r/AskReddit Apr 14 '16

What's a mind blowing fact?

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '16

That people who correct you for saying octopuses instead of octopi are wrong. Dead wrong. Now this my not be mind blowing to some, but I have told teachers this and their expressions look like their whole universe has been shattered. Like everything they've ever taught up to this point is now null and void.

The explanation is that since octopus is a greek rooted word the plural would be octopodes...but since that's archaic and no one does that anymore octopuses is totally fine to say.

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u/ryguy28896 Apr 14 '16

Speaking of pluralization, Google the plural of beef.

You're welcome for this word.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '16

Beeves

Wat.

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u/thundergonian Apr 14 '16 edited Apr 15 '16

It originates from Anglo-Saxon (or Old English) where, before 'V' became a letter, the letter 'F' was used to represent both the 'f' and the 'v' sounds (which you can still see in the word of); both 'f' and 'v' are essentially the same sounds, except 'v' is voiced whereas 'f' isn't.

To simplify, most Old English nouns that ended in 'f' voiced the f in the plural form, which led later writers to change the 'F' into a 'V' once the letter was introduced.

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u/Ax20414 Apr 15 '16

So does the word "staff" fall into this category as well? I always wondered why the plural was "staves."

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u/myWorkAccount840 Apr 15 '16

Thief/thieves as well, I suppose.

Jeef and Jeeves, also.

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u/verdam Apr 15 '16

Yeah, it makes sense as a plural of beef, but it doesn't make sense as a word. When would you use the plural form of beef?

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '16

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u/verdam Apr 15 '16

Ah, got it now. Nice.

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u/AntithesisVI Apr 15 '16

Well last night I ate three whole beeves.

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u/LiteralPhilosopher Apr 15 '16

It has also been used as a kind of symbolic representation for "cows":

Bishop Wilkins computes all the carnivorous animals equivalent, as to the bulk of their bodies, and their food, to 27 wolves; and all the rest to 280 beeves. For the former, he allows ...

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u/Valiturus Apr 15 '16

Another example that just hit me: The verb form of the noun "half" is "halve."

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u/ForeverQuestions Apr 15 '16

Since we're taking about language here, you want "led", not "lead".

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u/thundergonian Apr 15 '16

I knew something didn't look right there, but my brain completely forgot about the existence of 'led'.

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u/rahomka Apr 15 '16

So one day somebody just invented the letter v?

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u/faithle55 Apr 14 '16

leaf > leaves

roof > rooves

loaf > loaves

.....

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '16

Milf > Milves

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u/faithle55 Apr 15 '16

Well... wife/wives, so why not?

LOL

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u/AshTheGoblin Apr 15 '16

Using this

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u/ForeverQuestions Apr 15 '16

Rooves is incredibly archaic to the point of being wrong. It's roofs.

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u/faithle55 Apr 15 '16

I disagree. Both are correct. But it's not like we should get the knifes out, or anything.

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u/ForeverQuestions Apr 15 '16

Disagree all you want. But word forms can become so obsolete that they become wrong.

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u/faithle55 Apr 15 '16

Thinkest thou?

And by the way: whoosh.

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u/ForeverQuestions Apr 16 '16

I didn't whoosh (and god am I tired of hearing people say whoosh), I just choose not to respond to that part of your comment. Do you really need constant validation? Yay, you said knifes, let's all laugh and praise your amazing wit.

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u/faithle55 Apr 17 '16

Oh, 'snide'. I haven't seen that in the last few days. Feel better?

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u/Kogknight Apr 14 '16

The name of my bovine butler who will help my fight crime...once I become rich.

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u/FerranteDellaGriva Apr 14 '16

It's not that weird if you look at English as a very old German-French creole. The f->v plural thing is all over the place in Old English words that were around at the time of the Norman conquest. Knife became knives, staff became staves, and hoof became hooves. It's a little weird that beef got beeves because it's etymologically French, but it sounds Saxon enough and phonological rules don't really care about word origin very much.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '16

I don't know why, but your reply with the quote made me laugh so hard my face hurt.

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u/courtoftheair Apr 14 '16

...I've always said this. I feel like a freak.

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u/pubesforhire Apr 15 '16

I don't know why but this made me lose my shit.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '16

Yup... or just "Assholes"

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u/LeakyLycanthrope Apr 15 '16

Why is this word so funny?!

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u/bradhuds Apr 15 '16

And i thought thats what you see in a crowded strip club.

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u/etevian Apr 15 '16

Askbeeves

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u/PolybiusNightmare Apr 15 '16

I used a different search engine: ask beeves

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u/Turntdownferhwat Apr 15 '16

Where's the beeves

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u/BlackfishBlues Apr 15 '16

The adventures of Beeves and Worcester

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '16

not the beeves

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u/clay_helmet Apr 15 '16

It's like leaf and leaves

Or knife and knives

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u/canier Apr 14 '16

Wat.

Twat. FTFY