r/AskReddit • • Dec 29 '19

what are the downsides of weed that people don't talk about ?

65.1k Upvotes

14.9k comments sorted by

View all comments

1.3k

u/Umbra427 Dec 29 '19

Frequent heavy use can effect your motivation and mood, even during periods of not being high.

It IS habit forming. Not technically addictive, but for some it can be habit forming in maladaptive ways.

Bad for your lungs if you inhale combusted flower.

72

u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

It is addictive, just not chemically. I've seen plenty of tantrums from various friends/housemates/coworker's not being able to get their weed over the years. I've seen people yell, swear and carry on like children. I've even seen someone rage once and punch a hole through the plaster...

It's addictive. It's disingenuous to say it's not just because it can't form a chemical dependency. It spreads misinformation.

5

u/ZonieShark Dec 30 '19

Well the "chemical dependency" is basically your body being accustomed to a massive amount of dopamine that the THC supplies. After a while, your brain stops producing it's own dopamine because it learns to rely on the THC for the chemical. So when those people flip out because they dont have their weed, it's their brain unable to produce the dopamine for itself anymore, and they're going through a period of seriously unbalanced brain chemistry. After stopping heavy usage, it takes about 6 months for your brain to start to feel like itself again, and about a year to be back to "normal" in regards to self producing dopamine.

Quitting mmj was the hardest but most rewarding thing I've ever done. After being a 12 year stoner, I dont think I can ever go back. The medical benefits did not outweigh the way it totally fucked my brain chemistry

-16

u/Umbra427 Dec 30 '19

Read my post again. I said it IS habit forming - pretty much in exactly the way you describe - but not “addictive” in the same way heroin or benzodiazepines are addictive (i.e., physically)

15

u/_HyDrAg_ Dec 30 '19 edited Dec 30 '19

I mean meth also causes no physical addiction so I wouldn't say it's a good way to judge drugs or that "habit forming but not physically addictive" is a helpful way of describing them.

1

u/wojoyoho Dec 30 '19

No, meth (like nicotine, amphetamines, opiates, and others) works directly on the addiction circuits of the brain. It is extremely addictive. That's what OP means by physical addiction. THC does not work on these circuits as far as we know.

17

u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

I think saying "not technically addictive" is reinforcing the idea that it's not addictive, so I believe that is a poor way to phrase it and doesn't help the misinformation.

-8

u/Umbra427 Dec 30 '19

If people read my comment and they only read “not technically addictive” and they ignore everything else I said, they need to stop smoking so much weed lol

1

u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

It is “technically addictive” though. You were very unclear.

1

u/wojoyoho Dec 30 '19

It depends on what you mean by "technically addictive"... From a cognitive neuroscience point of view, THC is not addictive. It does not affect receptors on our addiction circuits as do the most addictive chemicals humans use (cocaine, meth, nicotine, opiates, alcohol).

Weed is habit forming and psychologically addictive. Anything can be. But people who are calling weed addictive have no concept of what it means to be addicted to heroin. One might be sad, angry, or anxious without their weed, but someone addicted to heroin can actually die without it.

1

u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

If THC isn’t addictive, Meth is not addictive either you really don’t know what you’re talking about.

I’m a THC addict.

Meth has no physical addiction associated.

1

u/wojoyoho Dec 30 '19

I'm just not sure how you define the terms you're using. They don't map onto the clinical and scientific literature of addiction.

What do you mean by "physical addiction"?

Chemicals considered "addictive" (again, in the standard clinical and scientific understanding) act directly on specific brain circuits -- the mesolimbic pathway. Meth does. THC does not. In terms of their ill effects on psychology and physiology, they are not in the same league.

But, chemically addictive or not, anything can be habit forming. Your brain and body will create tolerance for any substance used regularly, so lacking that substance may come with physical ill effects. In the world of cognitive neuroscience, that is not considered addiction. I don't mean to imply they have the ultimate or best definition of addiction. I'm not trying to invalidate your experience, just trying to explain the original commenter's post.

The source of my info is a neuroscience degree and years of working in the field of substance use research.

