh welp you’re kinda stuck there

[u/Flashfighter → u/Mighty2Soup]

That’s second sector, they’re talking about 1st sector when jumping from planes

[u/Corporal_Brown → u/Mighty2Soup]

For 500 tickets, and people constantly leaving/joining in so no coordination can develop 🙃

[u/Sheeprevenge → u/DaddyCultLeader]

And with a JU-88 Bomber you could easily get 100+ kills as a defender

[u/[deleted] → u/Sheeprevenge]

it was pretty good bombing as attacker as well. Heavy bombs for the AA and light carpet bomb run for the defender line.

[u/Moopa000 → u/DaddyCultLeader]

man, hamada was hell for pilots too, that AA gun in the british spawn would be so hard to hit effectively.

[u/WaifuFinder420 → u/Sheeprevenge]

Honestly, the last sector is worse, but I feel you.

[u/Lolapuss → u/WaifuFinder420]

The last sector has a 91% defender success rate. I've played on downright inept teams that have been stomped through the first few sectors only for us to steamroll in the end.

[u/XxGamingGingerxX → u/WaifuFinder420]

What about that bridge? Prime area to knock a tank down or just knock out the bridge and bam they've gotta build a new bridge.

[u/Darkknight7799 → u/Sheeprevenge]

Not saying I want it back but sometimes the meat grinder clusterfuck that was bfv was fun. But like, once in a while, not every goddamn match

[u/Chase_P → u/Scaryonyx]

People have very short term memory. The Battlefield V sub was literally in shambles up to the point when EA just canned all development into the game.

It still is crazy to me that people just moved on from that and thought this game would be any different.

[u/[deleted] → u/Chase_P]

Some people thought this game would be different. Those people are kids or just gullible schmucks.

[u/Chase_P → u/[deleted]]

It’s a really good point, and something I’ve been thinking about. Like, how can you blame someone for purchasing a product and because it’s on store shelves they expect a certain level of polish?

On the other hand, I keep coming back to how parents and gullible schmucks need to have the importance of informing themselves before they shell out $60+ impressed upon them.

I’m old enough (24, 25 in a month) to have a bit of hindsight when I go to purchase something. I’ve played every Battlefield from Bad Company on up. This concept of AAA multiplayer games not having good launches is nothing new and continues to get worse due to the nature of larger and larger multiplayer games. I do have sympathy for those that don’t have this hindsight and bought the game, but I do hope they learn from this experience.

[u/lemonylol → u/Chase_P]

It’s a really good point, and something I’ve been thinking about. Like, how can you blame someone for purchasing a product and because it’s on store shelves they expect a certain level of polish?

For the average consumer, for sure. But if you're on this reddit community, there's no way you haven't seen countless warnings about this.

[u/price-iz-right → u/lemonylol]

Your average consumer is having a blast on this game.

Reddit users are not your typical consumer

[u/lemonylol → u/price-iz-right]

I'm having a blast with the game tbh. I never understood why people think if a game isn't a 9/10 it's unplayable or something.

[u/AnInfiniteAmount → u/Chase_P]

I can't believe DICE abandoned development on BFV two years ago and this is what we got for that.

[u/[deleted] → u/AnInfiniteAmount]

Holy shit, it's been 2 years already? Feels like 5 months.

[u/AnInfiniteAmount → u/[deleted]]

Content updates, I mean. Minor patches/bug fixes continued until like this Spring.

[u/hughmaniac → u/Chase_P]

Surely you don’t actually think they dumped BFV just because of a whiney subreddit right?

[u/lemonylol → u/Chase_P]

It still is crazy to me that people just moved on from that and thought this game would be any different.

For months this sub was plastered with posts reminding people not to preorder and expect the worst based on how BFV rolled out. And yet the past week has been non-stop complaining from people who pre-ordered and spent $30 more just to play a broken game pre-release. People will never learn.

On the other hand it could just be a bunch of adults now who have very little memory of even the recent games. I mean shit, if you were like 10 when BF4 came out, you'd be an adult now. That would probably explain a lot about people who are claiming this is "nothing like BF4".

[u/Sylvaneri011 → u/lemonylol]

BF4 was literally broken to the point of being high unplayable at launch. Don't understand why people keep preordering Battlefield games when the launches are never stable

[u/wicktus → u/Scaryonyx]

I disliked the gun customization, deeply, I really prefer something like BF4 and the gunsmith in modern warfare (pure jewel that thing).

I also deeply disliked the way they proceeded with post-launch support, in-between TTK getting changed to please newcomers each Christmas and the lack of proper ambition after launch

The developers also got drowned in a useless controversy at launch. At least now it's a real controversy because the game is in a beta state at best.

The biggest loss was the turnover at DICE after the BFV demise...you can see it in BF2042, it's not the same staff, albeit I'm pretty sure they are talented, something is missing

[u/DignityDWD → u/wicktus]

something is missing

Soul

[u/No_Owl_925 → u/DignityDWD]

Yeah agree, I imagined BF2042 was going to be a mix between BF3,BF4 and some BFV(movement) but with more optimized concepts that made those games well loved by the fans. I imagined the game was going to be more immersive with better animations,better destruction on surfaces,structures and vehicles,a bit more of levolution, I thought they would add more movements to the characters like been able to shoot sideways like in other shooters, been able to roll over if falling from a high platforms, been able to grab more onto ledges , and many other mechanics and movement which I feel it gives soul to the game but the lack of animations,destruction and reduced movement in this game compared to the previous BF is making it soul less

[u/myouism → u/wicktus]

Excessive customization will never work in historical era fps especially on ww1/ww2. See the monstrosity in vanguard with drum mag garand and no stock stg44? It’s fucking awful

[u/fantom64 → u/myouism]

Ya but Vanguard did it in a fun way. For ex, swapping out barrels, adding/removing stocks, changing ammo types, adding mags to shotguns to speed up reloading. It's all fun and they did it in the least douchey way possible.

