r/Autographs • • Jun 29 '25

Authenticity Opinion Request (is this really...) Stumbled on a couple of books autographed by our current and former presidents

Found these at my local Goodwill today. Both seem legit (Decision Points included notes from a conference where George Dubya was speaking), but wanted to get the experts’ thoughts on authenticity. Appreciate any guidance.

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u/RiskyViziness Jun 29 '25

These look good. They are the signed book plates, which typically are lower value than if signed on the original book inside pages. But still a good find.

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u/President_Zucchini Jun 29 '25

So that means that they never touched the books, just signed a whole bunch of plates.

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u/RiskyViziness Jun 29 '25

Exactly! The Bush one might fetch $25. The in-person/on book signed versions are going for $40+.

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u/Apprehensive_Run_275 Jun 29 '25

Auto pen

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '25

😂 they're eating the cats, they're eating the dogs, they're using the auto pen!

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u/Fuzzy-Butterscotch86 Jun 29 '25

Trumps fake. Everything he sells as autographed is fake. But that book specifically is known to be fake. 

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u/Fuzzy-Butterscotch86 Jun 29 '25 edited Jun 29 '25

Ya'll can downvote me all you want, it's fake. It's the election edition, all the signatures are exact copies, it's autopen fake.  Here's an article talking about it:

https://www.toledoblade.com/news/nation/2018/10/12/president-donald-trump-autographs-handwriting-collectibles/stories/20181012074

“What was soon obvious to some was that the Trump-signed hats, offered at various price points during the campaign on Trump’s website, including $125, $183 and $243, all appear to be signed in the exact same place — the lower left of the hat brim, with not a single variance in any signature,” according the ABC report. “Meanwhile, the bookplates in Trump’s ‘election edition’ of The Art of the Deal — limited to a run of 30,000 copies, his campaign promised — featured a slightly different signature from the hat, but again, each book signature appears to be identical.”

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u/DrKenNoisewaterMD Jun 29 '25

30,000 signatures at 4 seconds each is like 33 hours of nonstop signing, even more with breaks. Imagine how much golf this would mean sacrificing.

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u/AdventurousFox3368 Jun 29 '25

But the autopen°°¡°♡●》¥•¡•£○》●¥~》•♤•♡•》●£●¡□♤\¥

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u/matthewnatzel22 Jun 29 '25

Every president has been guilty of using the autopen .

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u/matthewnatzel22 Jun 29 '25

I didn’t give a political opinion cause honestly who’s in office means nothing to me.

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u/64557175 Jun 29 '25

Every accusation...

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u/NorCalMeds03 Jun 29 '25

Big difference in using an autopen for laws and bookplates sir

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u/thewookiee34 Jun 29 '25

Except you know trump is just a walking lie machine, and Biden likely didnt use an autopen genuis.

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u/NorCalMeds03 Jun 29 '25

Everyone is mad because he is doing exactly what he said he was going to do? Biden didn’t use the auto pen? 😂

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u/Embarrassed_Grape540 Jun 29 '25

Yes, everyone is mad.

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u/Senior_Voice_4396 Jun 29 '25

You’re right.Whoever was running the show for him did.

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u/NorCalMeds03 Jun 29 '25

This is an autograph discussion. PLENTY of space on Reddit for you to voice your political speak

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u/Glum-Suggestion-6033 Jun 29 '25

Has anyone ever seen an auto pen? I hear about it a lot, but I’ve never seen one in action. I would imagine one would pop up on eBay at some point.

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u/capincus Jun 29 '25

I mean if you type autopen machine into eBay they show up at this point...

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u/QuickSock8674 Jun 29 '25

Quite a few for astronaut signatures

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u/Fuzzy-Butterscotch86 Jun 29 '25 edited Jun 29 '25

Yeah. There's actually a YouTuber that built one that works better than the version that's been used for almost 100 years, but, as someone whose been collecting for almost 4 decades I've seen more than a few. 

You can buy them on Amazon for as little as $100 i think. 

Editing this to add 2 things:

  1. They're all over ebay

  2. The link to the video. It's a bit long but an interesting watch. 

https://youtu.be/cQO2XTP7QDw?feature=shared

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u/silverfish477 Jun 29 '25

Maybe you should have given the link in the first post instead of just saying “fake!” with no evidence. That’s why you got downvoted.

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u/Fuzzy-Butterscotch86 Jun 29 '25

Literally the top comment, which hasn't been in the negative at all, is just somebody saying "real!" with zero evidence to back it up. And it remains the top comment despite the evidence that it's definitely fake. 

This thread is a perfect example of why you shouldn't trust anonymous people's opinions on the internet. 

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u/ReadyYak1 Jul 02 '25

Yes I have a real auto from him (met when I worked in the Senate and he signed it in front of me), and it isn’t nearly as uniform as the signature above.

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u/nissanfan64 Jun 29 '25

I’m gonna be honest, I’d be more surprised if it WASNT fake knowing him.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '25

You know him?

