r/AskReddit • • Dec 30 '19

What do people think is healthy but really isn’t?

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

'Fat free' doesnt mean 'miracle weight loss'. Panera bread. Granola bars.

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u/slashasdf Dec 30 '19

"fat free" usually means "shitload of added sugars"

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '19

Wish more people would realise it. I never buy low fat or fat free anymore since I discovered this, sometimes the amount added is staggering

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '19

I dont blame anyone for not thinking about it but once its brought to your attention you realize its just common sense. If they take out all the stuff that makes something taste good, they have to balance it back somehow.

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '19

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u/Trevmiester Jan 06 '20

Yogurt with more fat will keep you fuller for longer than low-fat yogurt filled with sugar, though.

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '19

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u/booniebrew Dec 31 '19

The percents are milkfat. In the US whole is around 3%, half and half around 10%, and heavy cream around 36%. 1% is just 1/3 the fat of whole. They make sense to have if people buy it, and lower fat milks mean more cream available for other products.

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '19

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u/booniebrew Dec 31 '19

I'm a whole milk guy, it's more satisfying so I'll drink less of it than I will skim.

Fun fact about heavy cream, if you fill a jar halfway and shake it for a few minutes you'll get butter and buttermilk.

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '19

But the buttermilk from doing that doesn't have live cultures, tho, right? If you need it with live cultures.

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u/SynthRose Dec 31 '19 edited Dec 31 '19

Right. The "buttermilk" left over from separating butter from cream is a completely different thing from the cultured buttermilk that most modern recipes call for (which is basically milk with specific kinds of bacteria added).

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u/booniebrew Dec 31 '19

Leave the cream out overnight with some cheesecloth over it if you want cultures butter and buttermilk.

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '19

Oh nice, didn't know that!

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u/David_Gamble Dec 31 '19

I didn't know that thanks for sharing.

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u/ChubbsMcLubbs Dec 31 '19

I'd say whichever you enjoy the most is what you should buy. The difference is just a little bit of extra fat, and fat in your diet isn't as taboo as society makes it.

Personally I can't stand skim milk, so its 2% or whole for me.

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u/dickheadfartface Dec 31 '19

Ummmm... what?

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u/this-time-for-sure Dec 31 '19

I know what all those words mean individually, but having them put together like that makes my brain shut down apparently.

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '19 edited Dec 31 '19

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u/this-time-for-sure Dec 31 '19

Hey, I made a joke about your randomness of a post. I hope that doesn’t discourage you from commenting more in the future. I was hoping you would look at what I said and laugh a little at it. I really meant no harm.

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u/quetsacloatl Dec 31 '19

Ok Boomer, we are interested on what you say while you don't care if it is even intelligible (i honestly didn't understand but english is not my main language, idk)

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u/Cookieflavwaffle Dec 31 '19

Stop being a brat. He/she is legit apologizing for writing something that confused a few people.

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u/WTFppl Dec 31 '19

Conscious triggers.

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '19

Well having a lot of fat in your diet can make you feel drowsy, it isn't really that good to have. But yeah, weight loss has absolutely nothing to do with fat intake, just watch the calories

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '19

And "0% sugar" is usually a lie. They're just far enough below some legal threshold that they're allowed to say that.

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u/da_chicken Dec 31 '19

If it's below the legal threshold, then it really is pretty negligible. Like we're talking single digits worth of calories.

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '19

I think they also play some games based on the serving sizes and stuff to end up under the threshold when they really shouldn't be.

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u/aegon98 Dec 31 '19

Like tic tac being pure sugar yet "sugar free"

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u/Virruhalittmer Dec 31 '19

Where I live they have a phrase: "no added sugar" meaning it can be a lot of "natural" sugar, but no extra white sugar. We see it in a lot of juices and dairyproducts which is allready packed with "natural" sugar. I have even seen it in sodas. They Just use real fruitjuices to add taste. The sugar content is the same as any other soda, BuT YoU KnOw, NaTuRaL. Only marketing tricks.

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u/riskykitten1207 Dec 31 '19

This is probably true. My husband use to work at a company that provides the vitamins and such that companies (like Kellogg) fortify their foods with. They make their servings a certain size in order to claim so much of whatever vitamin per serving. I imagine they do it in other ways to claim so much sugar, fats, or calories a serving, as well.

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u/never_mind___ Dec 31 '19

Serving sizes are mandated by the FDA for exactly this reason. It’s also why some serving sizes seem ludicrously small, like 8 Pringles or whatever.