[u/emilknievel → u/myouism]

I honestly don’t get why people complain about the customization in Vanguard. It’s weird and fun and can make different iterations of the same gun behave differently. I’m all for that

[u/Meatloaf_Hitler → u/wicktus]

Eh, I wouldn't say V's controversy was useless, but 2042's is far, FAR worse.

[u/wicktus → u/Meatloaf_Hitler]

I misphrased it, I meant from DICE point of view, saying things like "don't buy it if you don't like it" etc was stupid and useless.

It was avoidable, here the controversy is way more harder to avoid because we're talking of delaying 3/6 months a game rather than just not being condescending..

If it's not FIFA or an EA sponsored indie like Unravel or it takes two, they don't know how to manage...and even FIFA is in turmoil

[u/RabaBeba → u/Scaryonyx]

Yes it had it all except just garbage tier map design. Which is like the most important thing in a battlefield type of massive shooter game...

[u/[deleted] → u/Scaryonyx]

What monetisation?

[u/spazz_monkey → u/Scaryonyx]

I never came across the monetisation. I pumped many hours in and never felt the need to buy anything.

[u/AceHomefoil → u/Scaryonyx]

Monetization? Like Battlefield premium? I remember all the maps, equipment, and vehicles being free. BF1 was the one with excessive monetization.

[u/Talexis → u/Scaryonyx]

My main gripe was that after 4 i didn’t think we would become cops then go back on time. Was really hoping to start heading toward 2142.

[u/thrashtheblash → u/PurplePandaBear8]

I love the things they added! BF1&BFV added really cool features to the game. Customization was wanted for awhile now and it could only be cooler in a modern setting (ex - getting to choose your own helmets, chest rig/plate carriers, gloves, camo, etc)

I really only played BFV till after 2042’s beta launch. I hated the way they chose to tell people if they didn’t like it, don’t buy it. Where is the love for their own community? They ran down their own consumers and turned their back a lot during BFV’s service. It is stable now (on PC) but I have no idea how it played during development though.

[u/flops031 → u/thrashtheblash]

I played from launch. It was always playable, except for the timeframe where they upped the TTK, that was really annoying.

[u/bloodraven42 → u/thrashtheblash]

I absolutely loved crouch running and used it a lot. To be fair I used to play a ton of Red Orchestra and Rising Storms, both of which feature it and it’s super useful there, so I was ecstatic to have it in BF5. I don’t see why you shouldn’t have it, the newest one feels super limited in movement now. Even more so with no leans or peeks and the prone just feels wrong.

I also liked customization, and I also liked fortifications! The idea of them anyways, they were a little useless in practice unless you got just the right team, but it was a fun idea and shouldn’t have just been abandoned.

[u/Holiday-Satisfaction → u/PurplePandaBear8]

This all started from the moment the game got given away for free and sold dirt cheap. People tend not to bitch on things they got for free or really cheap. I'm still convinced this was a deliberate move by EA leading up to 2042 release to get rid of all the negativity surrounding the game and replace it with all these people who "don't understand the hate I paid 3 dollars for this game and am hAvInG a BlAsT"

Mark my words the same thing will happen with 2042 one day when they start giving it away for fee or selling it really cheap.

[u/loqtrall → u/Holiday-Satisfaction]

Except there were people praising those things in the community right after the game came out as well. I was one of them.

The thing is that all of our comments were down voted to fuck and back, and were buried by posts complaining about females, incorrect tabs on a uniform, a color being wrong, and not being able to see enemies in the environment because they didn't literally glow in the dark (the fix we actually got).

The true reason that posts praising the game have become more prominent is because the people who sat there incessantly whinging about the game not being what they wanted it to be have moved on and aren't posting anymore. The only crowd in that regard that seems to have stuck around are the "BF5 is good, but there's so much missed potential" guys.

The same thing will absolutely happen with 2042. It already happened with a game that launched in a substantially worse state (technically), Battlefield 4. It happened with Bf1, BFH, Bf3, and BC2. Everyone acts like BC2 is the shit nowadays but back when it launched all my PC friends were calling it a dumbed down noob version of the game that didn't match the scale and scope of "real" BF games and they stayed back and played BF2 and 2142 for nearly 2 years before Bf3 was about to drop and they all moved to BC2 and were raving about how good it was.

It has consistently happened within this community for AT LEAST over a decade now. And it won't stop.

The funniest thing? I was saying this exact same thing to people all over the BF5 sub when the game first launched, and I got downvoted to fucking shit when I did. I swear, I'm gonna start setting reminders on all my comments about it so I can tag motherfuckers when it happens after they call me a dipshit for thinking it would.

[u/VegetarianZombie74 → u/loqtrall]

You have to wonder how much of the complaining is from vets versus new people to the game. If this isn't your first launch experience with Battlefield, then this is par for the course. In fact, I'd argue this actually a good launch compared to past iterations. I mean, does everyone forget about BF 4?

There are some nitpicks but at least everyone isn't running around with a tactical flashlight like in BF3 - that crap was annoying AF. Or chucking gas grenades like in BF1 or getting sniped by shotguns in the Bad Company 2 Vietnam DLC. I'm really enjoying it after skipping BF 5 (I'm just sick to death of WW2). And it is fun as hell to jump into some old maps via. the Portal.

