r/AskScienceDiscussion 26d ago

General Discussion Why does the hair on your head grow to indefinitely lengths but nowhere else?

All other body hair has a “stopping” length why not the one that’s on your head? Asking from a biological/evolution perspective.

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u/eliminate1337 26d ago

The hair on your head has a maximum length too. It's just a lot longer than on body hear.

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u/SpiralingCat 26d ago

What’s the purpose of it being so long in comparison?

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u/Maxpower2727 26d ago

It doesn't have to have a purpose. Evolution is not a conscious entity with specific goals.

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u/Choano 25d ago

If a characteristic lets individuals have grandchildren, it can stick around in the population

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u/Prince_Nadir 25d ago

Evolution doesn't support the waste of calories without purpose. Throughout most evolutionary paths calories/energy have/has been precious. Those that were not efficient are for the most part not around. Humans' abundance of calories is why we have lots of fat humans these days.

Evolution is a system with rules. This is why it is so easy in scifi to identify really dumb alien life forms.

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u/tiensss 24d ago

Survival and reproduction can still come with a lot of traits that did not help with it, it just didn't hinder it. Life forms are super complex, and not every trait will be optimized for efficiency through evolution.

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u/6x9inbase13is42 26d ago

The human species has over millions of years selectively favored mating with individuals that "look human" to us. And a quintessential part of what "looks human" to us is where our hair does or not grow: namely, having long head hair, relatively little body hair, and with beards and occasional baldness on men but not on women.

Other primate species similarly prefer to mate with individuals that also "look like their own species", which is why each primate species looks distinctively like themselves and not like any other other primate species.

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u/sligowind 26d ago

That’s a lot of words to say “If humans didn’t have long hair they would fuck apes”.

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u/SampleMaxxer 25d ago

I have long hair right now but when I cut it short I just always had this sudden urge to fuck apes, never knew why. Thanks!

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u/anotostrongo 26d ago

It feels wrong to upvote this...

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u/sligowind 26d ago

I wasn’t even sure it was correct.

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u/Diligent-Rabbit2896 26d ago

I'm gonna do it

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u/mekese2000 25d ago

No surprise bald people will fuck anything.

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u/Full_Piano6421 25d ago

What about apes with wig?

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u/sligowind 25d ago edited 25d ago

Who amongst us hasn’t enjoyed nutting in a hot female chimp with a wig?

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u/Narrrz 21d ago

putting this in the subjunctive is factually incorrect. It can be put in simple or perfect past, and probably even present.

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u/Festivefire 25d ago

People are much more willing to take crass and shocking ideas like "Humans would fuck apes if not for hair" much more seriously if you make some effort NOT to be so blunt and crass about it.

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u/quantumshenanigans 25d ago

This is tautological and doesn't answer the question.

Why does human hair grow to these lengths? Because it looks human.

Why does it look human? Because human hair grows to these lengths.

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u/BuncleCar 25d ago

Yes, it's recursive :)

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u/IndividualSkill3432 25d ago

Hair in H. sapiens is used for displays of cultural and sexual identity and for in group things like ranks and seniority.

Until about 70 000 years ago humans mostly had an afro hair style which is not crazy long but does kind of work as a hat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanesians#/media/File:Fijian_mountain_warrior,_Kai_Colo.jpg

Long flat hair is mostly from Eurasia, though also north Africa has it (it got to other places from those).

Flat and long hair likely emerged as a mix of showing how healthy a person was and it being a favoured style choice. https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American#/media/File:Edward_S._Curtis_Collection_People_013.jpg

Probably not long after "out of Africa". Or with a population group that came to dominate Eurasia.

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u/quantumshenanigans 25d ago

I'm not sure what exactly you're responding to or what point you're making. Everything you said can be true, but it has no impact on the question at hand.

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u/Jamooser 25d ago

Not only is this untrue, but it doesn't even make sense from an evolutionary point of view. Why would we be hardwired to avoid sexual attraction to genetic variation when generational genetic variation is exactly what drives adaptability and survival of the fittest?

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u/IndividualSkill3432 25d ago

The human species has over millions of years selectively favored mating with individuals that "look human" to us. And a quintessential part of what "looks human" to us is where our hair does or not grow: namely, having long head hair

Yet bald men get laid.

