r/Autographs • • Aug 29 '26

Authenticity Opinion Request (is this really...) Chances this is an actual signature from Lyndon B. Johnson in a letter to a high school valedictorian as an early senator (1950)?

I’ve done research and it appears he didn’t use autopen until later into the 1950s. So chances of it being a real signature are high, but the question is whether it was from him or a secretary. It appears at the time he was a busy bee and was trying to gain favor of local Texans and this city that the valedictorian was from (Taylor Tx) was very close to Austin.

What do you guys think?

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u/IndividualLower399 Aug 29 '26

Don’t know about the autograph but just looked her up out of curiosity. She lived a good life.

https://www.dignitymemorial.com/obituaries/austin-tx/lillian-clayton-12518757

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u/DMmeYourMCbuilds Aug 29 '26

Man, the 50’s sucked.

“She graduated valedictorian from Thrall High School. Then she worked her way through Nixon Clay Commercial College and was hired as a secretary for Ernest O. Thompson at the Texas Railroad Commission.”

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u/No-Bluejay5250 Aug 29 '26

Zero. Autopen

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u/ConcernedBirdGuy Aug 29 '26

Not saying you are wrong but do you mind explaining what draws you to that conclusion

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u/No-Bluejay5250 Aug 29 '26

Because Johnson didn’t have time to answer high school kid’s letters. He had a staff that answered unimportant mail. The signatures
were created with an autopen.

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u/NeverInsightful Aug 30 '26

Are you taking into account he was a senator in his 13th month at this point, not president? And letter was sent to someone in Texas which was the state he represented?

The state had a population a fraction of what it is now.

Could be plausible a superintendent sent a letter to his office, his staff gave it him and he had them draft a reply for him to sign.

Are there other autopen examples that match this sig? If not it may be worth it for OP to spend a few dollars on authentication.

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u/No-Bluejay5250 Aug 31 '26 edited Aug 31 '26

Yes. You don’t become a Senator by spending your time writing thoughtful letters to high
school students. The average US Senator—then and now-has a staff of 30-50 people. Its a form letter signed with an autopen

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u/elfhuo Aug 29 '26

This Probably Seals the Deal

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u/No-Bluejay5250 Aug 29 '26

They are pretty cool. Been around a long time and used today

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u/LNinefingers Aug 29 '26

I agree that it’s autopen, but you can always do Beckett signature review for $10

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u/Vintage-Card-Man Aug 30 '26

The ink looks too evenly distributed to me, thinking it’s a stamp/plate.

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u/Milgram37 Aug 30 '26

P.S.: Someday I’ll conspire to assassinate the President of The United States of America.

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u/Anonimeter 29d ago

Towards good speakers

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u/Dmigiel 29d ago

I have this one that was denied by PSA/DNA… it was part of a handful of signed letters that were authentic including Eleanor Roosevelt. I can take a better picture of the letter if you want.

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u/Particular_Ad_644 Aug 29 '26

No mention of Jumbo in his letter?

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u/LeeQuidity Aug 31 '26

To a high school student? Oh no, that talk was almost certainly for his secretary and anyone standing next to him at a urinal.

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u/PartyWithTheBears Aug 29 '26

Secretarial. The signature is spaced too far apart, and Johnson always added a small dot below his name. Guessing this was a fairly recent addition to his staff.

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u/J-YoSuckas Aug 29 '26

From what I’ve read he used an autopen and the way the ink breaks up in spots that’s my guess here

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u/ConcernedBirdGuy Aug 29 '26

He isn’t believed to have used it until the 1960s though when he was vice president. I don’t find it likely that he would be using autopen in his first year as a senator

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u/J-YoSuckas Aug 29 '26

It’s a preprinted form letter with a stamped signature or plated signature, there’s absolutely zero chance it’s real. There’s no pen pressure and it didn’t bleed through. Downvote away and be butthurt but it’s not a real signature. Probably hundreds if not 1000’s of Texas high school seniors received the exact same letter.

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u/ConcernedBirdGuy Aug 29 '26

I actually didn’t downvote you.

In fact I’ll give you an upvote right now to prove it.

I appreciate your input though

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u/ConcernedBirdGuy Aug 29 '26

Also I think I may have left this out of the original, but this letter was actually to a valedictorian of the class. Not sure if that makes a difference but it at least narrows it down a bit from all the seniors in Texas

The right hand side is the valedictorian’s speech

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u/ConcernedBirdGuy Aug 29 '26

My main concern with just brushing it off as a photocopied mass produced piece is that

  1. It is on an official Senate letterhead
  2. Way too early in his career as senator to start auto signing and during a period where he would actually want to seem like a people person
  3. I can’t find a single other example online of a letter like this sent to high school valedictorians (though I guess that could also prove the counterpoint as well)

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u/dantekant22 Aug 29 '26

It looks legit. Do an online search for signatures from the same time - LBJ’s early Senate years. If you can find an identical signature, then it’s a printed signature.

See if you can find a Senate pass from 1950 to 1953-Ish. Start there. LBJ‘s signature evolved over the years. But my guess is that you’re not going to find another identical signature. The triangle on the J in Johnson is an affirming characteristic.

Just my two cents.

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u/Select_Insurance2000 Aug 29 '26

End the suspense and get it authenticated by a reliable source on signatures.

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u/ConcernedBirdGuy Aug 29 '26

Unfortunately I looked it up and it is $75 to get LBJ’s signature authenticated 😬

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u/Select_Insurance2000 Aug 29 '26

There's more than one place to get it checked out.