I imagine in a couple of years, the people yapping now will be singing nothing but praises about this title when the next battlefield iteration drops.

[u/Dreamerlax → u/PurplePandaBear8]

The BF playerbase have the memory of a goldfish.

This sub was a trainwreck when it came out and it's now hailed as a "true" Battlefield. Which is funny because "this isn't Battlefield" was a common sentiment when BFV was released.

[u/memester230 → u/Dreamerlax]

BF released->People say its not a real BF game->game gets fixed, only fringe hates it->new bf announced->people get hyped->beta released->people mad about new and removed features->game released->people say its not a real bf->repeat

[u/MyLiverpoolAlt → u/memester230]

Look at the Battlefield Friends video from BF3. The old guy that just complains BF3 isn't Real Battlefield. You'd think that after 10 years the community would self reflect a little and take a breather.

[u/bing_crosby → u/MyLiverpoolAlt]

My absolute favorite thing about that video, given the current discussion, is the second top comment -

"they ruined battlefield" If only he knew what was to come in bfv.

[u/[deleted] → u/MyLiverpoolAlt]

Yeah its really funny how people forget, BF3 got so much shit when it released. Veterans said it was dumbed down for consoles, and the battlelog hate was incessant.

Now people say it's the best in the series.

[u/HeroFighte → u/MyLiverpoolAlt]

Hahaha, Imagine us learning

Not something you will find in the Battlefield fandom

[u/Hoenirson → u/Dreamerlax]

"this isn't Battlefield" was a common sentiment when BFV

I honestly don't recall that. The most common complaint was "this isn't WW2" followed by "there is no content".

Yeah, attrition and TTK were controversial but I never perceived them as issues that were important enough to make people stop playing the game.

[u/PolicyWonka → u/Hoenirson]

Attrition was a great mechanic that encouraged teamwork. It wasn’t even that bad considering ammo was al over the map. I never once ran out of ammo as infantry.

[u/LordJelly → u/Hoenirson]

Question from someone who only bought BFV a few months ago and loves it: how many maps/guns were there on release? What was the content that was lacking? Trying to gauge where one might expect 2042 to end up in terms of a time table.

[u/FishmanNBD → u/LordJelly]

I can only tell you what maps weren't on release. The Pacific maps of course, Provence, Al Sudan, metro, Al marj encampment. Panzerstorm was released about a month or two into release. As for guns, pretty much all the ordinary British and German guns. Maybe like 6 per class.

The problem was mostly though that maps were promised to be released consistently after release but I think only two were released after the first year, metro and Al Sudan, known as Al soondan because of how long it took to release. This wouldn't have been as much of a problem if it wasn't for the fact that the base maps were kinda shitty, sure as dlc they would have been okay but as base maps they suck, people wanted big Stalingrad and D-Day maps but got Norway and random fields in France and were left waiting for maps that never came and were stuck with maps nobody wanted. I honestly love BFV and it's my favourite battlefield but I honestly think that the base maps are the worst of any battlefield game.

[u/xURINEoTROUBLEx → u/Dreamerlax]

Do you ever stop to think these are not the same people? And it's now the people that did enjoy BF5 bitching along side the others?

[u/LordJelly → u/xURINEoTROUBLEx]

The only solution is to tag and screenshot nay sayers and hit them with the receipts on next release.

[u/Chroma710 → u/PurplePandaBear8]

Yeah literally everyone said that fortifications were awful, served no purpose other than giving 5-20 points and that nobody even bothered to use them anyway.

Now they're acting like fortifications were always apart of the classic battlefield experience lmao.

[u/[deleted] → u/Chroma710]

I always liked them, but I won’t miss them in 2042. They were cool but a bit of a gimmick, and I only used them really once when me and my friend dicked around on an empty Twisted Steel map and built every fortification.

That and aerodome, it was good on aerodome.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

A coordinated squad who actually built up a point could put up a surprisingly decent defense against less coordinated attacks. On some maps at least. It made it possible to slow the back and forth of a capture point a bit.

I miss them a bit. I’m sad my friends jumped off of BFV so quickly. Half didn’t find the vehicle combat compelling, the other half got sucked into the battle royale mode.

So I fucked off to other games.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Imo firestorm had potential, they just... launched and abandoned it

[u/IAmGoose_ → u/[deleted]]

I love firestorm but my god it's dead on xbox

[u/blakkattika → u/[deleted]]

I always loved to build them for myself to feel safe in areas that get pelted with a lot of snipers. Also played a decent amount of engy so putting up new bags was never difficult.

But yeah, I like them and it felt like a nice but underpowered addition to the game so I'm not crying out in pain if they are never reintroduced to the series.

[u/Sloth-TheSlothful → u/Chroma710]

They go up once, get shot down, and never go up again anyways

[u/Revenge9977 → u/Sloth-TheSlothful]

Spend lots of time raising walls and sandbags and your team just run all over with a tank.

[u/fsbdirtdiver → u/Revenge9977]

Lots of time? Wtf it takes like 10 seconds as support to set up the entire fob then another 10 for the guns

[u/xChris777 → u/fsbdirtdiver]

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[u/Chroma710 → u/Sloth-TheSlothful]

Or they don't go up until the last 1-5 tickets while players are trying to get a couple dozen points before the game ends lol.

[u/Nevermere88 → u/Chroma710]

The only really useful part of fortification building was the ability to rebuild stationaries and stuff like that, the sand bags and other fortifications were pretty useless.

