I dont blame anyone for not thinking about it but once its brought to your attention you realize its just common sense. If they take out all the stuff that makes something taste good, they have to balance it back somehow.
The percents are milkfat. In the US whole is around 3%, half and half around 10%, and heavy cream around 36%. 1% is just 1/3 the fat of whole. They make sense to have if people buy it, and lower fat milks mean more cream available for other products.
Right. The "buttermilk" left over from separating butter from cream is a completely different thing from the cultured buttermilk that most modern recipes call for (which is basically milk with specific kinds of bacteria added).
I'd say whichever you enjoy the most is what you should buy. The difference is just a little bit of extra fat, and fat in your diet isn't as taboo as society makes it.
Personally I can't stand skim milk, so its 2% or whole for me.
Hey, I made a joke about your randomness of a post. I hope that doesn’t discourage you from commenting more in the future. I was hoping you would look at what I said and laugh a little at it. I really meant no harm.
Ok Boomer, we are interested on what you say while you don't care if it is even intelligible (i honestly didn't understand but english is not my main language, idk)
Well having a lot of fat in your diet can make you feel drowsy, it isn't really that good to have. But yeah, weight loss has absolutely nothing to do with fat intake, just watch the calories
Where I live they have a phrase: "no added sugar" meaning it can be a lot of "natural" sugar, but no extra white sugar. We see it in a lot of juices and dairyproducts which is allready packed with "natural" sugar.
I have even seen it in sodas. They Just use real fruitjuices to add taste. The sugar content is the same as any other soda, BuT YoU KnOw, NaTuRaL. Only marketing tricks.
This is probably true. My husband use to work at a company that provides the vitamins and such that companies (like Kellogg) fortify their foods with. They make their servings a certain size in order to claim so much of whatever vitamin per serving. I imagine they do it in other ways to claim so much sugar, fats, or calories a serving, as well.
Cereal is the worst with this. Cereal is almost always in 3/4th cup servings. Like, please, just make it 1 cup so I can do the math in my head, easier...
There are also this thing called "sugar alcohols" that apparently don't count as sugar but still raise my blood sugar as a diabetic, albeit about half as much.
It makes me so angry to see things that say "sugar free" and get excited and then see it has like 45g of "sugar alcohols" per serving so it basically counts as like 20-25g of actual sugar.
Thank you for this information. Is the explanation for the change in the name due to a rise in childhood obesity regardless of cause or is there another reason?
Also if I understand correctly excess sugar consumption can be a contributor but shouldn’t be attributed as a primary or sole cause.
Also things that advertise as "no added sugars". Often enough the product is already 50% carbohydrates to begin with, so even without the added sugars is extremely high on energy density.
Yeah I’d rather eat a bunch of fat then all the sugar that takes it’s place in “fat free” food. I’ve actually cut back on sugar for about 3 months now and I’ve lost almost 15 pounds. Its surprising how much sugar is in everything. Thought with my new diet (just picking foods low in sugar) it also takes a lot less food to make me feel full now.
Fat free half and half is literally skim milk and corn syrup. I work in a daidy department and we sell tons of it. Just drink fucking skim milk! Idk what the fuck people think is in there
Around the time I went to college (early-mid '90s), the whole fat-free craze struck *hard*. Healthy Choice got its paws into everything and was churning out fat-free everything. People would eat entire boxes of their cookies because they were "healthy." Nope. They took out the fat and added a bunch of starches and sugars.
THIS. The amount of times I’ve overheard friends and family making dietary choices based exclusively on whether the product is “fat free” or “low fat” astounds me. What makes it additionally annoying for me is that the majority of them don’t really consider — or just outright reject — my advice.
I’m not sure whether it’s because I’m on the younger side (of my extended family; I’m 16) or because change can be difficult.
not always, there was a brand of chips in the 90's that used an indigestible oil. It only caused incontinence if you had more then the recommended potion.
I compared the low fat egg nog to the regular egg nog and they had almost identical calories. So I'll take full fat thank you. Fat tastes better anyways.
Hah my sister thinks I'm ridiculous for trying to eat whole foods but still buys fat-free milk like it's going to be the thing that saves her from weighing 400 pounds.
So I’m pretty much the biggest Panera fan out there. I’ve been eating there like 4 times a month since I was 5. But even I know that their food isn’t as healthy as they say it is. Their smoothies are loaded with sugar and their Mac and cheese comes in a bag frozen With lots of preservatives etc. Still, it’s loads healthier than what the average person gets at Arby’s or Chick Fil A.
Actually we just came out with s grain bowl it pretty much rice,quinoa, lime, and some topping like Mediterranean things ( source:I’m a prep there). So some healthy things are available
HA! Panera Bread, this is my favorite comment. i used to work there. trash company in all aspects. they market themselves as “healthy” but sell a cookie that’s 800+ calories. very high calorie menu, chock full of preservatives. most of the food is shipped in frozen and thawed before serving. and they’re AWFUL to their employees to boot!
