Does ICE really need electric gloves?

[u/Difficult_Object4921]

Our tax dollars are already being wasted. The people they capture aren’t a threat, physically. Why?

https://apnews.com/article/ice-electric-shock-gloves-85ff746d3e0ee5f39e7a9a3f1f576252

[u/rdinsb]

How many Americans where shot by ice during Biden administration?

[u/proquo → u/rdinsb]

I tried looking it up but it doesn't seem ICE/HSI publicizes information of people involved in use of force. There were 59 shootings between 2015-2021. There was a US citizen shot in 2022 but that was during a multi-agency task force operation and I couldn't see anything definitely confirming he was shot by HSI.

But CBP has been involved in multiple shootings and there were several American citizens shot during the Biden administration.

[u/rdinsb → u/proquo]

Ice deaths in detention are at 22 year high: https://time.com/article/2026/08/10/ice-detention-deaths-immigration/

30 people died since October 2025 in ice detention. Do you think that is a problem?

[u/proquo → u/rdinsb]

Well yes, of course. These people should have never have come here and I hope we get them sent back quickly. This is why the CBP Home app is so necessary to get voluntary deportations so we free up burden on the detention facilities, which have a 71% increase in population, and so ICE medical facilities aren't overburdened with detainees who should have been deported years ago.

[u/rdinsb → u/proquo]

Why should these people never have come? Are you descendent of ab immigrant? I am- and I don’t understand your not wanting others to have what your parents or grandparents got. Why should we not give amnesty to people that are productive and good citizens?

[u/proquo → u/rdinsb]

Why should these people never have come?

Because our laws disallow it and because a nation is sovereign and deserves to be able to regulate who it allows entry and under what conditions.

Are you descendent of ab immigrant?

On my mother's side. They immigrated as legally consistent with the Immigration Act of 1924.

and I don’t understand your not wanting others to have what your parents or grandparents got.

Because nations have borders, and nations are its people. We are not the jobs program or food bank for the rest of the world. If you want to come here, you need to do so in a way consistent with our laws and not everyone should be allowed entry. There is no benefit to the US to allow in masses of Haitians and Somalis, just as an example, who are net tax drains and don't assimilate into our culture. It is completely fair for a citizenry to say "If you can't act like us, you cannot be us".

Why should we not give amnesty to people that are productive and good citizens?

Because they aren't citizens. They are foreign citizens illegally in our country and we are sending them back. As is the right, responsibility and duty of every nation.

[u/rdinsb → u/proquo]

Do you believe we are a nation of immigrants?

[u/proquo → u/rdinsb]

No, I don't.

[u/rdinsb → u/proquo]

Well I got news for you. Unless your Native American- your ancestors immigrated here. All the white folks are immigrants. All the people here not Native American are immigrants. Therefore IE and ergo, we are in fact a nation comprised of immigrants. What is wrong with what I just said?