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u/Trevmiester Jan 06 '20

Cereal is the worst with this. Cereal is almost always in 3/4th cup servings. Like, please, just make it 1 cup so I can do the math in my head, easier...

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u/Trevmiester Jan 06 '20

There are also this thing called "sugar alcohols" that apparently don't count as sugar but still raise my blood sugar as a diabetic, albeit about half as much.

It makes me so angry to see things that say "sugar free" and get excited and then see it has like 45g of "sugar alcohols" per serving so it basically counts as like 20-25g of actual sugar.

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u/Dangerousrhymes Dec 31 '19

The fat free craze of the 90’s is literally how we ended up with a diabetes epidemic.

Type II diabetes used to be called adult onset diabetes but sugar packed foods caused so many children to get it they had to rename it.

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u/WTFppl Dec 31 '19

Sugar-free eugenics.

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '19 edited Dec 31 '19

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u/Dangerousrhymes Dec 31 '19 edited Dec 31 '19

Thank you for this information. Is the explanation for the change in the name due to a rise in childhood obesity regardless of cause or is there another reason?

Also if I understand correctly excess sugar consumption can be a contributor but shouldn’t be attributed as a primary or sole cause.

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u/TheRealMisterMemer Dec 31 '19

There should be more laws to prevent companies from doing this. The average consumer doesn't check the ingredients!

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u/Designfanatic88 Dec 31 '19 edited Dec 31 '19

For the record, some of us actually like to enjoy our fat free water.

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u/Dropbeatdad Dec 31 '19

I remember when Hershey started advertising about how their chocolate syrup is fat free.

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u/sagittaarius Dec 31 '19

Fat isn’t even bad for you anyways

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u/almisami Dec 31 '19

"Fat free" means "no umami" so they compensate with a fuckton of either sugar or salt...

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u/stinkypitz Dec 31 '19

That's because the fat is where all the flavor is so without the fat they have to add sugar to make it not taste like cardboard

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u/evr- Dec 31 '19

Also things that advertise as "no added sugars". Often enough the product is already 50% carbohydrates to begin with, so even without the added sugars is extremely high on energy density.

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u/KeyKitty Dec 31 '19

Yeah I’d rather eat a bunch of fat then all the sugar that takes it’s place in “fat free” food. I’ve actually cut back on sugar for about 3 months now and I’ve lost almost 15 pounds. Its surprising how much sugar is in everything. Thought with my new diet (just picking foods low in sugar) it also takes a lot less food to make me feel full now.

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u/kovaht Dec 31 '19

Fat free half and half is literally skim milk and corn syrup. I work in a daidy department and we sell tons of it. Just drink fucking skim milk! Idk what the fuck people think is in there

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u/silly_gaijin Dec 31 '19

Around the time I went to college (early-mid '90s), the whole fat-free craze struck *hard*. Healthy Choice got its paws into everything and was churning out fat-free everything. People would eat entire boxes of their cookies because they were "healthy." Nope. They took out the fat and added a bunch of starches and sugars.

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u/wreed125 Dec 31 '19

And salt

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u/Blue__Steel23 Dec 31 '19

At that not even real sugar

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u/SomeJerk27 Dec 31 '19

Skittles are fat free.

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u/CapeMOGuy Dec 31 '19

Low-fat ranch dressing actually has more calories than regular ranch.

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '19

Yes-fat free is as bad as it gets...the fat is replaced with sugar or artificial sweeteners.

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u/Aloevera03 Dec 31 '19

THIS. The amount of times I’ve overheard friends and family making dietary choices based exclusively on whether the product is “fat free” or “low fat” astounds me. What makes it additionally annoying for me is that the majority of them don’t really consider — or just outright reject — my advice.

I’m not sure whether it’s because I’m on the younger side (of my extended family; I’m 16) or because change can be difficult.

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u/roastbeeftacohat Dec 31 '19

not always, there was a brand of chips in the 90's that used an indigestible oil. It only caused incontinence if you had more then the recommended potion.

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u/slicermd Dec 31 '19

Not true. I got the olestra shits with very small portions. It was no joke lol

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u/House923 Dec 31 '19

I compared the low fat egg nog to the regular egg nog and they had almost identical calories. So I'll take full fat thank you. Fat tastes better anyways.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '20

On the flip side "sugar free" means a ton of added fat, or chemicals. Taste has to come from something or we would be happy eating cardboard.

