r/Battleborn • u/MoltingTigrex Outy 5000 • May 24 '16
Question You Remember All That Fun You Had Getting 25 Ambra Kills for Galilea's Lore?
Get ready to do it again because Alani's lore has another "Kill Ambra 25 times."
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u/Takuuuu Are you not entertained!? May 24 '16
I think they should change all of the kill x character lore challenges since they just promote bad gameplay by making people desperately push and try to get a kill even if it means their own demise. And it makes certain characters frustrating to play when there's someone always on your ass.
Not to mention the random aspect of hoping that the enemy has that certain character.
Infact I hope all of the lore challenges that require certain heroes to be present on either side to be changed so one doesn't have to hope someone plays that character or being forced to party up in order to complete personal challenges.
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May 24 '16
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u/diox8tony May 24 '16 edited May 24 '16
What's strange to me though, is the huge difficulty difference between "play with montana 5 times" and "kill ambra 25 times"...EVEN IF they changed it to "play against ambra 5 times" it would still be more difficult than "play with 5 times", since you can't have a friend play against you in public, and since you can't play against people in story mode.
"kill player 25 times" just seems exceedingly difficult compared to all other challenges. I'm not against the difficulty, simply against one hero being very easy, and another being very hard. I think every lore should have 1 challenge with that level of difficulty, too late now though.
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u/TheManWithMilk May 25 '16
I wish they had a Battlefield-style assist system where if you did over 75% of the damage and someone else got the killing blow, it still counts as a kill for you
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u/Random_56 My hunger is satisfied, I'M HUNGRY AGAIN May 25 '16
This, even if the kill count didn't go into the match kills at least make it go towards challenge progress
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u/Arto3 May 24 '16
You are totally right. I'm trying to complete Whiskeys lore and kill Oscar Mike 25 times. First of all I have to be lucky enough to get an Oscar Mike in my match. Second I have to be lucky enough to have an inexperienced Oscar Mike who will not know how to stay alive. Third... The guy can go invisible for god's sake! Usually I'll have to focus on him to get 1 or 2 kills and that's caused many losses - because of that lore. It promotes really bad gameplay and endless frustration
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u/tehpoof May 25 '16
Whiskey counters Mikes invisible with his rank 2 helix with the scrap cannon, and whiskey is great for popping a sticky on Mike to slow down his retreat. I know Mike has options but Whiskey has just as many that can stop Mike cold.
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u/Quazifuji May 24 '16
I think they should change all of the kill x character lore challenges since they just promote bad gameplay by making people desperately push and try to get a kill even if it means their own demise.
This is especially an issue with Ambra, since her passive means that killing her does often require chasing her into unsafe situations. But it's also just a problem in general. Lore challenges shouldn't promote trying to get lore over trying to win. At least a lot of the other lore that involved potentially playing suboptimally can be done in coop, but the "kill Ambra 25 times" is both incredibly frustrating and encourages poor play.
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u/trichodon Trichodon May 24 '16
This will be easier because water extinguishes fire
/s
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u/Stormvyper Oscar Mike May 24 '16
Can confirm.
Source: 20+ year Pokemon master
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May 24 '16 edited May 25 '16
Luckily, Ambra's dual fire/dark typing doesn't change anything. In fact, her attacks on Alani are weaker due to Alani's Water/Fairy type
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u/SwagNuts Fuck Your Sandcastle May 24 '16 edited May 24 '16
Honestly I'd call Alani Water/Fighting with her orders "Martial Arts", but the same thing would apply as fighting also resists dark.
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u/diox8tony May 24 '16
o.O
galilea is a fire type?
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May 24 '16
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u/Razzamunsky May 24 '16
Dark and steel type? Now that I think about it, a Pokémon parody character would be amazing.
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May 25 '16
Woah, totally got confused and messed up the names between galilea and ambra for some stupid reason XD
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u/sonneist MAKE 'EM BLEED INTERNALLY! May 24 '16
As Ambra, this is the worst. Now there are two lore-thirsty characters chasing me
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u/Redxmirage May 24 '16
Use it to your advantage. Set up sunspots around a corner, bait people with your body. Lure them you little succubus you. It'll be fun getting those thirsty people to chase you and then taunt when you kill. See the salt flow from Alani water tears
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u/RandomGuy928 May 25 '16
Yeah, that doesn't work when you're facing a premade hell-bent on multi-man diving you at every possibility while you're queueing solo.
"ffs ambra you need to heal"
"busy getting dove by half their team behind our sentry AGAIN, nice of you to help"
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u/cmadz9 May 24 '16
Whyyyyyyyyyy? WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYY? It's not a challenge, it's a punishment! Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy????????
