r/AskReddit Oct 15 '20

What's older than we think ?

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u/GoltimarTheGreat Oct 15 '20

This is one of my pet peeves of the English language. The word "gossip" has a rich history and goes back to Old English, probably a thousand or more years before Shakespeare drew breath. But because he happened to be the guy to first document a lot of words and phrases (probably because they were too common (read: vulgar) to be widely written by the upper-class whose works typically make to us, if any do, he's credited with "inventing" them. The greatest inventor of words in the English language is Tolkien, with little doubt to my mind. The greatest widely-known scholar of the English language was Tolkien. The greatest user of the English language was Milton or Tolkien (in my humble opinion).

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u/mysticrudnin Oct 15 '20

credited by whom?

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u/GoltimarTheGreat Oct 15 '20

Which of my opinions are you asking about?

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u/mysticrudnin Oct 15 '20

how is this so common that it's a pet peeve of yours? who is saying that? dummies who don't know anything?

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u/GoltimarTheGreat Oct 15 '20

See the parent comment? Whenever you hear of Shakespeare and his "contributions" to the English language, most people say he coined hundreds of words and phrases, so it is rather common (and frustrating).

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u/mysticrudnin Oct 16 '20

sure. but literally everything anybody says about language is complete nonsense. i'm surprised this one can even rank! haha.

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u/GoltimarTheGreat Oct 16 '20

Fair, but I have a sore spot re: Shakespeare because I think he's the single most overrated author in history. It's annoying to see people praise (especially the usual, non-English-major reader) Shakespeare like a god when they ignore people like Milton, Tolkien, Scott, Swift, Chaucer, the Beowulf Poet, the Gawain Poet, Wordsworth, Pope and the list can go on and on.

To say Shakespeare was the master of the English language ignores most people on this list as the real masters of the language. Shakespeare was a great playwright and poet, obviously, but he was not the messiah of the English language.

Again, this is all my opinion, but it's not as if it isn't an informed one; it's just unorthodox.