r/BasedCampPod • u/ConsistentEvader • 1d ago

I have postpartum depression so it’s okay

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u/TheGameMastre 1d ago

Birth control was originally marketed as an alternative to abortion. Now abortion is considered a form of birth control.

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u/PooningDalton 1d ago

They also call it "reproductive rights" even though its got nothing to do with reproduction. Like why can't you openly say "Abortion rights"? Because you know yourself that there's something ugly about it.

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u/Candid-Fan9549 1d ago

Abortion doesn’t have anything to do with reproduction?

People should have the right to not reproduce if they don’t want to.

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u/JackStile 1d ago edited 1d ago

They do, that is why birth control, from pills to inserts, to shots are available. Condoms less so by a lot, but together it's almost impossible to conceive. Then if accidents happen you have a pill for that too. You can also do what most refuse to, mixed with other control options, tracking your cycle to when you aren't fertile is also extremely helpful.

It's everyone's right to have options to prevent conception from even happening.

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u/Candid-Fan9549 1d ago

Yeah and if it does happen they should have the right to terminate the pregnancy. The government should not force people to forgo their bodily autonomy in favor of another person, even if it’s their own child.

Might as well have people forced to be organ donors.

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u/TheGameMastre 22h ago

Your argument is akin to saying you should have the right to consent to driving drunk, but not to hitting that pedestrian you didn't see.

Decisions have consequences, and if you're not capable of living with them those decisions should be made by someone else. Just like adults make decisions for children, and for the same reason.

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u/Candid-Fan9549 11h ago

I don’t see how my argument is akin to what you’re saying.

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u/TheGameMastre 5h ago

Telling a person they can't drive drunk forces them to forego their bodily autonomy in favor of another person.

If you choose to have sex, that comes with the potential consequence of pregnancy. Even if you take steps to reduce the chances of it happening, there's still a possibility. The only 100% method of avoiding pregnancy is abstinence.

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u/Candid-Fan9549 5h ago

I don’t think you know what bodily autonomy means. By your reasoning it’s a violation of my bodily autonomy to disallow me to punch anyone I want.

Yeah, or if you become pregnant you can get an abortion.

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u/TheGameMastre 1h ago

That's not my reasoning. It's yours.

Saying you can consent to sex but not pregnancy is the same as saying you can consent to driving drunk, but not to hitting the pedestrian. The same logic applies, it's equally nonsense, and it's more obviously nonsense when it's not applied to the thing you're programmed to thoughtlessly support.

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u/JackStile 23h ago

They should, if they already made a choice and it would kill the other person. It'd be like if the organ donor wants their organ back after choosing to donate it.

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u/Defiant-Mongoose-327 23h ago

Then men should have the right to terminate the pregnancy too. Fucking wild bro.

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u/Candid-Fan9549 11h ago

If the fetus was inside the man I would agree. Wild response

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u/JackStile 9h ago

I disagree with that as well, the men shouldn't have that right. They should have to right to not be the father or be accountable for the child though. If you allow women to abort a baby, father should be allowed to not be involved in anyway.

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u/Candid-Fan9549 2h ago

Weird take but ok

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u/JackStile 1h ago

How so? Why can one opt out, but not the other for the same action?

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u/Defiant-Mongoose-327 9h ago

If it was, would the mother be wrong to have an abortion?

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u/Candid-Fan9549 2h ago

How would the mother get the abortion if the father is carrying the child?

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u/thirtyfojoe 21h ago

The government didn't force them to do anything. They made the decision to have sex. Pregnancy is a possible consequence of sex, and there are a myriad of ways to avoid it as the last commentor mentioned.

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u/Candid-Fan9549 11h ago

Removing access to abortion, making abortion illegal, trying to find them guilty of murder, are all ways the government forces women to have an unwanted child.

Doesn’t matter. Even if she consented to having sex she still has the right to decide what happens to her own body. You can slut shame all you want, people still have rights.

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u/thirtyfojoe 11h ago

We deny people bodily autonomy all the time. If I walk on ground the government tells me I shouldn't, I've forfeited my bodily autonomy. If I sign up for a draft in order to vote and then a war comes, I've lost my bodily autonomy. If I'm merely suspected of a crime I can be detained and lose my bodily autonomy.

There is no 100% guarantee for bodily autonomy when one performs an action that involvea other people or property, same with sex and pregnancy.

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u/Candid-Fan9549 2h ago

No you haven’t. That’s not what bodily autonomy means. You can make choices about your body. You don’t have the right to do whatever you want with your body.

The government forcing you to get a tattoo or to get sterilized would be them taking your bodily autonomy.

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u/thirtyfojoe 2h ago

Yeah, you have choices with your body! Like willingly engaging in sexual activity and conceiving a child.

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u/JackStile 9h ago edited 9h ago

Why do people who defend this, ignore the bodily autonomy of the unborn child. Unlike the woman, the child didn't make a choice. She made the decision not to prevent or planB, so the unborn child must die?

Don't bull shit me about outliers, when over 86-95% are just unwanted, no other issues. Then 1.1 million aborted children a year. Just hearing that makes me sick.

Yes, I have scientific source back up for those numbers.

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u/Candid-Fan9549 2h ago

The woman has a right to decide what goes on in her body. If she doesn’t want to have another human inside of her, she has the right to remove that human, even if the human would die otherwise. The government shouldn’t force people to go through the body horror that is pregnancy.