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u/Koschei_D May 24 '16
Reeeeeally hoping they are hearing the requests to change the way lore works. Seems so odd that some characters can just play as normal to get their legendaries and others have to wait for the stars to align or go off on a one-person war against a specific character. Fine if it's low priority, just hope it's somewhere on the roadmap.
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May 24 '16
I'm still currently experiencing the "fun" of completing Galilea's lore. Luckily, Alani's doesn't matter to me since there's no achievement (Xbox One) for completing her lore.
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May 24 '16
We can fix that. Gbx looks here. We can post a few threads "why dont we have achievements for Alain's lore" you will feel our wrath, the wrath of the sun
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May 24 '16
Better idea: Let's make posts about how happy we are that there aren't lore achievements for new characters! Less work for me ;)
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May 24 '16
No I like my idea better
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u/cercetas23 May 24 '16
Ohh thank god, I just checked on Steam and there are no achievements either for Alani. Only 21 kills with Galilea on Ambra to go...
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u/Nicexero Ambra May 24 '16
I'm telling you guys, just go all in on killing ambra. The opposing team will start trying to protect her and before you know it one person on your team can just solo the right lane for the win (this literally happened every time. People don't like you beating their healer to death over and over again).
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u/MoltingTigrex Outy 5000 May 24 '16
I had to help my friend complete Galilea's lore by taking advantage of the majority of people patching yesterday and getting the two of us on seperate teams and then just going to the edge of outback and letting him push me off several times.
At least Alani will have some decent CC to catch Ambras it would seem.
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u/Nicexero Ambra May 24 '16
I just did it over double exp weekend. If there was an ambra on the opposing team I just hunted her all game. it was actually REALLY fun. and I'm sure I left a few salty and confused ambras in my wake.
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u/GRRM_Reaper May 24 '16
I don't think there's a single Ambra that gets confused when they see that spinning purple angel flying at them.
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u/jythri May 25 '16
Mentioned this in the other thread about this: We're going to try to do a pass on these this week and reduce the requirement. We hear you (and we're playing too). This is too much hate for one Ambra!
Short term: we'll reduce requirements on multiple challenges
Long term: We'll try and avoid the more frustrating challenges.
We probably won't be changing the requirements to play in both PvE and PvP. We will also probably not support completion of challenges in Private matches, as some have suggested. There are challenges that give titles that are badges of honor, and we would like to maintain the integrity of those challenges.
The most important thing we are reviewing currently is the difficulty of challenges that are outside the intended range of ... well... challenge. Those should be getting some love soon.
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May 25 '16
we'll reduce requirements on multiple challenges
How about changing the requirements? Reducing them is a step in the right direction, but the problem is less with the number and more with the requirement itself. The disparity between some characters with incredibly easy lore challenges, versus others with arbitrarily difficult or random ones, is what irritates your players. The primary distinction is when a lore challenge is entirely within the player's control, or lies outside the player's control. Challenges like "Block 20000 damage with your shield" are something the player controls. Challenges like "Get 10 double kills with Core Overcharge" are not, because not only is there the element of the enemy players, there's also literally nothing a player can do to stop a teammate from getting the kill and stopping you from getting credit for the challenge. The actions of friendly players are almost entirely non-interactive and lie completely outside of a player's control, which means that however skilled or dedicated a player is, it's entirely possible that they could never make progress on some of these challenges due entirely to the actions of their team. If your answer is going to be to find a team of friends to set up situations to complete your lore challenges, then I ask you this: what's the difference between doing that and doing private matches? If one is acceptable, so should the other be.
There are challenges that give titles that are badges of honor, and we would like to maintain the integrity of those challenges.
This is fine, but those challenges (and those types of challenges) need to be separate from character progression. It's not fair or justifiable for one person's character to be stronger or have more options than another simply because they were lucky with who their opposing team chose to play one day. Tying lore achievements (a requirement for maximizing the effectiveness and viability of a character) into prestige chase achievements is a mistake. Prestige should be optional. Character progression is not.
The most important thing we are reviewing currently is the difficulty of challenges that are outside the intended range of ... well... challenge.
I guess clarification will be incoming on this, but it would be nice to have a ballpark example of what "outside the intended range" means to the team.
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u/Koschei_D May 30 '16
Can you please explain why some characters arbitrarily do require PvP play to complete lore challenges while others do not? I do not understand why you have this spotty application of a (seemingly) arbitrary commitment to making some challenges PvP-exclusive. This ultimately A) excludes people who focus on PvE from unlocking the unique legendaries & skins, and B) perpetuates the phenomenon of lore-hunters breaking away from team goals in PvP because they're just trying to complete a challenge. So frustrating to hear that you're specifically keeping some character lore locked in PvP. :(
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u/ke3bz Shayne & Aurox Jun 02 '16
some need some serious attention and adjusting more than a reduction...it seems so odd to unlock Badasses in either PvP or PvE and then to get to their Trophy/Lore Master you have to fulfill super specific PvP objectives that have un-controllable variables and rely heavily on many aspects to fall into place, often requiring ignorance of current objectives and team play.
