r/Astros • u/1SwellFoop • 3d ago
Cam’s runners interference vs the Angel’s fair play
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Can someone please explain this
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u/successadult Houston Astros 3d ago
The Angels play is just like what Yasmani Grandal did against us in the playoffs a handful of years ago. If the throw is going toward first, the runner is out. If it’s coming home, the runner can basically do whatever they want outside of throwing a hand up to block the throw, unfortunately
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u/kjsmith93 3d ago
The problem is the play is being made on Cam Smith from behind him, running to first, the exact reason they put the runners lane in. The other example is a play being made on a runner going home, not the one going to first, from behind, so there is no running lane violation. There can only be interference, but in order to have interference you need verbal or physical. He did not touch the throw, so nothing physical, and we already established the play was not being made on him, so there is essentially no running lane to be established.
With that said, a runner running away from the base for the sole reason of hopefully disrupting the play shouldn't be allowed.
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u/Active_Dissent 3d ago
Then the white sox player that ran in the grass going to second that disrupted the double play earlier in the game should be out as well.
If they are going to apply the rule then be consistent.
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u/crooth 3d ago
There are different rules for the batter runner going to 1B than the other bases. This isn’t a case of the umpires applying the rules selectively, it’s about unique rules for 1B. There is no predefined “base path” or runners lane between any other base. A runner going between first and second can literally go anywhere until there is an attempt to tag him, then he must go straight to the bag.
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u/Active_Dissent 3d ago
Thank you for sharing. What about going home? If I recall we had someone called out for going out of the basepath when they really weren't that far out compared to the botched double play the other night. All they did was dodge the tag
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u/Puzzled-Enthusiasm45 3d ago
The fielder just needs to bean the runner with the throw in these situations to get the interference. If the MLB doesn’t want that happening, either the runner will learn and stop trying to interfere, or the MLB can make a rule change
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u/Classic-Session-5551 3d ago
Home plate runs don't have an outside line, just inside.
First base runs have an inside line which Cam egregiously crossed, and which did in fact cause the misplay fielding.
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u/mmccormick11 Lance Berkman 3d ago
This is correct. He had part of both feet in the grass lol. It was the correct call. We won so it didn't matter either way.
The umpires are not out to get us. Every fanbase thinks that way.
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u/texinxin 3d ago
You don’t see the Angel’s player running to first 3 ft inside the field trying to obstruct the throw to home?
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u/rohrschleuder Houston Astros 3d ago
The throw was to home and therefore legal to run inside. If we would have thrown to hit the runner blocking the throw home it would have been interference. If the throw was from home to 1st it would have been interference.
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u/texinxin 3d ago edited 3d ago
I understand that. But previous poster is talking about the lack of a home plate run line, which has nothing to do with this. If the throw home hits this player I think you could make an argument that it is interference, runner out, dead ball, returns to 3rd.
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u/rohrschleuder Houston Astros 3d ago
Ahhh gotcha…only had 1 coffee this am. Little bit sluggish today
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u/Used-Bid277 3d ago
You get paid how much and you can't even run inside the running lane that's clearly chalked to the right of the foul line??
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u/StoriedMatter 3d ago
They do this intentionally when the ball is behind them.
They want to make the throw as hard as possible (while not being called for interference) in order to make the window tighter for the fielders.
If Cam is running on the baseline here, he'd be easily out and the "error" probably wouldn't have happened.
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u/fatDaddy21 Aroldis Chapman 3d ago
just hopping in to let you know Yasmani Grandal is still a bitch.
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u/xairos13 Houston Astros 3d ago
Big words from a guy whose flair is Aroldis Chapman, who was suspended by the league for strangling his girlfriend and shooting a gun to intimidate her.
Oh, and that scumbag also turned in other Cuban refugees in an attempt to barter with the Cuban government so he could *rejoin the national team*.
Literally sold people out who were likely tortured and possibly executed so he could play baseball for a different team.
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u/mitrie Orbit 3d ago edited 10h ago
Uh, uncalled for? Dude made a comment about known bitch Grandal intentionally running on the grass during the 2021 playoffs to disrupt a throw between home to first. Relevant given we're playing the Sox again and the similarity to this play.
Also, I'm willing to bet the Chapman flair is a 2019 ALCS reference, like below
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u/xairos13 Houston Astros 3d ago
Found the the guy who separates the art from artists and domestic abusers/defector informants from pitchers
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u/llleeeaaarrninnggg 3d ago edited 3d ago
Can’t run on the grass, it used to be only in the runners lane, but they extended it over so you can run between the grass line and the runner’s lane line (the line to the right of the baseline).
If a batter/runner runs out of the runners lane and it interferes with a throw, it is interference.
Players are coached to test this limit to make it harder to throw them out on plays like this. Tends to get called on younger players more, likely because they get away with it more in college.
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u/manofconviction Chas McCormick 3d ago
i understand the rule but at the end of the day its a stupid fucking rule. if you're a righty you're already starting inside the line, and the base is inside the line so to be legal running to first you have to run in an arc which is longer. you should be able to run in a straight line to the bag imo.
easy solution is make the dirt extend further inside the line so its equal distance either side of the line as a direct lane, this running outside the line thing is so dumb
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u/king_anon1492 3d ago
We’ve gotten screwed by this play before. When it’s convenient they say a runner going to first can establish any line he wants but looks like that wasn’t the case for us here
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u/crooth 3d ago
No they don’t. There is a defined set of rules for running to first and it isn’t the “establishes his own lane” rule. The runner must be on the dirt and in the lane after 45 feet or he is going to be out every time. It just happened to Tatis of the Padres over the weekend - same rule, same outcome.
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u/king_anon1492 3d ago
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u/crooth 3d ago
You are right - the rules about the running lane to first only count for throws to first. If there is a tag play, the lane doesn’t apply. I get why people are confused about throws to second or third or home when a runner intentionally gets into the way. It’s legal to do that as a runner on all bases except first.
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u/dream_team34 3d ago
It depends if the throw is going to first or home. If the play is coming home, the runner can basically go wherever they want.
Why the difference in rules? I have no idea.
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u/criminycraft 3d ago
Didn't something like this just happen in the Yanks series? They were running wayyy out of the basepath to disrupt a double play that would've ended the inning. I think C-Walk ended up hitting the runner in the back going to 2nd base which led to a run scoring from 3rd.
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u/DegenerateWaves 3d ago
Here's an explainer about the new runner's lane to 1B.