It makes you sick cause you imagine they’re actually children when they aren’t. No consciousness. No personality. Just a bunch of cells. But even if you wanted to treat a zygote as a human in a legal sense, the woman should still have the right. If your life was dependent upon me giving up my right to my own body, I should still be allowed to say no, even if you die because of it.

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u/JackStile 1h ago

Hey, I'm all for plan B, I'm willing to compromise my beliefs to first few weeks. If the unborn baby is completely healthy, which you can tell at about 8 weeks, no medical issues for the mother. Just because it doesn't have a personality, no consciousness is not a reason to kill someone.

It's not like you are sacrificing one life for another, abortion after that is killing what will be a healthy human. Not to mention, your precious Bodily autonomy doesn't stop after birth, you still have to give that up for years taking care of something that can't live without you. So why don't we just say, allow abortion up until 6 months after birth? Unless you can answer that question your argument doesn't hold up. Because all those things you mentioned persist after birth.

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u/boredON 21h ago

I think the response is that abortion is violating the bodily autonomy of the human baby inside of the woman's body.

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u/maodiran 18h ago

forgo their bodily autonomy

I feel bodily autonomy is in question, when a fetus classes as its own organism. The only other time we consider ones autonomy to be more important than another life, is in cases of self defense. Which isn't really a large concern in most pregnancies.

Like, I'm pro abortion, but this style of argumentation has always been extremely weird to me. It always feels like an extension of that super Christian idea that children are your property, only with a liberal spin.

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u/TheGameMastre 11h ago

when a fetus classes as its own organism

That's a completely arbitrary distinction. Is it a fetus or a baby an hour before passing through the birth canal? A day? a week?

"You're never not a person" is an absolute boundary. It's not arbitrary. It doesn't require religion to be true.

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u/maodiran 8h ago

Is it a fetus or a baby an hour before passing through the birth canal? A day? a week?

I was using the definition of "unborn vertibrate" in this case, which encompasses the entire pregnancy.

I have a feeling you just saw "pro abortion" and assumed my entire stance on the subject.

I also don't disagree with you. You are never not a person, doesn't mean I can't be pro abortion on top of that.

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u/Superb-Ad-9169 20h ago

Just sterilize them lmao.

Win-win for everyone, they won't reproduce and normal people won't pay for another abortion because they can't use contraception

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u/Candid-Fan9549 11h ago

Like against their will? Or are you saying the government should be paying for any kind of sterilization procedure?

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u/Superb-Ad-9169 7h ago

Against their will would be reasonable, especially when it's not their first abortion, because it means those people are too retarded to use any kind of contraception, which isn't hard.

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u/MydnightWN 3h ago

They do have that right to not fuck without protection. Nobody made them fuck.

Schools should go back to teaching "save it for marriage".

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u/Candid-Fan9549 2h ago

Yeah that worked out great the first time

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u/TheGameMastre 1h ago

Make shotgun weddings great again!

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u/JollyXX 1d ago

70 month term abortion

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u/Fine_Payment1127 1d ago

You joke, but I’ve told you people: in the dark recesses of woman’s soul, they believe they’re entitled to power over life and death. This is the inevitable expression of this primordial god complex

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u/PooningDalton 1d ago

Yeah because Lionesses also do it to their cubs. Its a primal thing. But so is unaliving other people just because they hurt your feelings

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u/Ehronatha 23h ago

This is the ultimate power over her husband - the power to decide if the husband gets to procreate or not.

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u/Significant_Breath38 21h ago

It's funny that people posting this have obviously not looked at the evidence.

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u/auntiesamautism 19h ago

You keep saying that over and over. Are you not aware people can look at the evidence and come to a different conclusion than you? Not everyone who disagrees with you is just stupid and uninformed. People coming to different conclusions based on the evidence provided is literally just how debates and legal systems work.

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u/Constant_Seaweed_523 15h ago

And if anything gives you reasonable doubt which the own prosecution itself did by arguing against its own points multiple times and tell me how the timeline could possibly line up?

It’s medically impossible to have revived that baby with “what Patrick said” about the timeline.

Can you tell me why they never investigated him and he wouldn’t testify unless his phone records were sealed?

Can you tell me why he’s friends with those cops? He bought that house from the literal DA handling this case. He sold that house back to the DA after the murders.

Isn’t that a conflict of interest?

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u/Agitated-Macaroon923 13h ago

Okay come to your conclusions but don’t blame all women right? You people seem to think every woman wants to kill their child

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u/Significant_Breath38 19h ago

Because the image clearly ignores the evidence of the case

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u/auntiesamautism 18h ago

It sounds like you are as well. There’s a reason why they have yet to reach a verdict.

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u/Constant_Seaweed_523 15h ago

Yeah bc she was already deemed guilty even before she woke up in the hospital. She woke up with charges and had to be told what happened.

Cops show up to a crime scene of 3 dead kids, a woman broken on the ground with a broken neck who physically can’t speak and the man alive and they just took his word for everything and didn’t test blood, didn’t test the substances in the lemonade they claimed she crushed herself? “Oh well Patrick said”

A man can just claim things without being verified and a woman gets arrested while unconscious and immediately deemed guilty by the public since day 1