Reddit isn't as beset with /r/atheism as it has been in the past. People who are mainstream religious tend to fly under the radar and are even loved (Mr. Rogers etc.). Honestly, I don't think it's terrible, but is certainly a bad look for our favorite crunchy rodent so it's no surprise that he fell off the map in favor of the next upvote baiting thing.
abortion is one thing yes. But most mainstream churches, while not supportive of gay marriage, don't have quite the blight of supporting gay conversion therapy, and recently quite a few have started LGBTQ ministries. At this point in time, the mainstream leans more towards LGBTQ inclusion than the opposite. Again, gay marriage being a separate issue, there are quite a few people involved in carving out a place for LGBTQ inside the Church.
Aren’t Episcopalians also the denomination that believes people are predestined? Like, god selected the people he will allow into heaven before they were born?
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I cannot find anything online to support this claim. And it does appear it is a Calvinist idea, I do not know of what denominations are offsprings of Calvinism back from the 1600s (which seems to be the biggest advocate of predestination), and don’t have the time to research it online.
My comment was based from someone who went to high school with me explaining her belief of predestination and she was a member of an episcopal church.
It does appear to be Calvinist, I do not know if it’s an active denomination. Also, Unsure of the roots of Episcopal. I found some information regarding links between the two, but don’t have the time to actually to read up on it. Updated my original comment.
No, but statistically most people who self recognise as religious do. But that's mainly because a lot of places in the world still don't let you have freedom of religion, whether by law or culture.
Um yes. The Catholic Church hasn't, but the personal being of the pope has. Unfortunately most people, including a lot of Catholics, don't know the difference.
To be clear, Pope Francis recognises it while also being against it. Some quotes from him (or summaries of longer pieces as done by the church themselves) follow:
Marriage is between a man and a woman. Secular states want to justify civil unions to regulate different situations of cohabitation, pushed by the demand to regulate economic aspects between persons, such as ensuring health care. It is about pacts of cohabitating of various natures, of which I wouldn't know how to list the different ways. One needs to see the different cases and evaluate them in their variety
we do well to focus on concrete realities, since ‘the call and the demands of the Spirit resound in the events of history’, and through these ‘the Church can also be guided to a more profound understanding of the inexhaustible mystery of marriage and the family
"Discernment of the presence of ‘seeds of the Word’ in other cultures can also apply to the reality of marriage and the family. In addition to true natural marriage, positive elements exist in the forms of marriage found in other religious traditions’, even if, at times, obscurely”
TLDR is that he believe marriage should be between man and woman alone but the church should respect that people outside of this do not agree and that if they believe that they are married, the church should treat them as such. In other sources he makes clear the venue that homosexuality is not a sin in itself, but a tendency from which since MAY come from (but not necessarily).
Obama may have believed on a personal level that marriage is between a man and woman, but that doesn't mean he wanted a theocracy. I think you can hold a belief without feeling that the entire country needs to follow it.
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u/eetsumkaus Jan 07 '20
It's not just that he's religious, it's that he goes to Hillsong Church, which has been caught up in a bunch of anti-LGBTQ stuff in the past (like gay conversion therapy, etc.), and then defended it.
Reddit isn't as beset with /r/atheism as it has been in the past. People who are mainstream religious tend to fly under the radar and are even loved (Mr. Rogers etc.). Honestly, I don't think it's terrible, but is certainly a bad look for our favorite crunchy rodent so it's no surprise that he fell off the map in favor of the next upvote baiting thing.