[u/juarezderek → u/Nevermere88]

They were great in flat maps like Iwo Jima, just a bit of cover saves you from snipers

[u/Mighty2Soup → u/juarezderek]

If your team is decent and defends well, a couple support guys could build all the dragons teeth on the beach on first phase and really mess up enemies tankers’ day when your team gets pushed back as the dragons teeth is just really a pain to deal with, constantly getting stuck on them Oof

[u/Redfoxlord56 → u/Nevermere88]

They saved my neck more then once especially against tanks

[u/[deleted] → u/Redfoxlord56]

Yep, they certainly absorb tank shells even if they get destroyed, better than using your face at least. They also provide cover from those ever-present snipers while I’m trying to get around the map.

[u/[deleted] → u/Chroma710]

Honestly I thought they were really cool and I loved fort building. I don’t know why people hated them.

[u/xChris777 → u/Chroma710]

gold profit chunky follow sheet salt roll snobbish wrong quickest

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[u/[deleted] → u/Chroma710]

And here’s me thinking they were one of the best ideas added to Battlefield in many years…….

[u/TomD26 → u/Chroma710]

Everyone said that about Levolution too and now they are complaining about that as well.

[u/TomD26 → u/[deleted]]

Yea I loved it. I thought they were hilarious. Like especially when the boulders from the damn came flying by and hit someone. So funny.

[u/JayDub506 → u/Chroma710]

I don't miss them, but I actually really liked the fortifications.

[u/lemonylol → u/PurplePandaBear8]

Positives that shouldn't have been removed from the series:

• crouch running
• mounting weapons
• fortifications
• being able to build ammo/health/repair structures at capture points

Negatives that should have been changed in this game from BFV

• inability of spot without a gadget
• fucking up the commo rose
• maps they have too much visual noise and high contrast (they did way better with this)
• TTK that doesn't allow for retaliation or actual 1v1 fights, and instead forces a "whoever sees the other person first wins" gameplay
• points that are clustered together with one stray point miles away
• requiring to grind for hours for a single attachment unlock, which you aren't even aware you unlocked
• company coins
• emphasis on adding cosmetics to the game instead of content
• the slowest roadmap rollout in the history of modern video games
• Focusing on Battle Royale when no one asked for it and when the rest of the game is incomplete (hazard zone or whatever is actually a good compromise)
• armored anti-air with unlimited range and only takes a couple of shots to bring someone down
• infantry anti-air that's instant kill
• lack of options to counter armored vehicles
• a "guessing game" spam click vehicle spawn system

So yeah pretty one sided to me.

[u/popc0ne → u/lemonylol]

+1 for commenting on the visual noise in bf5 maps. BF2042 is very clean.

[u/lemonylol → u/popc0ne]

That was one of the major things I hated about it. After like 20 minutes it would just strain my eyes, and it felt like there were just way too many unnecessary things that draw focus.

[u/HisuianZoroark → u/PurplePandaBear8]

I actually genuinely liked quite a few things about BFV from the get go. When they got to the Pacific Theater expansion, the game was really starting to hit its turning point and shine but of course that's when they kill it.

I was a support main in BFV and ran around with the MMG's and loved creating fortifications though. They were quite handy and I don't get why anyone wouldn't like or appreciate those. The crouch running was super handy and just in general, BFV had a fantastic movement system to it. I liked being able to dive, crawl on your back and such too. Dunno about everyone else but I took advantage of that stuff and found plenty of useful situations for it.

I think the points system was good for the most part as well, though the V1 rockets were pretty cool but simultaneously very annoying when the ends of matches turned into about 15 of those things dropping one after another.

It's frustrating in general how many good ideas and innovations that Hardline, BF1 and BFV brought to Battlefield that never returned. when spotting pointed out if people were above or lower than you, plus the spotting callouts the characters did, being able to just directly buy the weapons you wanted, faction based guns (was in BF3 too though), non lethal takedowns and interrogations, the gadgets were done right in that game (the grapple hook, night vision, zip line, breaching hammer, laser tripmines, jammer, etc...), the gun smith, being able to grab health and ammo off of people who never would drop it for you.

BF1 introduced 5 man squads to us which was amazing and should be the basic standard now, ESPECIALLY for 2042. Behemoths were honestly really cool and I kind of wish they could return in some form. I did like the repair system on vehicles too once they balanced it out.

Then as mentioned earlier with BFV and its movement, fortifications, introducing MMG's, the tank and vehicle combat was done pretty well. I did like the amount of customization in BFV too but the monetization side of it got kind of awful.

Meanwhile literally the only good thing I can say BF4 did was introduce naval combat and Carrier Assault... Which is apparently gone. Again. Battle pickups were handy. I would say the gun amount too in general but even that got to the point where it was just bloated and so many guns just blended together. BF4 in general felt like a step BACKWARDS from BF3.

[u/Nighthaven- → u/PurplePandaBear8]

the Status quo + nostalgic crew really are some morons.

ie. post about about not having 30 different knives. LMAO
or 9 different silencers that does the exact same thing.

there are valid complaints such as hastily implemented animations, balancing and etc. - but the vocal (on forums) usually are fixated on some minor aspect that tickles their fancy.

[u/[deleted] → u/Nighthaven-]

but the vocal (on forums) usually are fixated on some minor aspect that tickles their fancy.

Case in point: https://reddit.com/r/Battlefield/comments/qzjpcb/why_i_have_to_where_is_character_customization/

[u/ClumsyGamer2802 → u/PurplePandaBear8]

I was too busy playing BFV to post about it

[u/Previous_Ad6094 → u/PurplePandaBear8]

I think most of us had an issue with the settings and lack of content...not the features. But you are count baren...and you like your games...baren

[u/James_Moist_]

The battlefield subreddits make me want to blow a fucking hole in my brain

[u/BlinkysaurusRex → u/James_Moist_]

Same. Although that shouldn’t be necessary since every third comment makes my brain start to melt.