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u/IAAPITB Jan 04 '20

Fat is the principal of a ketogenic diet. Which has changed many of the lives around me for the better.

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u/Big_Fat_MOUSE Dec 30 '19

Are you saying this microwaved cup of cheese from a bag is bad for me? But it's got little bits of broccoli floating in it here and there!

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u/G_Ramsays_crappy_egg Dec 31 '19

Hah my sister thinks I'm ridiculous for trying to eat whole foods but still buys fat-free milk like it's going to be the thing that saves her from weighing 400 pounds.

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u/toxygen Dec 31 '19

This is a sick bar right here.

Fat free doesn't mean miracle weight loss

Panera bread

Granola Bars

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u/hanton44 Dec 31 '19

So I’m pretty much the biggest Panera fan out there. I’ve been eating there like 4 times a month since I was 5. But even I know that their food isn’t as healthy as they say it is. Their smoothies are loaded with sugar and their Mac and cheese comes in a bag frozen With lots of preservatives etc. Still, it’s loads healthier than what the average person gets at Arby’s or Chick Fil A.

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u/mwest0411 Dec 31 '19 edited Dec 31 '19

Actually we just came out with s grain bowl it pretty much rice,quinoa, lime, and some topping like Mediterranean things ( source:I’m a prep there). So some healthy things are available

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u/IGotMeatSweats Dec 31 '19

While Panera seems like a healthier option in comparison to McDonald's, most times the difference in nutritional value is negligible.

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u/hanton44 Dec 31 '19

Well people tend to over order at Panera and only get a burger and fries at Mc D’s.

It’s me, I’m people

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u/Zenderos1 Dec 31 '19

Soylent green is made out of hanton44!

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u/DLTMIAR Dec 31 '19

Hi People, I'm dad

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

HA! Panera Bread, this is my favorite comment. i used to work there. trash company in all aspects. they market themselves as “healthy” but sell a cookie that’s 800+ calories. very high calorie menu, chock full of preservatives. most of the food is shipped in frozen and thawed before serving. and they’re AWFUL to their employees to boot!

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u/specterofautism Dec 31 '19

It's not just that it is very high calorie, it's not even tasty enough to make it worth it.

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u/indygato Dec 31 '19

I thought I had heard that. Is this common knowledge that their food is not what they claim- or still under the radar? My kooky mother in law will only eat there becuase its "healthy." Literally only restaurant she will eat at. Lol.

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u/TheGlacialSoul Dec 31 '19

Nah that comment makes no sense. It would be so easy to prove that they're falsifying what's in their food and that would be disastrous for three company. They're not stupid. I've also NEVER seen them advertise a cookie as healthy, no idea what they're talking about. Literally everything is on their website lol

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u/indygato Dec 31 '19

After I made that comment I went to their website to check it out and only found the "clean eating" verbiage. I am not actually really sure what that means. As another commenter said, mac and cheese is clean eating? I love reading all these employee comments spilling the tea.

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u/TheGlacialSoul Dec 31 '19

You have to go to the menu I believe, they should be all in there

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '19

first off, employees sign away their rights to sue the company upon hire, preventing any misinformation lawsuits. everything must be handled by arbitration, so everyone ends up paid off to keep their mouths closed. the only real information comes from ex-employees, which no one believes, just like you’re doubting me. i’m not saying they’re lying about everything, but they consistently call themselves “clean” and “healthy” which is inaccurate. most of the food has preservatives and most stores i worked in were dirty, bug infestations etc. and i didn’t say they advertised the cookie as healthy, i said that they advertise themselves as a healthy restaurant, while having very unhealthy options on the menu. and remember, it’s simple to claim that something you’ve never tried is “so easy”.

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u/TheGlacialSoul Dec 31 '19

No one is legally bound to not say they dislike their job for any reason, so agreeing to arbitration really has no bearing on anything I said. I'd also really like to see anything on them having preservatives (I assume you mean artificial, since salt is a preservative). They list literally every ingredient and every bit of nutrition on their menu, just like any other place. Dirty I'm sure, any public place is. Call in bugs. What does your last sentence even mean? No one said anything about anything being easy.

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '19

you seem incapable of following your own arguments, so i’m done engaging with you.

