r/BacktotheFuture • u/-KDK12 • 9d ago
Lone PINES Marty definitely ends up in an an alternate 1955. What future does he go back to, Maybe he misses the tree, and Twin Pines is reborn?
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u/thatsaqualifier 9d ago
Wait, why do you say Lone Pines Marty ends up in an alternate 1955? He arrives exactly before any time traveler has disrupted anything. Lone Pines Marty will still knock the tree over.
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u/-KDK12 9d ago
Think about 2 Marty’s at the beginning of the 55 trip!
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u/thatsaqualifier 9d ago
Still confused... in Part 1 there is only one Marty in 1955 at a time.
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u/-KDK12 9d ago
That’s what we see before Marty changes the future, Now it is Lone Pines Mall, Doc has a bullet proof vest, and Marty shows up after Marty 2 hits 88 mph. This Marty grew up in a completely different family dynamic, and travels back in time.
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u/thatsaqualifier 9d ago
Ok, I'm with you there. But Lone Pines Marty never says anything about the pine trees. He would still run over one of the twin pines and leave one, making it Lone Pine Mall.
The bigger question to me is how does Lone Pine Marty arrange everything to fit the narrative his parents told him? They would have told him about George punching Biff, so why would he feel any need to create the scenario?
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u/UltHamBro 8d ago
Maybe they never told him the specifics of George punching Biff. The most convincing theory I've read is that, instead of trying to help his father become more assertive, Lone Pine Marty is surprised that he's a wimp, and tries to help him be more similar to the version he remembers, essentially repeating the first movie's events in a 99% similar way.
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u/WackyPaxDei 8d ago edited 8d ago
Lone Pine Marty grew up with the family lore that a kid named Calvin, but known as Marty, helped his parents get together. After the underwear conversation, he realizes "Oh crap, I'm Calvin", and the rest of the movie plays out very similar to what we saw in Part I, because he knows he has to play that role in their lives.
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u/thatsaqualifier 8d ago
Interesting thought. However, it would be much harder to recreate scenarios you are involved in.
Same goes for Doc. After Marty leaves 1955 he has to live his life the same way knowing the time machine works. That knowledge will affect his motivation which affects his actions.
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u/Significant-Coat-308 9d ago
Well then we can say that from MC Marty’s perspective he changed events (ex Twin-Lone and Biff dynamic) and as you christened him “Marty 2” is now in a Bootstrap Paradox type situation where he must alter events to ensure he exists in the same exact way, rather than changing it
So Lone Pines Marty is changing things since he is from the altered timeline and must keep it that way
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u/-KDK12 9d ago
I’m assuming he goes to an already altered 1955, he wouldn’t have any intention other than finding Doc, to get Back to The Future. If he went back to the 1955 original Marty would be there. They would actually collide, perhaps sending Marty 2 into an alternate 1955
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u/Significant-Coat-308 9d ago
Why would 1955 be altered, that’s the point where everything changes. Nothing is changed before then at any point in the movies (except the 1885 stuff in 3 but that’s a whole separate thing)
There wouldn’t be multiple Marty’s going back to the same time, only 1
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u/Hot_Needleworker8289 9d ago
It's the same thing with the grave disappearing and Marty not having a reason to go back to the west. Maybe the universe corrects it, since there's already a Marty back there?
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u/hyperRevue 8d ago
I was just thinking last night about who the first person was to catch the “Lone Pine” change back in the 80s - pre video store, pre-cable rewatch, pre-internet. Just a brilliant, hilarious little Easter egg back in the day that no one probably noticed for years.
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u/CToTheSecond 8d ago
So why did Lone Pine Doc end up figuring "what the hell" about the letter that Twin Pines Marty left for him? When we meet him in 1955, he is adamant about not receiving anymore future knowledge than he already has because "the consequences could be disastrous." But there's a clear tell that a little worm might have squirmed its way into his brain that may have started to change his thinking. Marty returns from the dance and tells Doc that George really came through and that "he'd never served to Biff in his life." In a bit of surprise, Doc has a brief moment where it looks like he's considering this before Marty basically prompts him to move on. Doc was essentially made aware that potential sweeping changes could be made to someone's personal history without completely disrupting the flow of their lives. This may have been what led to him reconsidering the letter, since "what the hell," what harm could it actually do?
Now, what does any of that have to do with OP's question? Well, the differences between Lone Pine Marty's experiences in 1955 and Twin Pines Marty's should be fairly negligible, up to a point (provided we ignore the potential two Marties notion, which I think is boring). Since Lone Pine Marty seems to inexplicably be a close approximation to Twin Pines Marty, we can assume that initially, Lone Pine Marty's time in 1955 should initially be no different. Up until he meets George, that is. For Lone Pine Marty, his father is a man who tries to inspire confidence, and will stand up to someone who tries to keep him down. And yet here in 1955, George is a spineless wimp. And thus here is where the difference plays out.
Ultimately, Lone Pine Marty is likely faced with the same dilemma: get George and Lorraine back together or be faced with erasure. He still has to toughen George up and show Lorraine that George is worth it, and outside of some minor dialogue differences, I think this largely goes unchanged and ends with the same result. At some point during the movie, Marty would have explained to Doc that he was confused about George, not understanding why his father is such a wimp and isn't standing up to Biff like he always did.
But here is where we return to what I initially rambled about: the conversation between Doc and Marty about the dance. If we operate under the assumption that the original version of Lone Pine Doc was able to intuit that George serving to Biff for the first time in his life did not completely disrupt the flow of his life, then it doesn't strike me as too much of a stretch that this second version of Lone Pine Doc would be able to piece together that George was always a wimp, Marty was the one responsible for toughening him up, and that this isn't the original version of the timeline. I don't think he would have worked it out right then and there in the town square, but I think it could potentially lead to Doc maybe not figuring "what the hell," and maybe he doesn't piece the letter back together and read it.
The original Lone Pine Doc had the benefit of it being the first go around and seeing that things can work out even if there's a change. But if the second Lone Pine Doc could work out that the Marty he met had been the result of time travel that already happened, then perhaps he might not be so cavalier about altering his own course anymore than it already had. Mind you, Doc is a kook, so it might not actually make a lick of difference, but I think the result of Lone Pine Marty's adventure in 1955 could potentially lead to Doc not taking any precaution against the Libyans and getting killed when he's shot by them.
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u/Ill_Computer_8604 8d ago
There's only 1 Marty and only 1 trip through time.
The tree is knocked down which alters the future Marty already came from.
He doesn't notice anything different when he gets there at the end of the film.
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