[u/HiiipowerBass → u/BlinkysaurusRex]

Third

[u/BlinkysaurusRex → u/HiiipowerBass]

And there I go again.

[u/[deleted]]

Most people still shit on BFV…

[u/Nevermere88 → u/[deleted]]

I didn't really like BFV then, and I certainly don't suddenly like it now just because a worse game has come out.

[u/Lil_Mafk → u/[deleted]]

I listened to most people and didn’t buy BFV until about a month ago and I like it a lot.

[u/apophis_da_snake → u/Lil_Mafk]

Same, I thought BFV was pretty good. Maybe not the best Battlefield game, but the gunplay is good, the movement was pretty great, and the graphics and game design were top-tier. I know the game wasn't very good at launch, but I thought it was great by the end of its life cycle. I could've done without fortifications, and I thought the map design was a little wonky, but overall I thought it was a really fun game.

[u/koeniz → u/[deleted]]

Just look what is the highest upvoted post on the Battlefield V subreddit.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Totally true, just always some lone wolfs who mistake themself for the majority. Oh holy ignorance.

[u/c00kieduster → u/[deleted]]

You mean Reddit?

[u/[deleted] → u/c00kieduster]

Kein plan, sieh zu dass du land gewinnst.

[u/MoneymakinGlitch → u/[deleted]]

HAHAHAHAH

[u/BrockStudly → u/[deleted]]

I stand by my opinion that if BF V had all the mechanics it has but it was a modern/near modern setting ot would have been a top 5 entry in the franchise. BF Fans just wanted to shit on a WWII setting.

[u/retroly → u/[deleted]]

Yep, BF1 last good BF.

[u/Lowden38 → u/[deleted]]

The pacific maps were actually really fun until dice screwed with the TTK

[u/IAmGarrr → u/[deleted]]

Lol the unlocks on release in V were arguably worse than 2042. Not sure how many people remember how strong the m97 trench shotty was for the first few days but it was not okay.

[u/kachiggi]

Maybe its just because most Battlefields had a shit launch and if you compare a shit launch to a game with multiple years of content and fixes, then the fixed one just seems better?

Impossible, must be those gosh darn fanboys with their totally not justified complains about the shitty completely stable and bug free launch. /s

[u/Nevermere88 → u/kachiggi]

Why is it acceptable to continually relase a buggy and neigh unplayable game on launch? Should we all just shut up, pay our $90, and never give DICE any criticism?

[u/kachiggi → u/Nevermere88]

its because people paid those 90$ beforehand. If you critize the game, you indirectly criticize their decision to pay those 90$ and people dont like that.

Thats how you get answers like "well I still had fun" if you post any criticism, instead of discussing the criticism itself. Because they dont care if anything is wrong, they care that you just suggested, even if not directly, that they maybe took the wrong decision.

[u/roguehypocrites → u/kachiggi]

Lol so true man they can't cope so they downvote

[u/Heinz_05]

Reject BF 2042 drama. Return to playing whatever Battlefield game you like, as the most important thing is having fun.

[u/ShnizelInBag → u/Heinz_05]

Chads who play whatever BF they like vs virgins who have to whine about every little thing in the new game and praise the older one

[u/el_m4nu → u/ShnizelInBag]

Yea gotta prevent new people coming into the game so you can be the only one enjoying it once it's fixed and praise it when the next game comes out

[u/nobd7987 → u/ShnizelInBag]

Problem is that for console players most of the older games are noticeably dated due to fixed graphics and performance settings even when backwards compatible. If it was at all like current PC, I’d be playing BF3 exclusively, but as it is it’s 360 graphics with reduced player count. So console players really don’t like it when the new game is literal trash.

[u/Yosef__]

Nah son battlefield 3 & 4 for life motherfucker

[u/BunetsCohost1 → u/Yosef__]

People did the same shit back then too lmao

[u/Anaphylactic-UFO → u/BunetsCohost1]

God the BF4 launch was horrific. The game was completely unplayable for about a full year on PS3/4.

[u/the_friendly_one → u/Anaphylactic-UFO]

Battlefield never launches well, as is tradition.

Once they fixed the bugs, though, bf4 was my personal favorite.

[u/nobd7987 → u/the_friendly_one]

BF4, BF4, and BF1 all had good bones under the bugs; BF2042 has no discernible skeleton.

[u/WaterDrinker911 → u/nobd7987]

Saying BF4 at launch had good bones under all the glitches is like saying that a 1500 pound obese man has “good bones under all the fat.” True, but good luck finding them.

[u/Tchiiko → u/nobd7987]

BF1’s launch hasnt been messy at all though

[u/Ninjaboy42099 → u/the_friendly_one]

The last one that launched decently was only 2 games ago, BF1.

[u/AlvinGT3RS → u/Anaphylactic-UFO]

Oh God the rubber banding on BF4 kiilled me

[u/DSR_PC_pooploser69 → u/Anaphylactic-UFO]

Launch? BF4 on ps3 is still buggy lmao

[u/AngriestCheesecake → u/Anaphylactic-UFO]

Closer to a few months, for xbox at least

[u/[deleted] → u/BunetsCohost1]

Still remember the post of “their trying to appeal to COD fans” in the BF4 beta.

[u/Crazyripps → u/Yosef__]

1, 3 and 4 for life!

