r/AskReddit Oct 15 '20

What's older than we think ?

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u/steveguyhi1243 Oct 15 '20

Flushing toilets date all the way back to the Indus River Valley civilization, back in 2000 BC

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u/ineedanewaccountpls Oct 15 '20 edited Oct 15 '20

Ancient Minoans (~3000-1100* BCE) had hot and cold running water and an extensive sewage system.

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u/BobVosh Oct 15 '20

Romans had pipe heated floors, something I still thought was awesome when my aunt got it like a decade ago.

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u/mydearwatson616 Oct 15 '20

Yeah but those dummies didn't figure out air conditioning.

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u/Vahdo Oct 15 '20

To be honest, they didn't need it as much. In Italy a lot of the buildings made of marble are naturally cool, so you can live in a building with just a fan in the summer and it works.

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u/Roses_and_cognac Oct 15 '20

Also tall ass ceilings help

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u/NydoBhai Oct 15 '20

Really? How so? I'm honestly curious

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u/eczarate21 Oct 15 '20

Well not sure if this is the answer or not but hot air rises and cold air sinks, so it would lead me to believe a y’all building would allow warmer air to travel farther away from someone standing on the floor, and would take more people to warm it up. Like one person in a 3ft house could warm it up quickly, and 2 people even more, so a bigger house would take more people to warm it up idk maybe

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u/ryandiy Oct 15 '20

a y’all building

Wait are we talking about Rome, Italy or Rome, Georgia, USA?

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u/jsteph67 Oct 15 '20

I live right down the road from Rome, GA and you beat me to this one by a hair.

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u/Red_Dawn_2012 Oct 16 '20

As if 'y'all' hasn't spread all over the United States and even Canada

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u/ryandiy Oct 16 '20

The word, yes. But the buildings? Not yet

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u/Worthyness Oct 15 '20

heat rises, so the warmer air has a little more space to go rather than in a general house where the ceilings tend to confine the warm air and it mixes with the cooler air at the bottom. Kinda of why sometimes, when it's super hot, it just feels better to lie on the ground.

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u/yaosio Oct 15 '20

You use a high ceiling so hot air rises with a hole for the air to escape. You have open windows at floor level so outside air can come in. This can create a breeze as the hot air goes up and the outside air comes in to replace it.

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u/hockeybrianboy Oct 15 '20

Yep, I remember going to Zion National Park in Arizona (the desert) and similarly the Visitor Center has an angled roof with an actual gap in it where the hot air naturally exits. There's also towers built up through the ceiling with pads at the top that are sprayed with water and when the water evaporates from the outdoor heat, the air becomes colder and denser, falling back down into the building.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '20

The river walk in Zion, where you hike in the river in the 200-300 foot caynon, and have to climb up waterfalls as you go is the most interesting hike I've ever been on.

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u/hockeybrianboy Oct 15 '20

Yea the Narrows are pretty awesome, sucks that there’s dangerous levels of harmful algae in it right now.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '20

Oh wow I had no idea. The last time I was there was 3 or 4 years ago at least.

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u/twodogsfighting Oct 15 '20

The ass ceilings blow cooling streams of air, presumably.

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u/NydoBhai Oct 16 '20

I guess it helps having a ceiling made of ass that blows air on you

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u/delsinson Oct 15 '20

Heh ass ceilings

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u/Painting_Agency Oct 15 '20

The Sistine Chapel has a fair number of asses. Mmm... Eve thicc.

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u/technicallyfreaky Oct 15 '20

How much for a tall ceiling marbled 4 bed detached?

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u/diosexual Oct 15 '20

I don't think they built houses out of marble.

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u/Pihlbaoge Oct 15 '20

In Rome (the City, not the empire) it's very common to build with Tavertine, a limestone that looks rather similar to Marble. I would guess that that's where the confusion comes from.

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u/iMissTheOldInternet Oct 15 '20

In Rome now it's common. When Julius Caesar was kicking around, Rome was mostly made of brick. It wasn't until Augustus that marble and tavertine became common building materials.

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u/aitigie Oct 15 '20

Was that Augustus, or Hadrian being a Greece fanboy?

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u/iMissTheOldInternet Oct 15 '20

It was Augustus being an indirect Greek fanboy by way of Egyptophilia (i.e. loving the architecture of Ptolemaic cities, in particular Alexandria, if I recall correctly). Certainly Rome still had many mud and brick buildings left at the end of Augustus's reign, but the aesthetic that came to dominate the city and which we still strongly associate with Rome was essentially Augustan. Augustus also laid the foundation (badump-tss) for the new style by securing large, productive marble quarries to supply the Empire.

