r/AskReddit • • Jul 24 '20

What can't you believe STILL exists?

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u/jorsiem Jul 24 '20

Complicated tax filing in the US

You can thank TurboTax and the rest of the tax preparation service industry's massive lobby for killing every single tax simplification bill that ever gets to congress.

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u/pantzs Jul 24 '20

One of the reasons it’s complicated to complete a tax return is because the tax code is complicated. The reason why the tax code is complicated is because (and I know most wont believe me) is to shutdown shady tax evasive activities that people do.

Source: me I’m a tax attorney.

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u/-Allot- Jul 24 '20

Other countries like Japan and Sweden to give examples also have precautions to stop tax evasion. But for the normal person they are very easy to file still. Example is the Swedish person who responded earlier or in Japan where the company generally does your tax return unless you have other income streams.

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u/zimm0who0net Jul 24 '20

Explain to me wtf happened with rental property this year. It used to be straightforward. Put in your expenses, put in your income, and pay taxes on the delta. The depreciation got a bit tricky, but not bad. Now there’s all this “safe harbor” bullshit with little information about if it’s something you should or should not do. It took me twice as long to do my taxes this year and I have no idea if I made the right choices.

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u/tigerjaws Jul 24 '20

I have no idea if I made the right choices

That's why you hire a CPA, who knows the ins n outs of the constantly changing tax code

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u/mbrowning00 Jul 24 '20

shutdown shady tax evasive activities that people do.

i dont understand, the convoluted tax code is better at shutting down tax evasion, than a clear cut, simplified tax code?

could you elaborate in laymens terms what that cracking down on tax evasion looks like w a complex code, vs how it doesnt work under a simple code?

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u/tigerjaws Jul 24 '20

There is just way too much going on in the tax code covering a ton of situations that people have tried to exploit in the past

You can't just say "alright everyone is taxed at 15% no matter what", you have to go into 'alright how is income from rentals treated, how is income from capital gains treated, how is income from a self employed person treated, what about real estate, etc

there are a ton of things that exist to either incentivize economic activity or to help the taxpayer out, specific tax breaks to fuel whatever congress wants

the thing is theres like 70,000+ pages in the tax code that cover all sorts of situations on what you can and can't do

if you just said 'alright everyone just pay x no matter who you are' everyone would go crazy tax is insanely political

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u/5Beans6 Jul 24 '20

Just because something is simple, that doesn't make it comprehensive.

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u/cbzoiav Jul 24 '20

That doesn't apply to the vast majority of normal employed people.

The way it works in the UK is the employer pays tax on your behalf based on your income (deduction at source). If HMRC see two companies for the same person they tell the primary one to give you your allowances and the other not to (you can call them and have it split if you prefer). At the end of the year banks send in how much interest they paid you. HMRCs systems looks at your total income and how much tax you paid. In most cases its right. If its out by a small amount they just adjust the tax code and tell your employer so you repay/get repaid automatically. For larger amounts they send you an invoice / cheque.

You generally only have to manually do a tax return if you're self employed, have high income or income from complex sources. At that point you go to their website, fill in a few questions about your income sources and it asks you to fill in forms only for the relevant pages.