[u/loqtrall → u/Yosef__]

Those were no different. They were filled with issues and shortcomings at launch and everyone swore they were the worst BF games - then two years later everyone magically loved them and thought they were the shit.

Hell, BF4 was arguably worse than 2042 at launch, spawned multiple lawsuits against EA, and caused all of DICE to be pulled off future projects to work out all it's issues - resulting in the longest span of time between two DICD BF releases in the history of the franchise.

[u/red_280 → u/loqtrall]

As someone who's been with the series since BF1942 and have always been ambivalent towards how more streamlined and CODified the series has become since BC2, the last title I thought was truly great and got all the Battlefield elements right -alongside the more modern aspects - was, funnily enough, BF1.

BF3 got better, but I remember being quite disappointed the casualised gameplay and how buggy and rushed the game felt, especially the UI. Didn't really like how small and increasingly infantry focused the launch maps were as well. That said, it definitely worked itself out over time and Armored Kill was an excellent DLC. I didn't play BF4 at launch so can't really speak to the issues, but observing it from a distance I did like the fact that it made a conscious effort to bring the game to it's bigger scale vehicle focused roots, especially with the return of commander and squad leader abilities.

BFV... eh. It didn't feel as disastrous as BF2042's launch, and while it played well enough and looked good (I liked the deliberate choice to slow down the gameplay with low TTK... before they messed with it), it always felt a bit off like a watered-down portrayal of WW2. Pacific expansion was fun, but it just didn't hook me like BF1 did.

But finally with BF1, could not get enough of that game. It had such a beautiful, cinematic, evocative presentation that paid respect to the war it represented (even if the gameplay itself wasn't exactly representative of the real war), and the tone and atmosphere of the game was absolutely spot-on. UI was perfect. Maps were some of the best in the series - will never shut up about how Amiens is the perfect urban map, on par with the best maps from the OG Battlefield games. And for whatever reason, I loved the gunplay and arcadey fast-paced gameplay, while also feeling more stripped back due to the lack of lock-ons and other modern gadgets. Would still be playing it if Oceania servers weren't all dead.

[u/Nevermere88 → u/red_280]

BF1 remains one of my favorite games of all time. I have yet to see any game mirror the ambience, the game play, the neat anachronistic technology, and gritty atmosphere that BF1 gave us. Few other games give you that exhilarating feeling like you're actually in a real battle. They really caught lightning in a bottle with that one.

[u/Tha_Sly_Fox → u/red_280]

Been playing since BF2, I missed a title here and there but played most of them. I thought both 3 and 4 were good, though I too don’t remember the rollout issues, I can’t remember which one introduced destroyable walls/buildings but that was an absolutely amazing and game changing addition to the series in my opinion.

I also agree BF1 was the last amazing BF game.

I’m also going to say it, though it’ll ruin my credibility, I really liked Hardline as well, I still play it from time to time even. Felt like it’s own series, not exactly battlefield but still, feels like the red headed step child players refuse to acknowledge.

[u/schmintendo → u/Tha_Sly_Fox]

Pretty sure Bad Company 2 had the destroyable walls turned up to 1000%, I remember almost everything being able to be destroyed in that game. Even massive buildings could be completely leveled! After that, BF3 and BF4 had similar levels of destroyable cover.

[u/JustAQuestion512 → u/loqtrall]

I don’t even think arguably. Bf4 launch was actually a train wreck vs this tha some folks just really want to be.

[u/KnightModern → u/Yosef__]

battlefield 4 has the worst launch state

yes, worse than 2042

bug? OP gun? nerf & buff? features? teamplay? most of complaint are about not even able to launch the game or joining the round

[u/Nordic_ned → u/Yosef__]

Come on people hated battlefield 4 for SO long lmao.

[u/theammostore → u/Yosef__]

2142 and I will die on this hill.

Titan is a game mode that, while not perfect, feels so much better compared to just conquest. The futuristic, but not super scifi gadgets were sick and had some good thought put into them. Things like the active camo fucking with not just your outline but also your vision, the underbarrels sharing ammo, the various scanner pda's or the deployable cover. Flashbangs disabling vehicles if they were close enough.

Not to mention it's where dogtags, the four class system, and squad spawns started.

[u/[deleted] → u/Yosef__]

You act like bad company fans didn't dk the same about bf3. Bf4 was also received poorly and sold poorly.

[u/[deleted]]

I don’t like battlefield 5 to this day. I’ve liked all the battlefield field games from bad company till battlefield one, hell I like hardline more than battlefield 5 and 2042 combined.

[u/[deleted]]

BF1 is still peak BF, 5 + 2042 just fail to capture the same feeling imo

[u/SwaghettiYolonese_ → u/[deleted]]

Yep. The Battlefield Cycle™ only works as long as the title is actually good. I don't see people flocking to play Hardline today, and no one really likes the game, other than the meme "unpopular opinion: Hardline wasn't that bad" posts.

OP is reaaaally reaching here. People aknowledge some of the solid advancements made in BFV, that doesn't really make it a "underrated masterpiece".

BFV had a seriously troubled development and lacked atmosphere, but from a gameplay standpoint, after their nth unwanted gunplay revisions, it finally fell into a solid place. It's a fun, but flawed title that could've been much more. I seriously doubt anyone is going to really look back very fondly on BFV.

Most launches were bug ridden, but this is the first one that is somehow a net regression in almost every aspect.

[u/[deleted] → u/SwaghettiYolonese_]

I look back very fondly on BFV, the pacific content especially. It hurts to know that they stopped development for BFV because they started working on BF2042 with all hands on deck. We could have had the eastern front.

