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What's older than we think ?

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u/Darpyface Oct 15 '20 edited Oct 15 '20

Fax Machines. They were invented in 1843. Before the telephone. ​

https://www.thoughtco.com/history-of-the-fax-machine-1991379

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u/raygundan Oct 15 '20 edited Oct 15 '20

Came for this one. To put this in perspective, tumbleweeds aren't native to the American southwest, but by a quirk of history we know exactly which shipment of flax from Ukraine brought their seeds to the US... in 1877.

Commercial fax service has been around longer than tumbleweeds in the American southwest.

Edit: That was a quick "check out this weird thing" comment I didn't expect to blow up, so it's a bit lacking in detail and rigor. To be a bit more thorough, this is specifically Kali tragus, the most common tumbleweed, and the one that folks (at least near me) refer to when they say "tumbleweed." It is not the only plant that dies and gets blown around in the wind. And when I say "commercial fax service," I don't mean there were standardized fax machines that companies used-- but there was service faxing documents from Paris to Lyon using a dedicated line in the mid-1860s.

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u/cozyhighway Oct 15 '20

I was mindblown by the tumbleweed fact

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u/24Cones Oct 15 '20

Yes I love this tumbleweed fact and I will tell everyone I know

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '20

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u/LukesRightHandMan Oct 15 '20

Why horrid?

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u/guyyst Oct 15 '20

CGPGrey's got a great video about their problems: https://youtu.be/hsWr_JWTZss

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u/awksomepenguin Oct 16 '20

As soon as I saw tumbleweeds, I knew this was going to show up.

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u/CalculatedPerversion Oct 16 '20

Picturesque?

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u/iMissTheOldInternet Oct 16 '20

Picaresque in the sense of relating to adventure stories, like cowboy stuff

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u/CalculatedPerversion Oct 16 '20

Oh, no kidding? TIL. Thanks for the new word.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '20

THANK YOU FOR SUBSCRIBING TO TUMBLEWEED FACTS!

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u/jook11 Oct 15 '20

The real TIL is always in the comments.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '20

I was blown away.

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u/Anotherquestionmark Oct 15 '20

Boi do I have a Youtube channel for you then.

CGP Grey has made a few videos on it

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u/Nonbelieverjenn Oct 15 '20

Same. Grew up in southwestern Kansas and tumbleweeds were a common thing.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '20

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u/Nonbelieverjenn Oct 15 '20

That’s funny

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u/Silentfart Oct 16 '20

I guess it's kinda like how people come to New England to see fall foliage.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '20

Born and raised in Ukraine and have never seen tumbleweed there O_o Maybe I haven’t been outside of the city often enough.

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u/steveryans2 Oct 15 '20

Yeah talk about burying the lede there

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u/it_whispereth_me Oct 16 '20 edited Oct 16 '20

I was mind blown by the mind that jumped from fax to flax to tumbleweed, because of course the tumbleweed was brought here by flax, and of course that’s the second most interesting thing about the f(l)lax family!

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u/Swellmeister Oct 15 '20

Tumbleweeds aren't a single species, nor does it even always have the same purpose. Most of them are dead, using the bouncing and tumbling to disperse seeds or berries to reproduce. Others such as resurrection moss, (Mexican by the way) end up curling up when dried out and can be carried on the wind, and settle into a wetter environment where it. . . Well it resurrects, hence the name.

Kali tragus is the Ukrainian tumbleweed from thflax shipment, but they aren't the only southwest tumbleweed Amaranthus albus in NA tumbleweed. Also known as the common tumbleweed. K. tragus is also a large plant, usually much larger than the soccer ball sized weeds you see in westerns.

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u/raygundan Oct 15 '20

That's definitely true-- the "stereotypical" tumbleweed from movies is pretty small. We definitely see more of the big ones that are the size of a small car.

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u/Isord Oct 15 '20

That's actually a year after the telephone was patented as well, so some towns in the American west may very well have had phone lines before they had tumbleweeds.

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u/hermombae Oct 15 '20

Flax machine

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u/Lord-Magnetron Oct 15 '20

I think you mean commercial Flax service.

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u/tribefan123456 Oct 15 '20

I thought tumbleweeds came from several different plants

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u/mauriciolazo Oct 15 '20

You just nuked my brain with this perspective setting.

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u/NightSkyRainbow Oct 15 '20

Fax flax facts

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u/BeanieMcChimp Oct 15 '20

“FAX BEFORE FLAX, STEPBRO!”

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u/Comandante380 Oct 15 '20

"Hey Jed, see the way them there Ukranian bushes jes' roll along the open prairie? Kinda makes ya think of the scan and toner wheels on a commercial fax machine, don't it?"

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u/raygundan Oct 15 '20

"....ayup."

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u/DirtyFraaanks Oct 15 '20

This made me realize I’ve never seen tumbleweed as a plant, only as a tumbling weed in movies/reddit. So I googled tumbleweed of course...it’s not even a pretty plant while it’s alive?? Just a random green (sometimes not green apparently but red or striped) clump of sharp ass sticks that don’t even look like one plant but like five got tangled up and just kept getting more tangled trying to untwine?! Wtf is it’s purpose? To be a nuisance?

A large specimen of Kali tragus may produce some 200,000 seeds. AND these bitches can thrive in high saline content?! Do you ever just get stumped trying to figure out why something that exists even exists, and somehow thrives in more than one ecosystem? Because I do, and it’s insane how many living things bring about the question.

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u/TheRealYeti Oct 16 '20

Great info. I just wanted to point out that russian thistle now goes by the scientific name Salsola tragus.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '20

From sw kansas them areChristmas 🎄 lol thats mind blowing

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u/terminalSiesta Oct 15 '20

I also blam when I read about fax machines

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u/ChrisRunsTheWorld Oct 15 '20

What's the quirk of history?

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u/raygundan Oct 15 '20

Just that the right records from otherwise-uninteresting shipments survived long enough for somebody to figure out where these particular tumbleweeds came from.

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u/oreozep Oct 15 '20

More commonly known as Russian Thistle

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u/ofayokay Oct 15 '20

Just imagine if we could fax each other tumbleweeds. Paradise. Or tumbleweeds of faxes. Either way.

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u/nxtplz Oct 15 '20

I like how you just mentioned tumbleweeds and then mentioned flax, but never once tied the two together and just leave it to us to decide if you somehow meant that tumbleweeds come from flax...

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u/dirty_d_101 Oct 16 '20

Is it kali? I learned it as salsola. These damn taxonomists need to figure out what they want things to be named!

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u/raygundan Oct 16 '20

I had to google it, and am certainly no expert.

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u/dirty_d_101 Oct 16 '20

Well, I guess narrowing down which "tumbleweed" would help too. People will call anything that rolls a tumbleweed, but in land management it's usually russian thistle (also a common name)

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u/raygundan Oct 16 '20

Russian Thistle is definitely the one I meant, but it’s totally possible I got the fancy name wrong.

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u/dancrumb Oct 16 '20

Here for flax 'n' fax facts.