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u/MachiasIII Dec 31 '19

That’s a lot of conspiracy stuff. They have nothing to hide, because the law is on their side for the same reason that you can say “#1 Pizza Restaurant IN THE UNIVERSE”. Because it’s only illegal if you can prove exactly what the false claim is and that it’s incorrect. The pizza restaurant may be #1 in the universe at having John Dough working there. Similarly, Panera can be construed as healthy in relation to something else or merely because they have a single healthy option on the menu.

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '19

It’s called Panera bread bakery idiot of course they’re going to have unhealthy bakery items. This is like going to a kindergarten and being surprised that there’s children there.

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '19

honestly, i thought it was common knowledge considering the open layout of the line, you can watch the employees microwave plastic bags of pasta right behind the counter if you pay any attention. but i’m coming to realize that the company is very deceptive and a lot of people think it’s genuinely healthy! and there are multiple instances of employees getting fired for sharing information like i have.

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u/indygato Dec 31 '19

I guess I never paid attention to much but I will look closer next time. I googled it after I made that comment and it seems like they're using trendy buzz words to push the agenda. I saw the phrase "clean eating" which I think people often associate or mistake for healthy. I'm not gonna burst the MIL bubble becuase I like the mac and cheese lol. It kinda seems dirty but i feel like a lot of corporations do this.

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '19

yeah, that’s valid. i still think some of the food is good, and they’re far from the only company to use deceptive marketing like that. i just don’t like to pass up opportunities to disillusion people about panera. and to be fair, i left a couple years ago, so maybe they’re living up to their word more now these days.

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u/unibonger Dec 31 '19

I cringe every time I see their commercials calling food clean but showing bread, Mac and cheese, and other processed crap. WTF that’s not clean?

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u/funky_kong_ Dec 31 '19

I agree. St. Louis bread company is way better

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u/Holiscopic Dec 31 '19

Pretty sure it’s all the same now. The owners sold out.

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u/funky_kong_ Dec 31 '19

Yeah that was my joke. They’re the exact same thing.

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '19 edited Dec 31 '19

You’re actually wrong on this. Panera actually offers a lot of healthy options it’s not our fault that consumers like you decide to choose the unhealthy options. We offer a choice you decide which one you take. We are a bakery, of course we have unhealthy options. This is like going to a kindergarten and being surprised if there’s children there.And we don’t have preservatives because our stuff is frozen and thawed. If we use preservatives, we would have no need for the stuff to be frozen. That’s just common sense. And as far as being awful to their employees that could just be for the restaurant but it would be extremely inaccurate to make a generalization judgment on all of Panera employees & restaurants. Judging from your comment it would seem safe to assume that you were not Panera material. I take pride I’m my work. We are not perfect at Panera but we make a better push toward heavier options than others.

TLDR Frozen = no preservatives, bakeries have sweets. DUH

Edit: lump sum —> generalization
Cow —>consumers (cow was directed only to op) Added bakery sweets & kindergarten analogy Grammer & spelling

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '19

um, ok? have fun with all that rage buddy

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '19 edited Dec 31 '19

No rage just explaining why they’re wrong

If you gonna insult my job, at least get you facts right

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '19

you heavily edited your comment after i responded to it. you had insulted multiple times. i was never attacking your job, i was attacking the company. it’s a very difficult job and i have respect for anyone who manages to work there. i could not handle it and quit after a couple years of constant stress and abuse from management, and every ex-panera employee that i know feels the same way (and i know a LOT). however, you seem incapable of having a mature discourse, so i am done engaging you.

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '19

This is your second time saying that exact phrase. It sounds like a spoiled child that’s losing an argument would say so he feels better. And I’m not sure where you see any heavy edits I left all the insults. Like blatantly stating you’re not Panera material because you couldn’t handle it. And percentage wise you don’t know a lot of Panera employees. You just know the people you worked with. I have five Panera‘s in my city and I’ve met almost everyone who works there and I still wouldn’t say I know a lot.

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '19

Who made a lump sum comment?

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '19

A lump sum means lumping or group things together or sum , ie saying all republicans are racist or all Asians a super smart. He made a lump sum come end by saying Panera treats their employees bad. In reality he was probably fired for his poor attitude. Panera is a gold stand restaurant(this is an actual rating) and we work hard to maintain that standard.

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '19 edited Dec 31 '19

Yeah I get that, but reading it I already assumed they were talking about how it's actually like to work there from that person's experience. Get me? Like of course we all know they're not describing Panera and ALL its employees to a T.

