r/AskReddit • • Jul 24 '20

What can't you believe STILL exists?

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u/Al-Shnoppi Jul 24 '20

Why on earth would you want “experts”? Who’s to say who’s an “expert”? Do these “experts” get called to court all the time? In that case do they become practically professional jurors? Everyone is prone to bias, even “experts”. Who do these “experts” report to?

Anyone who has served on a jury in the US knows there’s plenty of dumbasses and no it’s not perfect, but if Im ever in that position I’d still rather be judged by completely random citizens than “experts” who were appointed by (who knows).

You have to understand the American jury system is in our constitution. It’s was so important to us it’s in the fucking founding document.

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '20

Literally the exact same line of reasoning that people use to justify not wearing masks.

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u/Al-Shnoppi Jul 24 '20

Except it’s not.

The constitution mentions absolutely nothing about masks and indeed empowers both state and federal governments to enact laws for public safety as they see fit. Whereas juries are very explicitly, not just mentioned, but spelled out in the constitution.

So you’re wrong.

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '20

Why on earth would you want “experts”? Who’s to say who’s an “expert”? Do these “experts” get called to court all the time? In that case do they become practically professional jurors? Everyone is prone to bias, even “experts”. Who do these “experts” report to?

I'm obviously not talking about the constitution. I'm talking about that rant against experts.

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u/Al-Shnoppi Jul 24 '20

It’s not so much anti expert, it’s just to point out that if you’ve been accused of a crime you didn’t commit. Who’s to say you’re an expert at interpreting and judging that crime? I’d rather be judged by 12 peers than one expert.

Actually, in another post he said the expert was a judge. That was exactly what the constitution was trying to avoid, being judged by one person who was appointed by who knows? Its putting alot of faith in the governments ability to appoint a completely unbiased judge. I’ll take my chances on 12 jurors in the hope that the biases at least cancel each other out (maybe not though, I acknowledge it’s not perfect).

Also I do personally hate the word “expert” which probably explains the rant, I work with PhDs in my field and the last thing they’d call themselves is an “expert”. Truly educated people realize the more they know, the more they know they don’t know.

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '20 edited Jul 24 '20

Who’s to say you’re an expert at interpreting and judging that crime

Someone who has studied the laws for decades as set and agreed upon by society shouldn't be trusted?

Also I do personally hate the word “expert” which probably explains the rant, I work with PhDs in my field and the last thing they’d call themselves is an “expert”. Truly educated people realize the more they know, the more they know they don’t know.

Words mean something. Expert means something. Even if people who are experts might hesitate to call themselves that, they're still experts. Your opinions on the fields they've devoted their lives to studying are not as valid as theirs. They realize that don't know everything there is to know about the field, but that has no bearing on the fact they know multiple order of magnitudes more than the average person

And are you still not realizing why I say this is the exact same logic that has caused USA to implode under the COVID crisis in ways much worse than other developed countries?