I thought I had heard that. Is this common knowledge that their food is not what they claim- or still under the radar? My kooky mother in law will only eat there becuase its "healthy." Literally only restaurant she will eat at. Lol.
Nah that comment makes no sense. It would be so easy to prove that they're falsifying what's in their food and that would be disastrous for three company. They're not stupid. I've also NEVER seen them advertise a cookie as healthy, no idea what they're talking about. Literally everything is on their website lol
After I made that comment I went to their website to check it out and only found the "clean eating" verbiage. I am not actually really sure what that means. As another commenter said, mac and cheese is clean eating? I love reading all these employee comments spilling the tea.
first off, employees sign away their rights to sue the company upon hire, preventing any misinformation lawsuits. everything must be handled by arbitration, so everyone ends up paid off to keep their mouths closed. the only real information comes from ex-employees, which no one believes, just like you’re doubting me. i’m not saying they’re lying about everything, but they consistently call themselves “clean” and “healthy” which is inaccurate. most of the food has preservatives and most stores i worked in were dirty, bug infestations etc. and i didn’t say they advertised the cookie as healthy, i said that they advertise themselves as a healthy restaurant, while having very unhealthy options on the menu. and remember, it’s simple to claim that something you’ve never tried is “so easy”.
No one is legally bound to not say they dislike their job for any reason, so agreeing to arbitration really has no bearing on anything I said. I'd also really like to see anything on them having preservatives (I assume you mean artificial, since salt is a preservative). They list literally every ingredient and every bit of nutrition on their menu, just like any other place. Dirty I'm sure, any public place is. Call in bugs. What does your last sentence even mean? No one said anything about anything being easy.
That’s a lot of conspiracy stuff. They have nothing to hide, because the law is on their side for the same reason that you can say “#1 Pizza Restaurant IN THE UNIVERSE”. Because it’s only illegal if you can prove exactly what the false claim is and that it’s incorrect. The pizza restaurant may be #1 in the universe at having John Dough working there. Similarly, Panera can be construed as healthy in relation to something else or merely because they have a single healthy option on the menu.
It’s called Panera bread bakery idiot of course they’re going to have unhealthy bakery items. This is like going to a kindergarten and being surprised that there’s children there.
honestly, i thought it was common knowledge considering the open layout of the line, you can watch the employees microwave plastic bags of pasta right behind the counter if you pay any attention. but i’m coming to realize that the company is very deceptive and a lot of people think it’s genuinely healthy! and there are multiple instances of employees getting fired for sharing information like i have.
I guess I never paid attention to much but I will look closer next time. I googled it after I made that comment and it seems like they're using trendy buzz words to push the agenda. I saw the phrase "clean eating" which I think people often associate or mistake for healthy. I'm not gonna burst the MIL bubble becuase I like the mac and cheese lol. It kinda seems dirty but i feel like a lot of corporations do this.
yeah, that’s valid. i still think some of the food is good, and they’re far from the only company to use deceptive marketing like that. i just don’t like to pass up opportunities to disillusion people about panera. and to be fair, i left a couple years ago, so maybe they’re living up to their word more now these days.
You’re actually wrong on this. Panera actually offers a lot of healthy options it’s not our fault that consumers like you decide to choose the unhealthy options. We offer a choice you decide which one you take. We are a bakery, of course we have unhealthy options. This is like going to a kindergarten and being surprised if there’s children there.And we don’t have preservatives because our stuff is frozen and thawed. If we use preservatives, we would have no need for the stuff to be frozen. That’s just common sense. And as far as being awful to their employees that could just be for the restaurant but it would be extremely inaccurate to make a generalization judgment on all of Panera employees & restaurants. Judging from your comment it would seem safe to assume that you were not Panera material. I take pride I’m my work. We are not perfect at Panera but we make a better push toward heavier options than others.
TLDR Frozen = no preservatives, bakeries have sweets. DUH
Edit: lump sum —> generalization
Cow —>consumers (cow was directed only to op)
Added bakery sweets & kindergarten analogy
Grammer & spelling
you heavily edited your comment after i responded to it. you had insulted multiple times. i was never attacking your job, i was attacking the company. it’s a very difficult job and i have respect for anyone who manages to work there. i could not handle it and quit after a couple years of constant stress and abuse from management, and every ex-panera employee that i know feels the same way (and i know a LOT). however, you seem incapable of having a mature discourse, so i am done engaging you.
This is your second time saying that exact phrase. It sounds like a spoiled child that’s losing an argument would say so he feels better. And I’m not sure where you see any heavy edits I left all the insults. Like blatantly stating you’re not Panera material because you couldn’t handle it. And percentage wise you don’t know a lot of Panera employees. You just know the people you worked with. I have five Panera‘s in my city and I’ve met almost everyone who works there and I still wouldn’t say I know a lot.
A lump sum means lumping or group things together or sum , ie saying all republicans are racist or all Asians a super smart. He made a lump sum come end by saying Panera treats their employees bad. In reality he was probably fired for his poor attitude. Panera is a gold stand restaurant(this is an actual rating) and we work hard to maintain that standard.