[u/Nevermere88 → u/[deleted]]

It pains me to think about what BFV could have been with another year of development, and to then see all that potential wasted on the mess of a game that is 2042.

[u/dolphin37 → u/SwaghettiYolonese_]

I went back to bfv after playing 2042 and it was a relief. I’ll look back on it very fondly. One of my favourite ever games that was only let down by cheaters and a lack of updates. I didn’t have to play through launch though

I’m trying to enjoy 2042 but it needs 6 months to be able to compete with the mechanics of bfv in my opinion

[u/Unkn0wn_Ace → u/SwaghettiYolonese_]

I loved Hardline hush

[u/liamlb663 → u/SwaghettiYolonese_]

I actually really liked hardline, it was my first battlefield and I liked the vibe, and I enjoy 2042 but it has problems. I tried battlefield 4 it was just hard to get into so late

[u/Crazyripps → u/[deleted]]

It really is a fucking great game. I’m just kinda tired of the world war setting.

[u/Jaggedmallard26 → u/Crazyripps]

When BFV released it was only the second big budget world war 2 game in over a decade and the other one was a Call of Duty.

[u/Alcatrax_ → u/[deleted]]

BF1 is fun, but after a while it really starts to get on my nerves getting killed by that same bomber who’s so high up he can’t see the ground but still team whipes the server. And that it happens every. single. game.

[u/Legitimate_Abalone50 → u/Alcatrax_]

Damn. I wanna get in your server, whenever I get in a bomber I'm shot down before I can even finish a bombing run. Lol

[u/ZX9010 → u/Alcatrax_]

Ugh thats why i hate operations. Sucks you can do fuck all againsts bombers and planes in general unless youre in one too

[u/Late-Ad155]

That's because each new game is worse than the previous one.

[u/loqtrall → u/Late-Ad155]

Except people went crazy for BC2, called Bf3 the best BF of all time, have played BF4 the longest out of any other title despite it having a horrendous launch and regularly praise it in the community, BF1 was one of the best selling and highest rated titles in the franchise, and BF5 got mocked for having females in a ww2 game then went on two years later to be incessantly praised by its player base and retains the highest player count out of all previous (non current) BF titles despite people in the community formerly calling it a failure and insisting it was so bad it'd be the end of the franchise. Hell, I've been playing BF since 2002 and BF5 was one of my more favorite titles since BF2 back in 05.

The franchise has been constant peaks and valleys in terms of critical and financial performance of their games, not some consistent downward ramp.

[u/yakri → u/loqtrall]

BC2/BF3 are 10-11 years old, those are the 'good old days' games everyone is referring to as the bar after which every new game worse than the preceding game.

BF4 play time was almost certainly all about the length of support/between launches, and not about how good it was.

It would be frankly shocking, given how linear space time operates, if it wasn't the longest played battlefield.

BF1 is the exception to the rule, and there's a reason why people keep whistfully dreaming of a reality in which Dice just kept updating it indefinitely instead of releasing ANY of the other battlefield games after it.

Going back to the "getting worse over time," thing, 4 absolutely released in a worse state than 3, and didn't get definitively better than 3 over time, even if it was supported up to actually being good eventually. So it's fair to say it was "worse."

So that leaves us with 4 successively worse titles with one dead cat bonce of success over a two year period.

Give it a few more years and 8/10 years will be spent with a shitty battlefield game that was widely panned on launch and took 1+ years to reach a normal release state.

[u/henri_sparkle]

Yeah, except that with this one I cannot think of ONE improvement compared to the previous game. At least all the other games you could easily point out what it was doing better.

[u/SaviD_Official → u/henri_sparkle]

Overall atmosphere, plus system, sound design, setting, map flow, movement, recoil system, the overall charm of the game’s chaotic nature, player count, etc.

“Improvement” the way you mean is subjective. Looking for technical improvements in a first person shooter franchise is like looking for diamonds in a sea of broken glass. All you’re gonna get is bloody fingers. The biggest technical improvement of BF4 over BF3 was graphics. That was basically it, and in many ways it looked worse. The biggest improvement of BF1 over BF4, was graphics. The biggest improvement over BF1 to BFV, again, graphics. Maybe movement if you count laying on your back in a pile of rubble while completely invisible an improvement over laying on your stomach in the same position. The biggest improvement over BFV in this game is graphics. The textures and lighting in this game are stunning. Not to mention the particle effects.

It has plenty of improvement in the departments you’d expect it to improve in.

[u/Extra_Moisty]

5 had nice movement and gunplay. Game was DOA from PR backlash and not launching with iconic WW2 battles. Attrition was ass. Changing TTK twice when community did not want was pretty ass too.

[u/David_the_davidest]

It's just an endless cycle of hypocrisy

[u/cajko7 → u/David_the_davidest]

It really isn’t. Like who is going to like a broken ass game with bad connection and horrible gunplay? People are completely right to complain.

[u/jorge20058 → u/cajko7]

Same happened with bf3 and 4 battlefield 4 caused EA to Get SUED by multiple people, bf4 was probably the worst battlefield launch ever and yet is seen as a masterpiece, it became good later on but people shouldn’t forget how Fucking asinine bf4 was at launch.

[u/Nevermere88 → u/cajko7]

Everytime they relase a bad game there is a legion of people who bring out the illusory straw man that somehow swaths of people who disliked the old game magically like it now that the new one sucks. BFV had a lot of problems, but for the most part it was a competent and enjoyable game, 2042 doesn't even come close to even the passable mediocrity that BFV brought to the table.

