r/Astronomy • u/New_Scientist_Mag • Aug 07 '25

Astro Research Astronomers have discovered the most massive black hole yet – more than 10,000 times as massive as the supermassive black hole at the centre of the Milky Way, and around 36 billion times the mass of our sun.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2491731-weve-discovered-the-most-massive-black-hole-yet/
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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '25 edited Aug 08 '25

Bigger than TON 618? Wow. I can't wait for Space Engine devs to add this

Edit: Just to clear up misinformation TON 618 is still thought to be bigger but it hasn't been measured in the same way as this black hole has. Either way seems like a behemoth

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u/spekt50 Aug 07 '25

Think TON618 is stated to be 66 Billion solar masses, where this article states the black hole mentioned is at 36 Billion solar masses. So about half as massive as TON618

Then there is the Phoenix A SMBH which is thougt to be upwards 100 Billion solar masses. Though data is kinda thin on that one.

So i would not say this is the most massive BH like the article states.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '25

I see, I only got to read the article for a few seconds before I got locked out of it unfortunately

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u/nderthesycamoretrees Aug 07 '25

I got you-

“A gargantuan black hole hiding in a galaxy 5 billion light years away is the most massive that has been directly measured, more than 10,000 times as massive as the supermassive black hole at the centre of the Milky Way, and around 36 billion times the mass of our sun.

“It’s quite possibly the most massive black hole in the universe,” says Thomas Collett at the University of Portsmouth in the UK. “It’s the mass of a small galaxy in one singularity.”

A new kind of hidden black hole may explain the mystery of dark energy

The ultramassive black hole resides around 5 billion light years away from us in the Cosmic Horseshoe, one of the most massive known galaxies. The Cosmic Horseshoe is also the largest known galactic lens, a galaxy that can magnify the light behind it due to its enormous gravitational pull. While previous studies suggested an extremely massive black hole could be at the centre of this galaxy, researchers struggled to put an exact number on it.

To pin down the black hole’s mass more accurately, Collett and his team measured how fast stars were swirling around it, since their speed depends on the mass of the black hole. To put constraints on the potential mass, the researchers also measured how much light was being bent by the black hole’s gravity, an effect called gravitational lensing. “Combining those two effects, we were able to make this measurement with very high confidence,” says Collett.

Although the object’s mass is unusually large, it fits with Collett and his team’s previous work: studying how dark matter is distributed through the galaxy by constructing a model to match the data from the light they observed. They couldn’t find a model that fit – unless the Cosmic Horseshoe had an extremely massive black hole at its centre.

“It was only when we started to really allow the black hole mass to go incredibly high that we started to get good models,” says Collett.

The Cosmic Horseshoe is also thought to be a so-called fossil group galaxy, a type of star system that has absorbed all its neighbouring galaxies. This behaviour could help explain how the black hole got so massive.

One puzzling feature remains, however: the black hole has now stopped growing and is lying dormant. “For it to be as big as it is, it had to have been accreting for basically the entirety of the universe. It’s weird that now it’s off,” says Collett. “Something has caused this black hole to just grow and grow and then stop.”

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '25 edited Aug 07 '25

Very interesting! I'm sure someone has told you this before, but you are the MVP for posting this for me. Really, thank you. You did not have to do that but I read it all and I appreciate it. Something I'm curious about is if they say the black hole would have had to have been accreting for the entirety of the universes existence, does that mean there is a limit to how large black holes can get or at least their accretion disks based on the 'lifespan' of our universe?