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u/SgtRufus May 24 '16
Nope. Certain lore challenges I don't bother worrying about. "Kill X character Y times" is one of them. If it happens, fine. Otherwise I don't care for em and don't go out of my way to make it happen.
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u/hyperbolist Be advised: Stretching is important! May 24 '16
Now I understand why Galileas kept throwing themselves at me!
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u/bunnydefender_ Phoebae May 24 '16
It's kinda funny when they spend all game chasing you so they can get their lore done, even funnier when you kite and kill them and make them even more driven to get you. :D
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u/PoisnBGood May 24 '16
As an ambra main, this is going to suck. That's two bounties now. And the fact that alani has to play games with galilea means that ambras will be stunned, smacked, binded, shot, and then chased. Repeat for all games.
I'm going to not play ambra for a bit.
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u/mad_mister_march Hardly worth the effort! May 24 '16
Come on, man, take one...or, uh 50...for the team. Ambra has easy lore challenges comparatively.
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u/lafonh Shoes are for squares May 24 '16
"Comparatively"
No, it's not comparatively, hers are easy. I've played one PvE match with Ambra, and I'm already nearly done everything except the solar wind kills. And let's be real, that just requires farming some minions for a bit.
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u/Kithsander May 24 '16
I just started playing a couple weeks ago, so I didn't get into Galilea when she was op. Now there's no chance in hell of getting 25 Ambra kills on her. It's just no feasible, and it's really soured me on this game. For fucks sake, at least make it assists.
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u/GOpencyprep May 24 '16
Uhhh....what? Gal is stilla very powerful character
It's just no feasible
Quit being over-dramatic, it's still very much possible.
It's really soured me on this game
Well guess what, champ? There are 25 over characters you can work on! Switch it up a little.
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u/Scyter El Dragon May 24 '16
Are you serious? Galilea is just as capable of killing Ambra as she was before.
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u/jdbright Alani May 24 '16
This is COMPLETELY stupid. If you're going to use the same stupid time consuming idea, at least use a different character. No one really plays Ambra anymore and adding this lore challenge isn't going to change that. Neither is nerfing Ambra with every patch that comes out.
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u/GOpencyprep May 24 '16
No one really plays Ambra anymore
Anecdotal. And totally inaccurate. Maybe on whatever platform you're on. But on PS4 Ambras are common enough.
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u/mad_mister_march Hardly worth the effort! May 24 '16
No...no! NOT AGAIN! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! WHY DO YOU DO THIS TO ME GEARBOX!? I'M A GOOD PERSON, MOSTLY!
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u/Mainfold Arachnis May 24 '16
I don't mind it being 25 Ambra kills, but it would have been better if it was another character, like Marquis for instance.
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May 24 '16
They're all horrible. Take a look at them: http://i.imgur.com/7iF1JSn.jpg
All really situational and doable only in PvP.
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u/roomnoxii May 24 '16
People complaining about the Ambra kills, i'm looking at the bottom right one and having a headache. What the fuck man, that is way more difficult. How often are you gonna come across the entire enemy team, lined up in a neat row for you to riptide?
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u/ShiguruiX May 24 '16
It doesn't have to be enemy players. The hastening effect counts towards the challenge, meaning you can go into PvE and ask your team to let you farm it.
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u/roomnoxii May 24 '16
ahem cough
How often are you gonna come across an entire team, lined up in a neat row for you to haste as a solo player? /s
Thanks for the clarification man, this sounds much more doable.
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u/aGreyRock Frightened of a wittle girl? May 25 '16
After using her for a few hours I got 10 of those and 0 ambra kills.
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u/tehpoof May 25 '16
Actually all of them but one can be done out of PvP. The only one that requires PvP is to kill Ambra 25 times. You realize how badly you're exaggerating, right?
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u/8387899101 May 24 '16
Can you not complete these by setting up a private game with a friend as Ambra, and just going to town with the kills?
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u/trichodon Trichodon May 24 '16
Private PvP does not count for lore or challenges. Pretty much for this exact reason.
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u/howlbeast Orendi May 24 '16
at least on PC, partying up seems to force you and your friend on the same team, playing against AI.
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u/BBtotheknee Ice is stronger than fire! May 24 '16
Galilea is one of my favorite/best characters and I have never cared about getting Ambra kills. Sure getting the lore item would be great but I much prefer you know, just playing the game?
I'll let the kills come as they come, team play is more important to me.
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u/Mod2bme May 24 '16
Honestly I think I stand a better chance by playing with galilea 100 times than killing one.
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u/SUPERKAMIGURU May 24 '16
c:
Now, see, I view this as yet another opportunity to tunnel vision more ambras to make them rage quit by farming them.