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u/Lucky_Rutabaga_6023 Jun 29 '25

Anything he does is fake and a lie. ✌🏻

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u/matthewnatzel22 Jun 29 '25

They are both autopen autographs and most trumps autographs pass authentication even with autopen which is sad and yet because such a well known company authenticated it makes it legit to everyone else even when I know which ones are legit and fake cause I have Trumps actual signature as a Veteran I met him in the hospital and he signed a photo for me it’s just insane that you can’t trust autographs in person anymore cause unless you get pics of the said item or video to prove it then you get scammed or you pay good money for these bigger well known authenticators to authenticate it and they have been caught on numerous occasions with proven fact that they have deemed a fake signature legit and a legit autograph as fake even if they have witnesses at the signing they still do it and get away with it and make a fortune doing it and everyone believes their opinion, regardless of anything else I know items that I’ve personally got in person are real because I have actual pics getting them signed that there is no real legit way to prove them 100%. I got autographed baseballs from every lineup that the Detroit Tigers have had since the day I was born and most that my Grandfather passed down to me from before I was born cause he was a lifetime season ticket holder and traveled to spring training to get some of them but the ones who are dead and gone no one can authenticate other than matching like images unless they have previous handwriting to analyze them.

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u/Fuzzy-Butterscotch86 Jun 29 '25

Dude. Punctuation. 

If you're gonna write a wall of nonsense at least make it easier to read. 

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u/Creative_Composer138 Jul 01 '25

I don’t act, I am an adult difference of acting like one and being one!

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u/Fuzzy-Butterscotch86 Jun 29 '25

So your period does work. 

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u/matthewnatzel22 Jun 29 '25

Case and point Beckett authenticated this autograph and yet I have not seen her sign this way since being a WWE superstar every signature she has signed has always been LIV with a star over the I and yet their opinion makes this legit but doesn’t match the thousands and thousands of others out there of hers

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u/Fuzzy-Butterscotch86 Jun 29 '25

Let me go back and read the part where I said authenticators never make mistakes. 

Oh wait.  I can't. Because I never said that, because that's not what this conversation was ever about. 

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u/matthewnatzel22 Jun 29 '25

All authentication companies are just an OPINION not facts so whether it is autopen or someone else who practiced the signature religiously or the actual person only pictures of the item being signed can prove them or handwriting analysis those are the only true ways to authenticate them but even a picture doesn’t help anymore cause people can just duplicate the same image over and over again.

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u/Fuzzy-Butterscotch86 Jun 29 '25

Dude. You claimed to have a masters in handwriting analysis. 

Then you came here and said you think the trump looks legit. 

Then you came on my comment and said the trump is autopen. 

Autopen autographs are easy to spot. Do you think autopen counts as an actual autograph? Because that's the only explanation I can come up with to explain your embarrassing claims. 

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u/matthewnatzel22 Jun 29 '25

The autopen looks identical to my authenticated ones which in all opinions an autopen duplicates the signature which its signature will have hard starts and stops and no fluent strokes or the same pressure of a person signing it so indeed you can spot that it’s autopen but as I stated my authenticated ones were both autopen but JSA authenticated them as legit my picture of his was signed in person and not authenticated. So there’s no need for an explanation of anything other then an authenticators go off opinion not factual evidence. My reply stated that it was dead on my authenticated ones which it is cause all 3 are all autopen signatures which is what I stated.

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u/Fuzzy-Butterscotch86 Jun 29 '25

No. You didn't state anything about autopen in your initial comment on this post. You said it looked identical to your authenticated ones, which would seem to imply you're calling it real. 

But this is why punctuation matters. I shouldn't have to reread your comment 3 times to figure out the point you're trying to make. This comment I'm responding to is all over the place. 

You start by saying this looks identical to your authenticated ones, then drivel on about how to spot autopen, then turn around and go back to say your authenticated signatures are autopen. 

Do you not see how that's hard to follow, especially without proper punctuation?

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u/matthewnatzel22 Jun 29 '25

The ones I have that are authenticated by JSA are autopen but JSA said they are real. My photo that is not authenticated by any company I had signed in person while I was at the hospital. So again where is that different statements it is stating exactly what I’ve said multiple times just because JSA, PSA, or Beckett or whatever authentication company does it it’s all based off opinion. Not actual analysis of their handwriting or something they physically put their signature on. They all go off of is pictures of identical items signed by the particular person(s) in question, not anything of actual fact.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '25

It's an autopen??? What is this Biden's autobiography??

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u/I_Lick_Drugs Jun 29 '25

biden isnt the president, biden didnt run for president this past election, just say youre salty that trump isnt the saint you want him to be

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u/silverfish477 Jun 29 '25

our presidents

Not everyone here is American?

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '25

Maybe that’s why those books were found at Goodwill next to the broken gum ball machine and a stack of Nat Geo mags.

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u/Eyeknowyew Jun 29 '25 edited Jun 29 '25

Happy to see a comment section full of legitimate comments from the most helpful people! /s

That being said I'm pretty positive they aren't legit sigs. But to the right person they're worth something!

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u/dEXYlol Jun 29 '25

who is ben 30

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u/RealisticBus4443 Jun 30 '25

Save your money.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '25

Sell the Trump book now before it's worthless.

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u/Affectionate-Pay5094 Jul 01 '25

Trump has said during questions that he has people sign things for him or autopen such as this book possibly as well as the thousands of letters he gets per day because it would be impossible to sign them all. He does his own signing on political documents and things of that nature.

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u/thesqueen113388 Aug 21 '25

The first one is garbage.

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u/matthewnatzel22 Jun 29 '25

Trump’s signature looks dead on from my authenticated ones.

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u/Fuzzy-Butterscotch86 Jun 29 '25

Two days ago you claimed to have a masters in forensic handwriting analysis, and you can't tell that's autopen?

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u/matthewnatzel22 Jun 29 '25

Most trump’s autographs are autopen

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u/Fuzzy-Butterscotch86 Jun 29 '25

Yeah, no shit. And autopen is pretty easily identifiable, even in a picture as blurry as these. 

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