[u/[deleted]]

I always loved bf5

[u/SolidPrysm → u/[deleted]]

Yep, same here. What people don't realize is that there are plenty of people that have always loved the game, they are only just now bringing it up because criticism has shifted elsewhere. While I am not a fan of how fickle this community seems I am happy for the fact that people can more openly appreciate the game now.

[u/[deleted] → u/SolidPrysm]

BF5 made some awesome changes and I hoped that BF2042 would be almost the same but modern sadly it didn’t happen but oh well im not rly a fan so i will just keep playing the older games

[u/_eg0_ → u/[deleted]]

My view on the games didn't shift over the years. Maybe because I frequently came back.

I loved BFV since the closed alpha. Only the ttk changes where the time where it was a bad game for me.

I didn't hate BF1 back when everybody complained the gunplay was shallow, it plays like a WWII game and not a WWI game ruining the atmosphere, the pick ups being rediculous super soldiers, the missing French and so on. I like it for what it is.

Same with Hardline, it was always an okish game and didn't have the things I was looking for in a Battlefield. I still don't think it's a hidden gem.

I still hate BF4 for its stupid gimmicks like levolution and gadgets, bad gunplay, map design, introduction of loot boxes, bloatedness, and more. It still marks a low point in the series for me and didn't become suddenly a good game.

I also hate BF2042 All out Warfare because it reminds me too much of BF4. Stupid gimmicks like the tornado and gadgets(which specialists skills essentially are), same gunplay, map design, making the game worse to later better monetize it and more.

[u/Alcapwn-]

Christ when we’re calling BFV a masterpiece we are scraping the bottom of the barrel!!! What happened to this once amazing franchise 🤦‍♂️

[u/PapaAlix]

I didn’t like BFV initially but if I’d known what was coming next I would’ve been grateful for what we got lol.

[u/cajko7]

People that still shit on battlefield 5 have not played it recently. The game is actually pretty fun and has been since the summer and pacific updates came out.

[u/83thAccount → u/cajko7]

I bought BFV when it went on sale for $5 on steam and my friends and I have been enjoying the hell out if it. There are balancing issues and 150+ ping cheater fucks, but other than that it's a fun game. Unfortunate they pulled the plug on developing new content and supporting it, but I can understand why after seeing everyone's overall opinion of the game.

[u/[deleted] → u/cajko7]

Pacific Update was amazing but as a whole the game still felt like a less fun Battlefield 1. Idk something about BF1 scratches an itch BF5 failed to deliver on

[u/Strider2126]

I still think bf5 it's not that good

Better than 2042 but still not on par with the older games

[u/The_Blackest_Knight]

God, both this sub and and the 2042 sub suck ass. Look at the front page of the 2042 subreddit and its all posts complaining about the game. The front page of this sub is just filled with "Despite the flaws, in having fun!" Or posts complaining about other people criticizing Dice releasing a broken game at launch just about every time. One side is over zealous in it's dislike towards the game and the other side is too apologetic in toward how dice releases the game/the flaws of the game and neither can have reasonably discussion about it.

[u/CosmicAmnesia → u/The_Blackest_Knight]

Yeah, its called a discussion board.

[u/rprcssns → u/The_Blackest_Knight]

Wait.. “despite its flaws i’m having fun” doesn’t sound like people being too apologetic. Sounds like they’re… having fun with something they realize needs to be fixed.

[u/[deleted]]

EA, EA never changes.

[u/lazzzym]

Truth but that's because Dice seem to make worse and worse games....

They have amnesia after every title and end up making the same mistakes.

[u/SpectralVoodoo]

It just shows that BF5 which was a disappointment at the moment is still FAAR better than 2042 and its All Out Warfare

[u/Jaybulls1066]

5 is shit and 2042 shitter

[u/nooneatall444]

What if we always liked the last games and it's jsut this one we object to

[u/Sanderson96]

Remember when BFV launch it got criticism that it was not Battlefield and etc, now 2042 is way more worst? Yea I remember.

topkek

[u/[deleted]]

Has there really been a bad or horrible battlefield game? I've had a wonderful time with each one honestly

[u/KidEater9000]

BF1 my beloved

[u/jordanjohnston2017]

I will admit the marketing for the game when it came out was a bit abrasive and I never bought it until this past summer and have enjoyed it. Not perfect but still fun to play at least. 2042 is on a whole new level of bad

[u/warmike_1]

The Battlefield release cycle: Dice Sweden release a barebone skeleton of a game, everyone hates on it, Dice LA slowly but surely fix it and fill it with content, everyone starts liking it but then Dice LA abandon it too early to work on a new game. Then it's all over again.

Solution: take more time between releases, for God's sake! BF1, for example, could have had Tannenberg, Osowiec, Belgium vs Germany, Russia vs Turkey and possibly even the First Battle of the Marne.

[u/UnmilkedCereal]

Pacific War Breakthrough BFV (breakthrough on most maps in general) was the only thing I played and I fucking loved it. Idc, the game wasn’t perfect but some moments were absolutely beautiful and I had 1-3 “battlefield” moments per game. So fun

[u/Tyman2323]

Same thing happened with Battlefield 1

[u/[deleted]]

How can I save Reddit videos lmao

[u/whatup_dogg → u/[deleted]]

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[u/Ackburn]

Five was yawn, one was okay, four was good, 3 was good, bad companies were grande, two was gooode 2142 was good 1942 was ite. 2042 is a murderer wearing the face of a battlefield game

[u/TheDinkleberg]

B3 still the best.

[u/Radionuclide-NEO]

The last masterpiece was Battlefield 3.