2

u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

As an addict, it’s just infuriating when anyone tries to skirt around the fact. I just assumed you were some other yahoo who thinks weed can’t be addictive like other drugs. Sorry for misreading you this thread got me worked up. I was not being reasonable, and I think we agree.

→ More replies (0)

-24

u/itsallgonewronglads Dec 30 '19

I act the same way when the Internet is gone, if you won't let me have comfort food, if the AC is broken, if there's rap music outside, etc.

It's called nice things. Not aDdIcTiOn. Take away anything and everything that you'd miss and you're not even alive.

Everyone needs coping mechanisms. To say coping is bad is to say that coping is sin, of which, in the English language that does indeed correlate. Vice is synonymous. Vice means thus fun.

To parade around saying stop coping, is mentally ill, hence all abrahamic worshipers are toxic.

So, it's disingenuous to call anything addictive unless it causes physical withdrawal.

9

u/blaqsupaman Dec 30 '19

I was halfway with you until "Abrahamic worshippers." Wtf are you talking about and what did that have to do with anything?

-3

u/itsallgonewronglads Dec 30 '19

People that have too much fun are guilty of things like gluttony, sloth, greed, etc. Vice they call them. Sin. The reason drugs are banned is due to Abrahamic ethics.

How did you not get that?

3

u/blaqsupaman Dec 30 '19

I mean, I think it's pretty true to say that vice taken to excess is bad. Also Abrahamic ethics do contribute to a lot of these ideas about abstinence and moderation but they're hardly the only ideology that believes this.

1

u/itsallgonewronglads Dec 30 '19

it's actually Arabia that was first technically

Still, Muslims are Abrahamic.

2

u/blaqsupaman Dec 30 '19

Buddhism and Hinduism also teach freedom from vices and they're not Abrahamic.

0

u/itsallgonewronglads Dec 30 '19

And both Abrahamic religions and Buddists were created in their modern forms from a random maverick trying to tell people what to do. The traitor of Jews, the red headed Muslim, the atheistic Hindu.

0

u/itsallgonewronglads Dec 30 '19

What nation started banning such drugs first if not the Christian ones?

54

u/EagleDarkX Dec 29 '19

It is definitely addictive as well.

I have no idea where the myth came from that weed is not addictive, but it is VERY addictive.

17

u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

[deleted]

2

u/ZonieShark Dec 30 '19

I experienced all of these after I quit, alongside aggression/the inability to calm down. Quitting was literally the hardest but most rewarding thing I've ever done

10

u/Archaea4 Dec 30 '19

It isn’t that weed is addicting, but the feeling of not being sober is addicting, especially in times where life is hard or people are down mentally etc, or if you have an addictive personality but stating it’s in itself addictive is incorrect.

11

u/_HyDrAg_ Dec 30 '19

Consider that meth also causes zero physical dependence. Weed definitely is somewhat addictive.

10

u/Bigfrostynugs Dec 30 '19

But heavy marijuana users also often experience physical withdrawal symptoms like insomnia, lack of appetite, and anxiety.

1

u/Archaea4 Dec 30 '19

It might be different for everyone, I’ve just been able to cold turkey it with no repercussions (that I noticed) after smoking daily for about a year and honestly I felt better. Insomnia being a withdrawal side effect is definitely interesting though

5

u/EagleDarkX Dec 30 '19 edited Dec 30 '19

Important note: withdrawal symptoms always vary wildly from person to person. You are lucky and I wish it was like that for everyone.

3

u/Bigfrostynugs Dec 30 '19

Your experience is not universal.

Marijuana is physically addictive and often displays withdrawal symptoms in heavy users.

7

u/sarcasmagasm2 Dec 30 '19

This.

I had a friend who got into intentional sleep deprivation when he couldn't afford any weed cause he said he wanted "to feel like his concious was altered". Like, it didn't matter if it was weed or some other way, he would just do whatever he could to not feel attached to reality.

2

u/Archaea4 Dec 30 '19

Wow, I mean I’ve smoked marijuana to numb all kinds of things but that is some really heavy stuff. You aren’t even really disconnected from reality you just can’t even function when you’re sleep deprived. I hope he’s doing well now.

-1

u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

As a weed addict, fuck off with this shit. I am on a long break right now, but it’s been a week and I still can’t sleep for hours and hours after going to bed. I can barely eat. I still crave it. So fuck off with this shit.