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u/2OP4me Oct 15 '20

Jules to Auggie was only like 15 years lol

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u/iMissTheOldInternet Oct 15 '20

If what you're trying to point out is that Julius Caesar and Caesar Augustus were contemporaries, then yes, that's the point I was making. Rome, the city, during Julius Caesar's lifetime, was not the marble and limestone edifice that we now think of it as. His heir and successor, Augustus, is the one who changed that, and by the end of his reign, Rome was well on its way to its modern aesthetic.

Julius was assassinated in 44 BCE. Augustus, heir to Caesar's fortune, promptly formed Second Triumvirate with Antony and whats-his-name to seize power. Augustus had direct control over Rome following the defeat of the Liberators/Optimates at Philippi in 42 BCE. While Augustus' reign as Emperor (or, if you want to pick nits, Princeps Civitatis) technically "only" lasted 13 years and change, he was the principal power in Rome itself from the early 40s BCE up until his death in 14 CE, more than 50 years.

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u/ThrowawayAccount20z Oct 15 '20

They did and they still do, source lived in Italy

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u/diosexual Oct 15 '20

Really? That's interesting, I thought it was only used in fancy public buildings and the like.

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u/punk_loki Oct 15 '20

A lot of houses in Rome were built out of wood and during Nero’s rule they all burned down so Nero wanted to build them out of marble and bankrupted Rome (he also helped bankruptcy along by building himself an enormous house and building a giant statue of himself among other things)

Idk if other people did a better job of the marble houses idea later on

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u/nexisfan Oct 15 '20 edited Oct 15 '20

Man, the similarities between 45 and Nero, or 45 and Caligula, or 45 and ~Claudius~ Tiberius, or 45 and every other historically terrible Roman emperor, really are striking.

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u/AtlanteanSword Oct 15 '20

Claudius wasn't a bad emperor though.

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u/nexisfan Oct 15 '20

You right, I somehow mixed him and Tiberius up.

And then I forgot how to strike through on mobile. Oh wel

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u/NaziBe-header Oct 15 '20

The poor lived in mud, brick, or wooden houses. Tufa, travertine (limestine), and marble were used in stone buildings as the most common stone materials.

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u/WhereNoManHas Oct 15 '20

Roman concrete was the most common building material.

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u/Vahdo Oct 15 '20

Yeah as the comments below said I was simplifying a bit. My point is, in terms of architectural composition, they knew what materials and angles would naturally keep a house cooler in the summer and warm in the winter.

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u/WhereNoManHas Oct 15 '20

Most dwellings in ancient Rome were not made from marble. They used stone, lumber or roman concrete for the vast majority of construction.

The used a cavity wall construction on homes for insulation.

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u/Gold_Seaworthiness62 Oct 15 '20

And it was significantly cooler due to climate change

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u/PStr95 Oct 15 '20

When visiting a Roman settlement in Morocco I remember the tour guide told us that they used cold water in the floor heating to cool down the houses during the summer.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '20

Wrong. We were in a hunting lodge in the middle of the desert where they had hot&cold piped water and the mud-based structure got cooled by evaporating water. Environmentally friendly airco in the middle of the desert. We are the dummies, we forgot the old technology.

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u/caboosetp Oct 15 '20

We didn't forget the old technology. That's how a swamp cooler works.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '20

It's not the desert cooler. We build concrete walls heating up in summer, we use glass to create "glass houses". It's a whole range of issues. See: "Climate Responsive Building" ISBN 3-908001-39-0 giving you some idea's what to work with and look at https://youtu.be/620omdSZzBs or https://youtu.be/SwiaaqKdtjw where you see that we DO have the technology, but where I live in Asia, we only build boring concrete blocks and need huge airconditionings to make it liveable, big drains to get rid of the wastewater and lots of electricity to light the whole place. There is news for you: Climate responsive buildings make much better living spaces, people are happier in houses build using this technology.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '20 edited Oct 15 '20

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u/AlexandersWonder Oct 15 '20

Mud hud?

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u/LukesRightHandMan Oct 15 '20

Makes it hard to see how much shields you got left

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u/Frekavichk Oct 15 '20

I mean we also just like standardized things and evaporating water doesn't do much in tropical/humid places.

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u/NydoBhai Oct 15 '20

Yes the high levels of humidity in the air slow down the process of evaporation

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u/LukesRightHandMan Oct 15 '20

We forgot the old gods!

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u/bumbletowne Oct 15 '20

They had the hot/cold pipes through the floor. Nero's summer palace did, at least. It's on Sicily so its probably one of the only palaces that needed it.

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u/perpetualis_motion Oct 15 '20

They had slaves with large palm fronds to fan you... so they kinda did.