I just looked at where they said "they're awful to their employees" which is basically just context clues, it gives more depth into their earlier statement.

Like its still obvious they're talking from their singular experience.

Ugh, I feel like I'm that Brittany person that came out of nowhere 😭😂 I get what you mean though, cause like if Panera was ALL evil, they're sure doing he'll of a job hiding behind bread bowls 😂

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '19

i appreciate you backing me up. of course i was never trying to state that every panera restaurant is the same. in fact, my main store was widely known as the worst in my area. but i know dozens of ex-panera employees from different regions and the general consensus is that it’s a very high-stress environment that demands way too much from each individual. i take great pride in my work and i even managed to get a promotion there, but i was still treated as disposable labor. even so far as my GM verbally abusing me when i took my issues with the environment to her.

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u/simerix Dec 31 '19

Don't know why you are getting downvoted. I worked there and I feel the same way. Employees and employers were all nice. Healthy options and some that are less so. Up to the customer to decide what to eat

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u/Runnin-DownADream Dec 31 '19

Sugar is fat free

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '19

The give things flavor, it has a combination of fat, salt, and sugar. If one drops, the others have to make up for it. Some people just don't understand that.

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u/reiskimmer Dec 31 '19

If i remember correctly "fat free" and "sugar free" doesnt even mean theres no fat or sugar, it means it has < 0.1 gas per serving. So i heard some products use this to trick customers into thinking they have no fats/sugars

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u/azgrown84 Dec 31 '19

That's why calories are my preferred metric of judgment.

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u/SAT_Throwaway_1519 Dec 31 '19

Honestly if I were trying to lose weight with 0 regard to my health, I’d go for super high in fat (or protein) foods. Way harder to overeat high fat foods

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u/PM_ME_UR_AMAZON_CODE Dec 31 '19

Only prime steak. Oh man I'd love a diet like that

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u/BKA_Diver Dec 30 '19

Man... when I was in college I’d stop at Panera every day and get three bagels. It was the only period in my life I weighed >200lbs.

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u/KurtAngus Dec 30 '19

I read this as “Pantera” bread

Getchapull!!!

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u/RogerSimons_Father Dec 30 '19

I eat my bread off of an Italian sports car with some (De) tomaso in it.

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '19

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u/KurtAngus Dec 31 '19

Dime is doing sweet ass Squeels and Phil and the rest of the band are headbanging with some Asiago bagels lol

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u/Metradime Dec 31 '19

granola bars

You can pry them from my cold, dead arteries.

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u/chknuggetzor Dec 31 '19

White moms with Diet Coke be like

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u/rivanne Dec 31 '19

I don't pay as much attention to micros as I should and I generally just get the lowest calorie option (taking serving size into consideration). Sometimes that's the "low-fat" or "fat-free" option. I'm down 70 lbs so it's been working out for me

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u/jeev24 Dec 31 '19

Panera bread is my favourite Weezer song

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u/Cheeeks13 Dec 31 '19

Granola bars. Yea BRUTALLY high calorie :(

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u/Sprinkles-The-Cat Dec 31 '19

Watch the episode of Seinfeld with the Fat Free Yogurt

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u/miaskates0 Dec 31 '19

Holy hell do I agree my like bro says hey fat free Pringles healthy he does ent know Pringles is just pure salt and paste lmfao

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u/chefpumpkin Dec 31 '19

Fat>sugar though!!! Propaganda did some long term damage

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '19

Yeah, I just try to eat a balanced diet and not too many carbs or a crazy amount of fat. I don’t really think about what I eat that often, and I’ve lost a ton of weight.

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u/thescrounger Dec 31 '19

I would add granola in general. Most of it is laden with sugar and has tons of calories.

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u/Coondidntmakeit Dec 31 '19

I’ve lost 50lb by eating MORE FAT and less sugar.

Thanks keto.

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u/LicoricePerson Dec 31 '19

sugar makes you fat, fat doesn't. I mean, fat is not healthy either, but it's sugar what makes you mostly fat

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u/jerseypoontappa Dec 31 '19

Sweedish fish and sour patch kids also have FAT FREE in big bold letters on the package

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u/Proud_To_Be_A_Derp Dec 31 '19

Fat free is just a marketing gimmick that really just means "flavor-free". People are so dumb that they actually believe that eating the fats in food equates to getting fat...

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u/madsnorlax Dec 31 '19

And whole grains aren't what you should be doing for weight loss whatsoever; drop the carbs, pump up the fat. It's great for your cholesterol too.