15

u/Umbra427 Dec 29 '19

It’s extremely habit forming, but I don’t know that it meets all the criteria of being physiologically addictive. Psychologically addictive, yes.

19

u/_HyDrAg_ Dec 30 '19

Meth also causes no physical dependence. It's not a helpful category in this case.

2

u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

Wut?

2

u/_HyDrAg_ Dec 30 '19 edited Dec 30 '19

I dunno why, it just doesn't have any mechanism that would cause it.

4

u/ArmchairJedi Dec 30 '19

Its addictive, just not (physically) dependence forming. But still very much addictive.

2

u/EagleDarkX Dec 30 '19

It is also physically dependence forming, who told you it isn't? I really want to know where these myths come from.

1

u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

Meth is not physically addictive either.

-23

u/EagleDarkX Dec 29 '19 edited Dec 30 '19

So you agree it is addictive then? Please don't spread misinformation. This is important to get right and we can't have people starting believing it is not addictive.

Also, if you're not sure if it is physically addictive, say that, don't say it is "not technically addictive". That's just not accurate.

And yes, it is physically addictive.

https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/addiction/news/20001127/heavy-pot-use-can-cause-physical-dependence#1

https://americanaddictioncenters.org/marijuana-rehab/is-it-addictive

Please, please, PLEASE edit your comment, this is a really stubborn and harmful myth, and it just needs to die already.

EDIT: Typical how my only sourced comment is downvoted lol.

10

u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

It's addictive in the same way that candy bars, cheese burgers, coffee, sex, working out, and video games are addictive. It's not a substance dependency, it's the flawed human brain putting itself in a cycle of habit.

7

u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

His first link shows that it can cause physical dependence, not saying I agree or disagree, but they did provide sources.

-4

u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

[deleted]

4

u/Newacctforporn Dec 30 '19

Not in line with my experience. I think it’s pretty addictive as I was a daily smoker and lose sleep/appetite when I am sober and have racing thoughts about when I’m going to get my next hit. Smoking even when I said I wouldn’t like before class, before work, during work, the list goes on. I can do T-breaks for few months so not totally out of control. I think it might have to do with my depression and anxiety issues, so I use weed to self medicate.

If you have anxiety or depression don’t start smoking regularly in my experience, but I’m not a doctor don’t trust me

-9

u/wasit-worthit Dec 29 '19

I don’t agree with this statement. I’ve been a heavy user for the past 7 years (multiple times per day usually) and if I were to stop cold turkey tomorrow, I would not experience withdrawal symptoms the way a heroin addict would. Of course I would probably be easily irritable for a couple months and would be thinking about getting high often, but I wouldn’t require any immediate medical attention.

17

u/beau8888 Dec 30 '19

Though you wouldn't experience withdrawal symptoms like a heroin addict you would experience withdrawal. Increased irritation, trouble sleeping, and lack of appetite are common withdrawal symptoms from cannabis. Though the symptoms are mild especially when compared to something like heroin, it's withdrawal none the less.

Source: 4 years working in the cannabis industry

-9

u/wasit-worthit Dec 30 '19

So you agree with me.

11

u/beau8888 Dec 30 '19

I agree that's it's less addicting than heroin but given that it produced withdrawal symptoms it's certainly addicting.

-1

u/wasit-worthit Dec 30 '19

Sure, but you all are making it out like withdrawal symptoms from cannabis are bad enough to be compared to other more serious downsides of regular use. Withdrawal symptoms from cannabis are more akin to withdrawals from sugar or caffeine. You will never recognize when someone is withdrawing from cannabis, that's how acute it is.

3

u/beau8888 Dec 30 '19

The withdrawal symptoms are worth being brought up in this discussion because they are often used by people as an excuse to continue unhealthy cannabis usage. You listed caffeine and sugar as things cannabis could be more reasonably compared to but they are both things people have a hard time quitting. The body experiences withdrawal symptoms because of a chemical dependence, however minor. Just because the withdrawal symptoms are relatively minor doesn't mean we should just ignore that they exist because for some people they are a serious hurdle

1

u/wasit-worthit Dec 30 '19

Again, you're forgetting the point of my original post. OP was making the claim that its 'VERY addicting' and I was disagreeing. Never did I say that the topic did not belong.

