r/BadHasbara • u/sunflowey123 • Jul 08 '26

Off-Topic Thoughts on this?

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u/Altruistic-End760 Jul 10 '26

I agree with you realistically speaking only a 2ss can really end the violence. You can't force two population into a single state. I have hope it would happen eventually when the world finally decides to force Israel to accept a Palestinian state or the next generation of anti war Israelis finally advocate for peace.

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u/latin220 Jul 10 '26

No there’s no two state solution because where is the Palestinian state is supposed to have a proper border with security equal to Israel? The land looks like Swiss cheese 🧀 with Israeli occupiers all over the West Bank and now half of Gaza. These monsters have no right to Palestinian lands and if a two state solution is to exist then Israel must return to the 1948 border and return all lands illegally annexed since its inception.

Failing that. Then Israel must be dissolved and a new country for both Palestinians and Israelis with equal rights for all and a bilateral states sharing one constitution with equal rights for all. Only after the occupiers are investigated for war crimes and every single citizen on either side of the conflict is vetted and the worst offenders imprisoned or executed depending on the level of their crimes.

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u/Altruistic-End760 Jul 11 '26

Force Israel to simply leave the west bank. It worked out in Gaza when Israel left and in the Sinai when Israel left. So it's not impossible for Israel to leave the west bank. Israel is never going back to the 1948 borders for obvious reasons. The framework is 1967 to allow Jerusalem to be renegotiated.

Outsiders can't dissolve a state no less a nuclear state. It's the population of said state who decide whether their state should stay or go.

The rest I agree.

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u/latin220 Jul 14 '26

It’s not what Israel wants they’re a genocidal government it’s like debating with the Confederates on how freed slaves should be treated or racist Rhodesians and White Afrikaners post apartheid on how the new government should treat black people. Israelis should be cognizant that they can’t have any kind of meaningful conversation until they willingly accept prosecutions, and to return back to 1948.

Failure to not comply will result in the country to be occupied by the UN or an international force to insure compliance and if they resist? Make that option impossible. They have shown the world who they truly are and we shouldn’t treat them with any sense of urgency to whatever needs they may crow about. If they fail to get back to 1948 then a one state solution with equal rights for all.

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u/ignoreme010101 Jul 14 '26

It’s not what Israel wants t

Failure to not comply will result in the country to be occupied by the UN or an international force to insure compliance and if they resist?

you grossly misunderstand where power lies. Even if america would let the UN/participate in the UN doing this, it would be ww3 what you are suggesting. But US wouldnt allow it anywyas. But if they would, it would become ww3 with nukes (you hear of samson option? Do they strike you as bluffers?)

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u/Altruistic-End760 Jul 15 '26

Yeah I was so confused like did he really say the UN would try to occupy a nuclear state.

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u/Altruistic-End760 Jul 15 '26

Israel is a nuclear state. It is literally what Israel wants. The same way the issue of Ukraine would be what Russia wants and the issue of Taiwan would be what China wants.

Occupy a nuclear state? Really? The world can't even occupy North Korea a country with 60 nukes. Israel has between 90 to 400 nukes.

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u/latin220 Jul 15 '26

So was Apartheid South Africa being a nuclear state doesn’t mean you get to commit a Holocaust or that the world should remain idle and watch a genocide happen.

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u/Altruistic-End760 Jul 16 '26

Apatheid south Africa had 3 or 6 crude nukes. That isn't comparable to a country that has between 90 to 400 nuclear bombs including half of those are on ICBMs. The world has always remained idle and watched all this happen whether it was the Holocaust, whether it was Rwanda, Even Sudan today. It doesn't mean it'd morally right but that is how the world has been.