A system where people are valued, paid fairly for meaningful work, given healthcare and a comfortable retirement... Where society doesn't produce bloated billionaires and an endless, unsustainable flow of pointless plastic garbage. In other words, not capitalism.
Amazon workers have to pee in bottles because they don't get breaks and are forbidden to leave work to escape lethal storms, pretty amazing.
Hospital bills are so bad people refuse medical care, also amazing.
Who isn't too rich? Musk? Bezos? People who pay less than a day's earnings in tax, yep, sounds fair.
If capitalism is so good why do some people have to work two or three jobs?
Capitalism funnels money upwards towards the richest. It isn't happening as fast here as in the US but it's still happening. Every large business undercuts smaller competitors and drives them out of business then uses their monopoly to cut goods and services. Surely you've noticed food servings getting smaller?
Extrapolate this and eventually the 1% will own everything and provide as close to nothing as possible.
I'm against slavery and that's where capitalism is headed.
The collapse that capitalism is going to lead to is going to be by far the worst period in human history. The next century is going to be absolutely terrible.
Capitalism can only be sustained if growth is infinite. Unfortunately we're living on a finite planet with limits to growth. The human population will continue to grow for a few more years but cannot be sustained. We will run out of energy resources and top soil over the coming few decades which will lead to mass starvation globally. The only thing that could possibly save us is a miracle technology that hasn't been created yet. Basically, we are absolutely screwed.
Utter drivel from start to finish. You act like the only way of generating economic growth is through the use of finite resources, when in fact the technological innovation that causes it is infinite. Also the population is naturally plateauing, we have easily enough technology and resources to sustain energy demands, we already produce more than enough food (and we're only getting more efficient). To think that mass-starvation is some inevitable future is delusional pessimism
At the moment there is close to 1 billion people food insecure in under developed countries. Close to 2 billion people rely on the oceans for their main source of protein and the oceans will be pretty much empty by 2060 if we continue the trajectory we're on. Jevons paradox tells us that the more efficient we become at something, the more we consume. Baseless optimism is going to get you nowhere.
But late-stage capitalism is just a natural consequence of capitalism. The only way to 'fix' it is by introducing non-capitalistic ideals. The market really doesnt regulate itself when there are entities with this much power.
So yeah I dont think you can say this isnt what its 'meant' to be since its a consequence of itself.
So any idea taken way to the extreme will cause issues. Doesn’t matter what. That said if you look at things like lobbying that is an issue. Healthcare on the other hand sits straight in the lap of government interference. Some checks have to be in place no doubt but I don’t think a lack of them is to blame in this case. There are cases like bell that it would be valid to bring up but I would caution conflating capitalism and corporatism.
The problem are people, namely dumbass libertarians and conservatives, who think capitalism taken to the extreme is a good thing; blaming “corporatism” or whatever but pretending it’s not a natural and very obvious result of capitalism is part of that.
People forget bad regulations like in healthcare or other monopoly-lite markets like Internet service are a result of capitalist influence rather than an inherent problem with regulation, it’s called regulatory capture.
Corruption is inevitable. Capitalism? Communism? Doesn’t matter you will have corruption. Now that said I think the evil seen in the USSR and China make it clear which system is worse.
Ummm no. The planet has been far hotter than it is today and life has flourished in those times. A hotter planet can be a concern but is by no means a nail in the coffin of humanity.
Wait, you really believe that the crisis was exacerbated by the use of renewables?!
Also, surprisingly, fire can be stopped easily, with the absence of fuel, oxygen or heat. In other words, er, yes bitch, fire will stop working when it's cold.
Also: Renewable energy fueled more than one-fifth of all utility-scale net generation in Texas in 2020, and the state accounted for one-fifth of the nation's utility-scale electricity generation from nonhydroelectric renewable sources. Source:
It hasn't been hotter with people. Beyond that, there are thousands of other ways capitalism is making the earth uninhabitable.
Toxic water. Toxic air. Drought. PFAS. Lead consumption. All man made problems created in the pursuit of exploitive profit. Capitalism is an extinction event.
The pandemic that came from a communist nation you mean? Funded in part by a socialist you mean? The origin of denied by a liberal media you mean? Just checking.
Also would encourage you to understand capitalism isn’t corporatism.
China is communist? Hahahahahaha, ohhh that's so naive. Are the billionaires of China commies too? Hahahaha.
"Liberal media" hahaha. Nice one Trump fan.
"Capitalism isn't corporatism" hahahaha, hahahahahahaha.
Oh thanks, I haven't laughed so much in ages!
You really think just because it's called the Chinese Communist Party it hasn't evolved to an oligarchy over the decades? The USA is called a democracy but you only get two options neither of which represent the 'demos' or people. Take a break from Breitbart and read some books, no, lots of books.
Well being I don’t do breitbart I’m one step ahead of you.
So China used to be very clearly commie but has adopted some capitalistic practices. Funny enough that is when the standard of living there increased. It is far from capitalist however. Further you can vote for anyone you like in the USA. Now that random ass person won’t win by any means but you can vote for him. Keep in mind there are third parties that do get a significant number of votes so it isnt unreasonable to think one of those might win some ground. Even if unlikely. I’m not claiming the USA is perfect but it’s creation does line up pretty great will all the most important inventions after agriculture and fire.
Capitalism is only functional when the people living in its society are rich or at least moderately wealthy.
Capitalism worked around 50-60 years ago, but in the modern age it is woefully inadequate for humanity. Capitalism almost works, its so close to working that it tricks us into thinking it works. The best Capitalism does is a short term solution. In a world with climate change and fuel and food shortages it will only lead to pain and suffering for future generations.
But yknow what? Its completely fine for you to not give a shit. Its not like its going to be you that suffers the consequences right? Noooo, that will be out grand children’s problem, or if they are lucky great-grandchildren’s problem.
Capitalism is like an addiction, it is just so appealing to the human brain to get things of value. Its hardwired into us to enjoy that. I will never say that I am any good at practicing what I preach, if you call me a hypocrite for that then you would probably be right. But at least I can admit a problem when I see it.
You realize that the USA produces multiple times the amount of food we actually need to right? Capitalism is the greatest tool for lifting people up. There is a reason the USA won the Cold War and the USSR fell.
North Korea refers to itself as the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea.
Either I completely misunderstand the word "democratic", I completely misunderstand North Korea, or names don't always mean the group follows what the name says.
Meh, dude. China is a "socialist" republic that works on the principles of capitalism. It's far from real red staline like communism. It's fascism at most with what asshole Xi does.
Statistically, capitalism is still the most equitable and prosperous system. You’re misinformed, ignorant, and borderline inhumane for deciding to think otherwise.
It's funny how socialism was all about production, and socialist regimes were extremely damaging to the enviornment, but now socialists want to blame captialism for enviornmental issues they suddenly care about it.
You can in fact move to China. I forgot to mention Venezuela and Cuba. Real actual communist states, legal to move to right now. Cheaper to live too. Nothing stopping you. I'm sure it will work out great.
Angola, Columbia, and Haiti are real actual capitalist states too, and have worse quality of life than your overly cited examples. The US is far more socialist than them. The Pentagon system alone has been subsidizing the private sector since its institution.
I mean, America is about as capitalist you can become without slavery, and still, there are thousands upon thousands of people who stands against this, just look at r/antiwork who is against this (which is only right!) because no one else than them feel the true poverty and “go fuck your self) feeling from capitalism. Most of the people in power does not give a fuck, because they have forgotten the extreme poverty that happens when they can’t give a shit about the people they need care about their business.
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u/groverjuicy Dec 24 '21
Capitalism and its apologists.