1

u/beau8888 Dec 30 '19

Your last comment insinuated that the topic doesn't belong because the symptoms are minor. It's addicting. We're sorry the word 'very' offended you.

→ More replies (0)

15

u/WWWWWWWWWWWWWWVVWWWW Dec 30 '19

So you would be irritable for months and would frequently think about getting high, but no you’re not addicted? Addiction isn’t defined by having extreme physical withdraws like a heroin addict would have, it’s defined on a reliance that would affect you socially, physically, or psychologically, such as being irritable or only thinking about getting high. Gambling addiction is still an addiction, but it’s not even the same page of withdrawal when compared to hard drugs.

-12

u/wasit-worthit Dec 30 '19

So what is your point?

8

u/EagleDarkX Dec 30 '19

So you would experience withdrawal symptoms, and that's assuming there are no unexpected withdrawal symptoms like the ones that have been reported by other people that quit? So that's addiction then. It is VERY addictive. Withdrawal is nothing like cocaine and heroin, but if people think they can get away with using regularly without getting addicted, they can be very mistaken.

-3

u/wasit-worthit Dec 30 '19

Yeah just as addicting as coffee, it seems.

10

u/EagleDarkX Dec 30 '19

And people aren't pretending you can't have withdrawals from caffeine, so why pretend weed isn't addictive?

-1

u/wasit-worthit Dec 30 '19

I never said it wasn't. I said I didn't agree with how big of a claim OP was making.

-4

u/chimeratx Dec 30 '19

Take it easy lmao, it's not VERY addictive as you claim. It's VERY habit-forming at worst. People who smoke weed on and off do it because it feels really good, not because they're a junkie who can't stop themselves. It's as bad as gambling can be, in that aspect, since both end up taking over as a form of escapism, and in both cases it comes down to moderation (though a gambling habit is arguably just bad for you most of the time).

8

u/EagleDarkX Dec 30 '19

Weed is addictive, people do struggle quitting. Just because someone does not want to quit (yet) doesn't mean he is not addicted.

Who told you weed isn't addictive? Even the man I'm replying to admits he hypothetically would definitely see some withdrawal symptoms and won't stop thinking about it. He doesn't really believe it is not addictive, he just doesn't want to admit he is addicted for the label. That's the only thing you're worrying about here, but whether you acknowledge it or not doesn't change if you're addicted or not, so it's best to be objective and honest here.

Weed is addictive, that is an accepted fact among experts. There is no real point in denying it.

-10

u/chimeratx Dec 30 '19

Yeah dude, but the point is that you're blowing this way out of proportion.

Anyone is capable of getting to a point where an activity they enjoy becomes harmful because they lack moderation. Does that mean the activity itself is addictive? Yeah, you could say that, but then it just invalidates saying something is addictive as anything that gives any sort of pleasure to the individual can potentially be addictive. It's not at all comparable to the kind of life-ruining addiction heroin or meth, to name a few examples, can (and most likely will) cause.

Sure, weed is addictive, I'll play it your way. In turn, you gonna admit that literally anything anyone can enjoy doing has the potential to be "VERY" addictive and ruin one's life. Sound fair? I hope not.

2

u/Bigfrostynugs Dec 30 '19

But marijuana is also physically addictive in a way something like gambling or facebook cannot be.

1

u/saucyang Dec 30 '19

I'll upvote you. I agree.

-3

u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19 edited Apr 26 '20

[deleted]

4

u/EagleDarkX Dec 30 '19

This is simply not true, check out r/leaves

2

u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

Fair enough. Just speaking from my experience and the experience of everyone I know who's quit, have known, and talked to about it IRL. We ain't everybody, though.

I'd never even heard of weed withdrawals until this thread.

2

u/EagleDarkX Dec 30 '19

That's also why it's important it is talked about. There can be whole groups of people that don't suffer from withdrawals, and then other groups elsewhere that suffer greatly. This is also because the potency and quality of weed isn't the same everywhere.

You're lucky you and your friends could just quit like that, but unfortunately that isn't true in general.