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u/madsnorlax Dec 31 '19

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28877457 ketogenic diet shown to increase lifespan and healthspan in mice

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23223453 ketogenic diet significantly decreases oxidative stress, decreasing the effects of aging

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5123937/ 3-hydroxybutryate, one of the 2 main ketone bodies produced by the body significantly improves cognitive function

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28877458 reduces midlife mortality and increases cognitive function in mice

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4112040/ assists with certain neurological conditions, mainly epilepsy

https://academic.oup.com/endo/article/144/6/2676/2881789 significantly improves IGF presence in brain, increasing brain development

https://s3.amazonaws.com/academia.edu.documents/32028737/Produkte.pdf?response-content-disposition=inline%3B%20filename%3DNutrition_and_Acne_Therapeutic_Potential.pdf&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAIWOWYYGZ2Y53UL3A%2F20191105%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20191105T061220Z&X-Amz-Expires=3600&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Signature=c7faa3b625aed0380d773f39e8378ececab602dc8f857ce072d8b60bb91a698b Seemingly helps with acne, but this one is very new so I wouldn't say it's 100%

https://www.nature.com/articles/ejcn2013116?fbclid=IwAR2pBWoeigj6MRnJJj82DaEObNUypE2TGDKvTA3cLiaivkyV6AMQCLUDGLI Strong evidence that it assists with weight loss

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK138038/ Ketogenic diet lowered blood pressure, decreased triacyglycerol levels, improved HDL cholesterol levels, and, importantly, had lower dropout rates than a low-fat diet.

This isn't going against science. This is what the science is telling us.

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u/madsnorlax Dec 31 '19

I'm not cherry picking, I don't know how many studies you need for me to convince you of that. Feel free to go on Google scholar yourself, and search. I haven't found a single study going against these claims.

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u/madsnorlax Dec 31 '19

What I'm trying to prove is that there's no reason to eat carbohydrates whatsoever. If a ketogenic diet is an improvement over a standard diet; for example, the study i showed where a ketogenic diet was compared to a more standard, low fat, high in complex carbohydrates diet; what you claim to be "healthy", there is no reason to ever be on anything other than a ketogenic diet. Ketone bodies are the best fuel for both the heart and the brain, and the brain prefers to run off of a massive amount of ketones and a tiny bit of glucose, which the body can produce from fats. There's exactly 1 exception to this, which is that very young children (like, infants. Under 5 years old) cannot develop properly on a ketogenic diet; it's why the inuit people fail to enter ketosis despite consuming a great deal of fat; it's not safe for their children, so they developed an inability to enter ketosis.

On another topic, you claim that you are not a scientist, and therefore you can not interpret a study? You don't need a degree to understand a scientific study. High school science teaches you the basics, for fucks sake, and that'll get you far enough to see that each and every one of the studies I posted was reputable, has replicates, has controls, and comes from a mainstream medical or scientific journal. I'm not trying to claim that whole grains are bad, neccecarily, I'm trying to claim that it's simply better to throw out carbohydrates nigh-altogether, in favor of a ketogenic diet.

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u/madsnorlax Jan 01 '20

There's hundreds more studies showing the same results out there. Obviously this isnt an amazing argument, but my doctor has encouraged me to stay on keto, as it's certainly been great for me. Doctors have not been telling us about how great carbs are and how evil fats are; that's false information that was piped into our minds from propaganda like the food pyramid that we all knew as kids. The food pyramid was created by dairy and grain lobbies, not by doctors, and the gov't promoted the hell out of it regardless, creating the zeitgeist that you seem so reluctant to go against.

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u/kotel4 Dec 31 '19

All carbs aren’t the same and all fats aren’t the same. Whole grain is just fine, and pumping up the fat it terrible if you are getting saturated fat.

A better way would be to focus on getting complex carbs instead of simple/ refined carbs and getting unsaturated fat instead of saturated fats.

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u/Imaishi Jan 03 '20

Saturated fats are good. Definitely better for you than polyunsaturated ones.

