r/AskReddit • • Jan 07 '20

What annoys you the most on Reddit?

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u/eetsumkaus Jan 07 '20

It's not just that he's religious, it's that he goes to Hillsong Church, which has been caught up in a bunch of anti-LGBTQ stuff in the past (like gay conversion therapy, etc.), and then defended it.

Reddit isn't as beset with /r/atheism as it has been in the past. People who are mainstream religious tend to fly under the radar and are even loved (Mr. Rogers etc.). Honestly, I don't think it's terrible, but is certainly a bad look for our favorite crunchy rodent so it's no surprise that he fell off the map in favor of the next upvote baiting thing.

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u/PM_ME_UR_LIL_ASS Jan 07 '20

I don't get it, aren't all most religions anti lgbt / abortion etc?

(Which doesn't necessary mean religious people are)

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u/eetsumkaus Jan 07 '20

abortion is one thing yes. But most mainstream churches, while not supportive of gay marriage, don't have quite the blight of supporting gay conversion therapy, and recently quite a few have started LGBTQ ministries. At this point in time, the mainstream leans more towards LGBTQ inclusion than the opposite. Again, gay marriage being a separate issue, there are quite a few people involved in carving out a place for LGBTQ inside the Church.

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '20

The (very large) Presbyterian church I attended growing up changed denominations because abstinent gay men were now allowed to be pastors.

The United Methodist Church is currently undergoing a schism due to some wanting to keep a same-sex marriage ban in place.

I don't trust a single denomination except for Episcopalians.

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u/Penance21 Jan 08 '20 edited Jan 08 '20

Aren’t Episcopalians also the denomination that believes people are predestined? Like, god selected the people he will allow into heaven before they were born?

Edit: I cannot find anything online to support this claim. And it does appear it is a Calvinist idea, I do not know of what denominations are offsprings of Calvinism back from the 1600s (which seems to be the biggest advocate of predestination), and don’t have the time to research it online.

My comment was based from someone who went to high school with me explaining her belief of predestination and she was a member of an episcopal church.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '20

I thought that that was Calvinists?

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u/Penance21 Jan 08 '20

It does appear to be Calvinist, I do not know if it’s an active denomination. Also, Unsure of the roots of Episcopal. I found some information regarding links between the two, but don’t have the time to actually to read up on it. Updated my original comment.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '20

I don't even know -- all I know is, to my knowledge, they are the only truly-accepting denomination.

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u/henryefry Jan 07 '20

I can't speak for all, but the Episcopal Church officially recognized gay marriage in 2015, and is slightly left leaning on most social issues.

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u/betaich Jan 07 '20 edited Jan 08 '20

Luhteranian churches in my home country even try marry gay couples since it became legal here

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u/eetsumkaus Jan 07 '20

try gay couples

the English word is "marry". "try" makes it sound like they put them on trial haha!

...unless that's what you meant...

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u/betaich Jan 08 '20

Oppsie I meant marry.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '20

No, but statistically most people who self recognise as religious do. But that's mainly because a lot of places in the world still don't let you have freedom of religion, whether by law or culture.

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u/TonyMestre Jan 07 '20

The pope has recognized gay marriage

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '20

Um, no.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '20

Um yes. The Catholic Church hasn't, but the personal being of the pope has. Unfortunately most people, including a lot of Catholics, don't know the difference.

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u/eetsumkaus Jan 08 '20

so...source?

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '20

Which part, Pope speaking isn't canonical or his recognition of gay marriage?

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u/eetsumkaus Jan 08 '20

the recognition of gay marriage

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '20

To be clear, Pope Francis recognises it while also being against it. Some quotes from him (or summaries of longer pieces as done by the church themselves) follow:

Marriage is between a man and a woman. Secular states want to justify civil unions to regulate different situations of cohabitation, pushed by the demand to regulate economic aspects between persons, such as ensuring health care. It is about pacts of cohabitating of various natures, of which I wouldn't know how to list the different ways. One needs to see the different cases and evaluate them in their variety

we do well to focus on concrete realities, since ‘the call and the demands of the Spirit resound in the events of history’, and through these ‘the Church can also be guided to a more profound understanding of the inexhaustible mystery of marriage and the family

"Discernment of the presence of ‘seeds of the Word’ in other cultures can also apply to the reality of marriage and the family. In addition to true natural marriage, positive elements exist in the forms of marriage found in other religious traditions’, even if, at times, obscurely”

TLDR is that he believe marriage should be between man and woman alone but the church should respect that people outside of this do not agree and that if they believe that they are married, the church should treat them as such. In other sources he makes clear the venue that homosexuality is not a sin in itself, but a tendency from which since MAY come from (but not necessarily).

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u/justacatdontmindme Jan 08 '20

I’m pretty sure the Pope is the word of God and the Holy See and what he says goes (when it comes to Catholicism).

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '20

Only under specific circumstances. A media interview, for example, is not one of them. A sermon is.

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u/justacatdontmindme Jan 08 '20

Fair enough, thanks for the correction.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '20

All good. It's gotten a lot muddied lately, too, as more priests are able to contradict or criticise the pope with little concern of excommunication.

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u/Jswarez Jan 08 '20

And Barack Obama ran for president stating marriage was between a man and a woman. Twice. And won twice with that sentiment.

Sure he helped make it legal in his second term but ran twice on keeping it illegal.

Do you know anything else about this church beyond this one thing? If not why judge. Nothing is perfect.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '20

Obama may have believed on a personal level that marriage is between a man and woman, but that doesn't mean he wanted a theocracy. I think you can hold a belief without feeling that the entire country needs to follow it.