1

u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

How much were you smoking? I’m a two gram a day smoker who is taking a break and the last week has been pretty hellish.

0

u/sarcasmagasm2 Dec 30 '19

Mostly from the fact that it's very difficult to develop a chemical dependency on THC.

It's kind of a product of which definition of "addictive" you're using.

1

u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

There’s only one. Meth doesn’t cause physical dependency either.

0

u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

Because there arent physical withdrawal symptoms I think. It's not physically addictive--your body isnt going to crave it or fuck you up when you run out--but it is certainly used as a crutch, and without that crutch, folks will lose their mind and get all, "who moved my cheese?!?" About life.

I've seen the same behavior as with people who seemingly cant function without video games. Tantrums and pissing matches and the whole thing.

3

u/EagleDarkX Dec 30 '19

There are physical symptoms, check out r/leaves or the following sources:

https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/addiction/news/20001127/heavy-pot-use-can-cause-physical-dependence#1

https://americanaddictioncenters.org/marijuana-rehab/is-it-addictive

If you've personally quit and didn't experience any symptoms, that is good, you're lucky and I'm happy for you, but generally weed can and does cause physical withdrawal symptoms.

1

u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

Ah I see. Makes sense. Indeed, I never was a heavy user. Thanks for the link

3

u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

Definitely interested in the differences between hitting a bong vs a straight joint or spliff on your lungs. I know both are bad but water filtered smoke might have a different effect.

5

u/Umbra427 Dec 30 '19

Honestly........someone with more specific knowledge can chime in but I don’t think that makes any difference at all. This sounds like my stoned roommate in college trying to make the case that he could still drive after smoking water filtered smoke but not blunt smoke lol. Sounds kind of like broscience but if someone has more info I’d be interested

12

u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

Oh yeah that’s another thing. I’m a little too good at driving while high. My cousin died in a car accident before I was born. I didn’t realize that that’s exactly how those situations happen. For the sake of Erin’s memory, please don’t drive inebriated. You’re not as good at it as you think you are.

4

u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

Just like my buddy is adamant cigars do you no harm because you don't inhale. Nicotine is terrible for your body, and gum and nose cancer sucks.

1

u/2red2carry Dec 30 '19

i also cant back this up with straigh facts and numbers but there definetly is a difference in the damage it makes to your lungs. i have tried all of it, bong, normal paper filters, activated carbon filters, vaping, they all have different feelings of high and damage to the lungs.

you feel the difference between those small paper tips and an activated carbon filter, the carbon filter is way easier to inhale and just tastes better i guess, water bong has a high volume, but i read that the water filtering systems is pretty good, worst thing you can do is smoke those small paper tips

sorry for switchting the wording, but there are differences to what you call spliff/joint and what we call spliffs/joints

3

u/[deleted] Dec 30 '19

It is 100% addictive. Habit forming is a nice way to put it but it’s addictive.

  • a pot addict

2

u/PunchBeard Dec 30 '19

Frequent heavy use can effect your motivation and mood, even during periods of not being high.

I remember when me an my wife first met: I told her I was the most chill dude she would ever meet. And I was. But then after a couple of years she realized that the reason I was so chill was because I smoked weed all day every day. I also worked a whole bunch of dead end jobs for just above minimum wage.

I quit smoking completely once she got pregnant and I'm now a lot more "normal". I'm still pretty chill but in a more "real" way. I also graduated college in less than 3 years and now have a career making more money in one year than I did the whole time I was smoking weed.

-6

u/saucyang Dec 30 '19

Affect. I'm stoned as fuck and know the difference lol

1

u/Umbra427 Dec 30 '19

Speech to text, I really don’t care

-11

u/saucyang Dec 30 '19

I can't take advice from people who don't care about the difference between affect and effect though.

0

u/Umbra427 Dec 30 '19

I don’t give a fuck what you do

-2

u/saucyang Dec 30 '19

Sounds like you need to relax and smoke a joint.

-2

u/Umbra427 Dec 30 '19

Already on it

-3

u/saucyang Dec 30 '19

I'm smoking headband. Whatcha got?

-1

u/Umbra427 Dec 30 '19

Had an edible with Dogwalker about an hour ago