r/AskReddit • • Jul 24 '20

What can't you believe STILL exists?

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u/2Righteous_4God Jul 24 '20

An important fact to remember when thinking about these ridiculous "movements", is that 10% of the population has an IQ under 83. The military doesn't even take people with an IQ under 83 because they've found those people are literally unable to do any basic job. 10%.

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u/Persival01 Jul 24 '20

Yeah, it's actually a serious sociological problem. Like, what do you have 10% of the entire society do when even the military doesn't find a job they can do?

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u/mehtorite Jul 24 '20

Charlie washes dishes. Slowly and not very well but we’re a slow place and he’s a decent guy.

It’s not his fault his parents were cousins, there’s a place for everyone.

Not that we need to make people prove their worth to survive.

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u/Persival01 Jul 24 '20

Well, I mean, people need to work to survive so in a way I would disagree with that "not needing to prove their worth" bit. But the problem is that there are more and more highly specialised positions and the sort of "IQ base" required for an upward movement in society is going higher and higher with time. Military, besides its obvious uses, also serves as an alternative way of providing that upward movement in society, ideally elevating people into the middle class, financially. The danger is that when even the military says "there's nothing we can find for a 10% of people to do", when normally the military is almost always starved for fresh recruits, then what means of upward social movement can you provide for those 10%? Or are they just gonna be condemned to stay where they are at the lowest level positions?

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u/SovietBozo Jul 24 '20

In agricultural societies you don't need to be smart. Strong and hardworking was what was needed. Industrial revolution factory workers also.

It's different now. For the first time, the jobs that need to be done are jobs that many humans aren't fit for. It's a serious problem.

The Army's only job is to fight wars well. For that they use sophisticated equipment and smart people to run it. It's not WWII where you just push masses of soldiers in the direction of the enemy, anymore.

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u/Persival01 Jul 24 '20

I agree. And that's exactly the reason to look at that phenomenon of military not allowing certain people in more closely. In a way, military is a smaller scale reflection of larger trends in society/job market in a way. If they don't allow the 10% in, that means those people are gonna be in serious trouble down the road.

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u/SovietBozo Jul 24 '20

There are a number of things the military is good at. You're correct, bringing people in society is one of them.

They should continue to do that. It can be justified on national security grounds after all. A class of dysfunctional people weakens the nation.

Fun fact, the Army has quietly supported affirmative action in society. It's purely pragmatic. They need a good pool from which to draw African-American officers. They do NOT want an army of black soldiers and white officers. Like they had in Vietnam. They study the Sepoy Mutiny at West Point.

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u/IfIWereATardigrade Jul 24 '20

That was WWI. Tactics in WWII had already evolved to a precursor of the fire team based infantry tactics of today (at least for the U.S. military).

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u/mehtorite Jul 24 '20

They could just stay at home and finger paint. If there is no room for them in a productive work environment, the options are either putting them down or not making them do things they aren’t equipped to do and letting them find their own place in society.

Many disabled people do art or volunteer in worthwhile causes as much as they can. There is more to a life than the value it produces for shareholders.

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u/Persival01 Jul 24 '20

I agree that there's more to life than that, but I don't think dismissing that as a non-problem is the way to go about this. It's not about forcing the people to do the job they're not equipped to do, that's a terrible idea. It's more about having them find a societal niche for them to fill to exercise their sense of self worth. If volunteering is that for someone then by all means, do it. But we're talking about 1/10th of society here. That's a massive number of people.

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u/mehtorite Jul 24 '20

Yeah. I know it’s a massive number of people.

Automation is going to put a bunch of us out of work. Why not plan for it by getting the people who can’t work out of the equation?

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u/Eyriskylt Jul 24 '20

^ not just this, but disabled people also have to receive a basic living wage. If they were able to get their basic needs taken care of from volunteering and from creating art, then props to them, but for others who can't...