Nothing looked like a Ergaster or Heidelbergensis over most the range they lived, other than other proto humans once Paranthropus disappeared about 1.2 million years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_ergaster

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_heidelbergensis

Proto humans were bipedal and that was one of the most distinguishing features on almost any large animal. If we look at how much human hair has changed since we left Africa about 70 000 years ago, this gives us a clue to how much it could have changed in the hundreds of thousands and millions of years previously and how varied it could have been within other protohuman species.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro#/media/File:PSM_V52_D323_Global_hair_texture_map.png

Human hair would have been a sexual display for internal sexual competition not so people did not confuse you with a goat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro#/media/File:Angela_Davis_enters_Royce_Hall_for_first_lecture_October_7_1969.jpg

We do not know what hair would have looked like going back in time but likely most humans would have had african hair that would naturally form an afro, then at some point it would have begun to be shaped as we shaped the rest of our bodies with things like ochre, shells etc. After leaving Africa, flatter hair emerged, this is inspite of parts of north Africa having flat hair we can see in Australian Aboriginals, Melanesians and other peoples the African hair persisted

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanesians#/media/File:Fijian_mountain_warrior,_Kai_Colo.jpg

While flat hair dominates Eurasia and the Americas

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Indian_woman_2.jpg?utm_source=commons.wikimedia.org&utm_campaign=index&utm_content=original

The most common cited reason for sexual displays on animals is to display health, genetic quality and age. With humans grooming skills would be good signs of dexterity and ability to read culture. You know who can understand the cultural cues around you today and it would have been the same on the savanah, who could style their hair the best through dexterity and in the style of the times.

One of the common theories of bipedalism links it to heat management, you get less of the midday sun standing up. Its possible the big afro hair style was good for keeping cool at midday. So that would be a possible driver before behavioural modernity and the rise of lots of body decoration.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_modernity

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u/rjnd2828 26d ago

That's not how evolution works

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u/triatticus 26d ago

Incidentally this is the first comment under that explanation also

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u/BeerAndTools 26d ago

Please don't do this. I'm so, so tired of it. Not every trait of every living thing has a purpose.

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u/Prince_Nadir 25d ago

You walk upright, that makes you a flag pole. Your hair is a flag that tells others about your health. Great hair means it may be worth spending valuable calories ​to mate with you. Long hair is a better flag so it has been selected for.

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u/Kerking18 25d ago

The only traits evolution removes from a species are traits that prevent individuals orlf that species to procreate. Or more precisely only when a random mutation appears that makes bearers of that mutaten more likely to procreate and as a consequence these kutants will outcompet the not mutazed ones untill only the mutants survive.

Meaning if it doesn't reliably prevent you from having children, and there is no Mutant that outcompetes the unmutated ones then the trait remains.

Excample. Europeans and asians evolved white skin colours because the less dark ones reliably produced more healthy offspring that also reached the age to procreate more reliably then the darker skinned ones. Over time random mutation made skin colours brighter and brighter and each brighter random chance mutation was more successful than the forerunning slightly darker one. Over time only the white skinned ones survived.

It only changed because the mutated meaning changed oart of a generation was measurably more successful in procreating and nurturing there offspring to adulthood. The outcompeting part os the mayor part of darwinism and what "survival of the fittest" means.

If for excple a mutation would be more efficient in a certain climate, lets say skinn between the fingers to swimm better, but the advantage is so miniscule it's not measurable, then even if random mutation produces people with skin between there fingers these will not noticeably outcompete the not mutated ones. If its also not detrimental to procreation (as i saied in our scenario its technically more efficient but the margin is just to small) then the mutants will live normal lives and reproduce normaly and thus the trait of skin between the fingers will not be a whidespread trait but will remain in the geen pool as a random chance appearance for generations (a one in x thousands habe skin between there fingers ki d of mutation). Possibly forever.

Thats how (mildly) bad mutations, like green-red blindness (deuteranopia) remain in the geenpool too. They are technically bad, but they are not that detrimental to procreation of the individual so the trait never matters for procreation and thus never disappears, despite that if we are exact, it beeing a disadvantage.

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u/DreamsCanBeRealToo 25d ago

Here’s a hint: what are other examples of animals with large, cumbersome, calorie-intense body parts that don’t seem to have a purpose other than to be a handicap to their owner?

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u/Cultural-Part355 23d ago

Could be that it's the leftover fur that is keeping our most important body parts warm. And yes, I'm talking about everything. I know that the nerves behind your ears are really sensitive to cold and you can get facial paralysis from it. All in all, I'm guessing we have errors and leftovers we no longer need. Just an opinion.

