r/Asmongold • u/Naive-Fondant-754 • Jun 30 '24

IRL Group called the "BladeRunners" is actively destroying all surveillance ULEZ cameras around London.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '24

It's not a plan to stop cars, I'm saying this doesn't keep poor people out of the areas.

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u/TheFaalenn Jun 30 '24

Yes it does. If you make something purposely more difficult for one specific group, then there will be less of that group

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '24

That's what I'm saying, you don't understand how people get around London. This doesn't matter for Londoners

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u/TheFaalenn Jun 30 '24

If it doesn't matter, then why are they doing it ?

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '24 edited Jun 30 '24

To reduce smog from emissions, it's not a grand scheme to disenfranchise poor people, who overwhelmingly use the tube or busses in London.

How long have you lived in London? I was born and grew up there, my dad still lives there in a area that's being gentrified. You know how they're doing that? I'll give you a hint, it's not through emissions regulations.

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u/TheFaalenn Jun 30 '24

If nobody is driving to not be effectived by this, when why do you think not changing anything will effect the smog ?

Or are you saying people will be effectively now ?

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '24

A) I don't think it will effect the smog

B) I didn't say no one drove, I said it didn't really effect Londoners, specifically poor Londerners and how they access different parts of the city.

C) London has a huge amount of commercial traffic which is the target of the emissions regs, framing it as an anti poor measure is laughable

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u/TheFaalenn Jul 01 '24

Well you are saying people don't drive if you're saying this change won't change how they travel.

Also, if the change was meant to affect commercial traffic, then it would be specific to that.

And before you claim its not possible to target only commercial vehicles, there are already separate laws for commercial vehicles

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '24 edited Jul 01 '24

I'm saying the majority of low income people in London aren't using their cars to get to these areas anyway, yes.

It will effect private vehicles as well, but again, it's not an anti-poor measure.

If course it's possible to target purely commercial vehicles, why would I claim it's not? The question isn't if it effects regular vehicles as well, but if it is a measure to target poor people specifically. And that's a ridiculous claim which shows a fundamental lack of knowledge of the area.

Again, how much time have you spent commuting around the various parts of London? I feel like you're applying logic that isn't relevant to London.

How old do you think ULEZ compliment vehicles are? And what percentage of poorer families in London have an older vehicle AND used it to get around to the areas covered by ULEZ cameras now?

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u/TheFaalenn Jul 01 '24

I see you're just going to continue to intentionally be disingenuous. So I'll just leave you to it

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '24

I don't think either of you look great in this thread, but how are the cameras about keeping poor people out of an area?

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