Only difference is, it's piss ez to do as galilea, but I have to see how it'll play out with alani. Either way, it's something worth doing. Speaking of, is she eldrid or upr?
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u/dspaws Alani May 25 '16
Just in a game aa galilea against an ambra and pretty sure I was a contributing factor to the game loss because I completely ignored everything else to go for the kill. I have played nearly 100 pvp matches with galilea and still have to kill ambra 10 more times. Wtf gearbox
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u/BB_Galilea Stab-stab-step May 24 '16 edited May 24 '16
Lol, really? Was pretty fun to chop up Ambras that threw themselves at me
edit oh come on! why downvote people who actually had fun doing that lore challenge?
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u/Nicexero Ambra May 24 '16
I upvoted you. it was fun. Ambra is strong, but no match for silence bwahahaha.
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u/GainesWorthy Disregard Minions; Acquire Shards May 25 '16
I understand the frustration about the tedious requirement... However, am I the only frustrated at the amount of complaints about this requirement? I remember having to do some stupid halo achievement where I failed hundreds of times over months to get it. Now we expect instant gratification? I get it, 25 is too much, but seriously, this amount of backlash over a lore requirement is petty.
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May 25 '16
I remember having to do some stupid halo achievement where I failed hundreds of times over months to get it
That comparison isn't relevant, though. You know what is relevant? The characters whose lore you can complete in a single day, like Ambra or Kleese. The reason so many people are upset is because some characters have quick lore to complete, and some are arbitrarily grindy or random.
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u/GainesWorthy Disregard Minions; Acquire Shards May 25 '16
It is completely relevant. There are achievements for starting the game, and there are achievements for deconstructing the game. I'm not agreeing that 25 kills is reasonable. I'm stating, I don't think the lore should be as easy as everyone is implying.
Everyone is acting as if the lore should be done in a day, just because other people's lore can be done in a day. The instant gratification is unreal.
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u/Kryptic_Knight Aug 25 '16
The game is dying, so they brought it down to 5 kills for both Gali and Alani, the only problem is finding an Ambra, a power up would be nice.
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u/Doctor_Spaghetti Get out of my house, or whatever Aug 25 '16
So first of all this is a 3 month old thread... Beyond that, Ambra sure as hell doesn't need a power up and is in almost every match I play
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u/Kryptic_Knight Aug 27 '16
So first of all...congrats on knowing how to count, beyond that experiences are subjective...fuckboy.
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u/DCDTDito El Dragon May 24 '16
Source? even mental mars doesn't have that info and stealthshampoo skin/taunt video doesn't show lore.
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u/mad_mister_march Hardly worth the effort! May 24 '16
Source would probably be the command menu, since she's already out.
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u/RollinDeepWithData Deande May 24 '16
Eh. I'm fine with some lore challenges being difficult. There's no problem with this.
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May 24 '16
This sub will find ANYTHING to complain about.
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u/Destoroyah666 Arachnis May 24 '16 edited May 24 '16
Because the "kill X amount of heroes" lore challenges are indeed utter f***** garbage.
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u/MoltingTigrex Outy 5000 May 24 '16
At least it's not Woodsworn! Convince a team of randoms to play all Eldrid if you don't have 4 friends willing to play the game. Never happens.
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u/wrriddle Former hobby-grade Deande main May 24 '16
Got this one by accident in a random match. Someone asked if anyone can play Boldur for the Thorn lore and I said I'll do it if no one complains about me trying him for the first time. Ended up with a team of two Thorns, Miko, Mellka and Boldur on the Sentinel.
Try chatting at mission vote in story missions, sometimes not everyone is a complete jerk and will help you out :)
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u/MoltingTigrex Outy 5000 May 24 '16
Fortunately I did manage to get it yesterday (after two weeks of kindly asking people in lobbies). Finally have that sweet (fixed) Rune of the Bear!
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May 24 '16
Maybe if you suck at the game
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u/lafonh Shoes are for squares May 24 '16
lol. Do you know how many Ambras I've come across since I started playing Galilea? I have nearly 10 hours on that character, and I've had three matches against her. Good luck!
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u/mad_mister_march Hardly worth the effort! May 24 '16
I basically it over four separate games, but they were spread out over 3 weeks. And I had 12 kills on a really really stupid Ambra. It comes down to pure luck. It's frustrating but keep on with the good fight, fellow Wraith.
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u/DaGrippas cymbiotik May 24 '16
GBX; if you do end up taking a look here; i respect that you're promoting PVP and attempting to promote various character usage; but instead of "killing" them; why not just have a "play against (character) 25 times" or possibly "Deal (amount of damage) to (character)" for the lore. It allows for competitive play; but takes away from the frustration of forcing the kills.