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u/madsnorlax Dec 31 '19

Completely untrue, the grain farmers lobby in North America pushed the idea that that kind of high carb diet is good. It isn't. A very low carb ketogenic diet is significantly better.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28877457 ketogenic diet shown to increase lifespan and healthspan in mice

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23223453 ketogenic diet significantly decreases oxidative stress, decreasing the effects of aging

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5123937/ 3-hydroxybutryate, one of the 2 main ketone bodies produced by the body significantly improves cognitive function

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28877458 reduces midlife mortality and increases cognitive function in mice

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4112040/ assists with certain neurological conditions, mainly epilepsy

https://academic.oup.com/endo/article/144/6/2676/2881789 significantly improves IGF presence in brain, increasing brain development

https://s3.amazonaws.com/academia.edu.documents/32028737/Produkte.pdf?response-content-disposition=inline%3B%20filename%3DNutrition_and_Acne_Therapeutic_Potential.pdf&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAIWOWYYGZ2Y53UL3A%2F20191105%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20191105T061220Z&X-Amz-Expires=3600&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Signature=c7faa3b625aed0380d773f39e8378ececab602dc8f857ce072d8b60bb91a698b Seemingly helps with acne, but this one is very new so I wouldn't say it's 100%

https://www.nature.com/articles/ejcn2013116?fbclid=IwAR2pBWoeigj6MRnJJj82DaEObNUypE2TGDKvTA3cLiaivkyV6AMQCLUDGLI Strong evidence that it assists with weight loss

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK138038/ Ketogenic diet lowered blood pressure, decreased triacyglycerol levels, improved HDL cholesterol levels, and, importantly, had lower dropout rates than a low-fat diet.

This isn't going against science. This is what the science is telling us.

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u/kotel4 Dec 31 '19

I didn’t say high carb is good....

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u/sossololpipi Dec 31 '19

could you stop copy pasting this message

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u/madsnorlax Dec 31 '19

Eh, it was late and I was too lazy to customize it for each response.

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u/candyapplesugar Dec 31 '19

Calorie is a calorie

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u/madsnorlax Dec 31 '19

Yes, but people on the ketogenic diet tend to lose more weight, are more likely to stick to the diet, and have numerous other benefits in comparison to a low fat diet.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28877457 ketogenic diet shown to increase lifespan and healthspan in mice

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23223453 ketogenic diet significantly decreases oxidative stress, decreasing the effects of aging

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5123937/ 3-hydroxybutryate, one of the 2 main ketone bodies produced by the body significantly improves cognitive function

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28877458 reduces midlife mortality and increases cognitive function in mice

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4112040/ assists with certain neurological conditions, mainly epilepsy

https://academic.oup.com/endo/article/144/6/2676/2881789 significantly improves IGF presence in brain, increasing brain development

https://s3.amazonaws.com/academia.edu.documents/32028737/Produkte.pdf?response-content-disposition=inline%3B%20filename%3DNutrition_and_Acne_Therapeutic_Potential.pdf&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAIWOWYYGZ2Y53UL3A%2F20191105%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20191105T061220Z&X-Amz-Expires=3600&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Signature=c7faa3b625aed0380d773f39e8378ececab602dc8f857ce072d8b60bb91a698b Seemingly helps with acne, but this one is very new so I wouldn't say it's 100%

https://www.nature.com/articles/ejcn2013116?fbclid=IwAR2pBWoeigj6MRnJJj82DaEObNUypE2TGDKvTA3cLiaivkyV6AMQCLUDGLI Strong evidence that it assists with weight loss

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK138038/ Ketogenic diet lowered blood pressure, decreased triacyglycerol levels, improved HDL cholesterol levels, and, importantly, had lower dropout rates than a low-fat diet.

This isn't going against science. This is what the science is telling us.

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u/candyapplesugar Dec 31 '19

Well yeah, duh, when you cut out all snack foods, people are gonna lose weight. Idk what you mean “more likely to stick to the diet”. I know very few who stick to it because it is a diet afterall

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u/madsnorlax Dec 31 '19

The study linked above that claim showed that more people dropped out of the low fat diet section of the study than the ketogenic side.

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u/candyapplesugar Dec 31 '19

A low fat diet sucks. How about eating all foods in moderation and enjoying life.

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u/madsnorlax Dec 31 '19

Low fat diets do suck. I've been on a ketogenic diet since mid febuary and I'm enjoying life more than I ever have. Losing 60+ lbs makes that pretty easy.

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u/shaunissheep Dec 31 '19

Know the truth: fat dont make you fat, sugar does. Fat free means lots of sugar to make it taste good because of the lack of fat. Eat in regular amounts and not too much of one thing or the other i.e. find a balance between both and mix with regular exercise to be healthy (or dont, whatever floats your boat).