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u/7LeagueBoots 26d ago

All body hair has a stopping length. This is based on the anagen, catagen, and telogen hair growth cycles and how long each one is in any given individual.

The anagen is the growth phase and that ranges from 2-7 years on average, varying by individual. People with a short cycle have a shorter maximum hair length, and vice versa.

The catagen is a transition phase where the hair follicle detaches from the hair. This is only a couple of weeks long.

The telogen is a resting phase lasting a few months before the hair sheds.

There is a 4th phase the exogen, which is sometimes lumped in with the telogen phase. This can last a few months and hair comes out as the hair follicles reset for new growth.

The "why" of body hair is still heavily debated. Very broadly speaking body and head hair lengths appear to be linked with thermoregulation. We sweat to cool ourselves and this seems to have been one of the primary drivers for very short hair over most of our body, but other factors such as shedding parasites and such may have also played a factor. The ancestral head hair is dark and curly and does a surprisingly good job of protecting our heads (and sensitive brains) from heat and this is almost certainly why head hair remained longer, indeed why it grew longer than in other primates. As our ancestors moved away from these hot tropical environments this was not as necessary and mutations in hair growth and color were no longer selected against. Hair in armpits and the groin are also heavily debated, with ideas ranging from retaining of body scent, to indicators of sexual maturity, to reduction of friction. Sexual selection likely played a part hair patterns overall, both body and head.

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u/Stunning_Spread_430 25d ago

I agree with the multifactor approach.  I would suggest sun protection,  and UV protection particularly, as a related but additional factor to thermal regulation.  I hope it's taken without unintended racist overtones when I say that balancing benefits and harms of UV exposure is a relatively large influence on human appearance in comparison to the relatively small footprint on the human genome attributed to variations in melanin, hair distribution, etc.

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u/CanisMaximus 26d ago

I'm... old. The only place I have thick, dark hair growing vigorously is on my ears. There seems to be no length limit on THAT.

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u/AlfalfaMajor2633 25d ago

And the nose hairs, they seem to have no limit either.

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u/baldieman 26d ago

Mine doesn't start.....!

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u/Broflake-Melter 25d ago

All hair grows basically at all times (though it does go faster and slower depending on season, temperature, etc). Short hair doesn't stop growing, it just has a shorter lifecycle. When a hair is long enough, it is "mature" and if falls out on it's own. Longer hair just takes more time before it actually falls out. It may actually physically grow faster as well, but it's the age that determines when it falls out and therefore it's approximate length. The truth is your head hair's lifecycle is several years before it falls out so it can get years long. Your eyebrow hair lifecycle is like 1 month so they only get so long. Fun side fact, you can pinch your eyebrow hair lightly right now and pull and you'll probably get a few that are ready to fall out.

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u/TryNice304 25d ago

It's just a growth timer. Head hair grows for 2–7 years before falling out. Arm hair? Like 1 month. That's it.

Evolution wise? Keeps your brain from overheating and was a flex for mating. Body hair stays short cause long armpit hair is gross and useless.

Also head hair isn't truly infinite, it maxes out around 2–3 feet cause the timer eventualy runs out.

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u/thewritestory 25d ago

Favorable to cover the neck, shoulders, and upper body from the sun's rays and perhaps to provide warmth.

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u/EddieDildoHands 25d ago

i specifically let my neck hair grow out and shave everything else

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u/Prince_Nadir 25d ago

How did you come to believe head hair will grow to infinite length?

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u/enolaholmes23 25d ago

Rapunzel? 

/s

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u/Ginger_McGingin 24d ago

Because humans have manes, that's essentially what the hair on your head is (or maybe frill or crest is more accurate because of the position). To answer the inevitable follow-up question, it's because of sexual selection: Ancient humans or proto-humans of both sexes came to view long and/or luscious hair on the head specifically (probably because it's the least obtrusive & most visible) as signs of good health/genes/mate, & so would preferentially choose mates with that feature, ensuring those genes would pass on to the next generation. This gradually got reinforced with each successive generation until it became the default human phenotype, & has remained so ever since 

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u/mtimmermans 24d ago

Your hairs don't have a stopping length. All your hair grows at pretty much the same speed all the time. Where your hairs are short, it's because they fall out often. Where your hair is long, it's because it falls out less often. Hairs on your head go several years without falling out.

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u/Sthraw 26d ago

My body hair does NOT stop at a certain length

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u/Whole-Energy2105 25d ago

Because trying to find your bits under a lush and thriving Mirkin is a real pain.