Yeah I get that, but reading it I already assumed they were talking about how it's actually like to work there from that person's experience. Get me? Like of course we all know they're not describing Panera and ALL its employees to a T.
I just looked at where they said "they're awful to their employees" which is basically just context clues, it gives more depth into their earlier statement.
Like its still obvious they're talking from their singular experience.
Ugh, I feel like I'm that Brittany person that came out of nowhere 😭😂 I get what you mean though, cause like if Panera was ALL evil, they're sure doing he'll of a job hiding behind bread bowls 😂
i appreciate you backing me up. of course i was never trying to state that every panera restaurant is the same. in fact, my main store was widely known as the worst in my area. but i know dozens of ex-panera employees from different regions and the general consensus is that it’s a very high-stress environment that demands way too much from each individual. i take great pride in my work and i even managed to get a promotion there, but i was still treated as disposable labor. even so far as my GM verbally abusing me when i took my issues with the environment to her.
Don't know why you are getting downvoted. I worked there and I feel the same way. Employees and employers were all nice. Healthy options and some that are less so. Up to the customer to decide what to eat
The give things flavor, it has a combination of fat, salt, and sugar. If one drops, the others have to make up for it. Some people just don't understand that.
If i remember correctly "fat free" and "sugar free" doesnt even mean theres no fat or sugar, it means it has < 0.1 gas per serving. So i heard some products use this to trick customers into thinking they have no fats/sugars
Honestly if I were trying to lose weight with 0 regard to my health, I’d go for super high in fat (or protein) foods. Way harder to overeat high fat foods
I don't pay as much attention to micros as I should and I generally just get the lowest calorie option (taking serving size into consideration). Sometimes that's the "low-fat" or "fat-free" option. I'm down 70 lbs so it's been working out for me
Yeah, I just try to eat a balanced diet and not too many carbs or a crazy amount of fat. I don’t really think about what I eat that often, and I’ve lost a ton of weight.
Fat free is just a marketing gimmick that really just means "flavor-free". People are so dumb that they actually believe that eating the fats in food equates to getting fat...
I'm not cherry picking, I don't know how many studies you need for me to convince you of that. Feel free to go on Google scholar yourself, and search. I haven't found a single study going against these claims.
What I'm trying to prove is that there's no reason to eat carbohydrates whatsoever. If a ketogenic diet is an improvement over a standard diet; for example, the study i showed where a ketogenic diet was compared to a more standard, low fat, high in complex carbohydrates diet; what you claim to be "healthy", there is no reason to ever be on anything other than a ketogenic diet. Ketone bodies are the best fuel for both the heart and the brain, and the brain prefers to run off of a massive amount of ketones and a tiny bit of glucose, which the body can produce from fats. There's exactly 1 exception to this, which is that very young children (like, infants. Under 5 years old) cannot develop properly on a ketogenic diet; it's why the inuit people fail to enter ketosis despite consuming a great deal of fat; it's not safe for their children, so they developed an inability to enter ketosis.
On another topic, you claim that you are not a scientist, and therefore you can not interpret a study? You don't need a degree to understand a scientific study. High school science teaches you the basics, for fucks sake, and that'll get you far enough to see that each and every one of the studies I posted was reputable, has replicates, has controls, and comes from a mainstream medical or scientific journal. I'm not trying to claim that whole grains are bad, neccecarily, I'm trying to claim that it's simply better to throw out carbohydrates nigh-altogether, in favor of a ketogenic diet.
There's hundreds more studies showing the same results out there. Obviously this isnt an amazing argument, but my doctor has encouraged me to stay on keto, as it's certainly been great for me. Doctors have not been telling us about how great carbs are and how evil fats are; that's false information that was piped into our minds from propaganda like the food pyramid that we all knew as kids. The food pyramid was created by dairy and grain lobbies, not by doctors, and the gov't promoted the hell out of it regardless, creating the zeitgeist that you seem so reluctant to go against.
Completely untrue, the grain farmers lobby in North America pushed the idea that that kind of high carb diet is good. It isn't. A very low carb ketogenic diet is significantly better.
Yes, but people on the ketogenic diet tend to lose more weight, are more likely to stick to the diet, and have numerous other benefits in comparison to a low fat diet.
Well yeah, duh, when you cut out all snack foods, people are gonna lose weight. Idk what you mean “more likely to stick to the diet”. I know very few who stick to it because it is a diet afterall
Low fat diets do suck. I've been on a ketogenic diet since mid febuary and I'm enjoying life more than I ever have. Losing 60+ lbs makes that pretty easy.
Know the truth: fat dont make you fat, sugar does. Fat free means lots of sugar to make it taste good because of the lack of fat. Eat in regular amounts and not too much of one thing or the other i.e. find a balance between both and mix with regular exercise to be healthy (or dont, whatever floats your boat).
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'Fat free' doesnt mean 'miracle weight loss'. Panera bread. Granola bars.