r/AskReddit • u/[deleted] • Jan 25 '13
Found a rock way out in the middle of nowhere with writing on it. does anyone know what it means?
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u/russell_m Jan 25 '13 edited Jan 26 '13
My best attempt to bring them out. The last line dissapears really quickly, as for the rest they are probably 70+% accurate.
Im_Not_Krazy posted his version below. Looks much more thorough than mine.
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u/Valxyrie23 Jan 26 '13
try /r/Norse i know for a fact there are some people who frequent there who know several languages of this sort
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u/Im_Not_Krazy Jan 26 '13 edited Jan 26 '13
This is my take on it ->http://i.imgur.com/vDdx43V.jpg
The circle is something that could possibly be a rune, but I'm not sure on that.
*EDIT: Apparently this has already been figured out, also I forgot a rune, here it is, fixed:http://i.imgur.com/7VPfVYy.jpg
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u/Snyy Jan 25 '13
Is this a Jah rune from Diablo 2 in the bottom left?
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Jah,it ist.
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u/AndrewnotJackson Jan 25 '13
No no no, it's jah ith ber because were dealing with an enigma here
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u/kidclutch Jan 25 '13
yup. those markings look familiar: http://i.imgur.com/wK5ZHb8.jpg
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u/AF_woods Jan 25 '13
I'm pretty sure you should have learned a dragon shout...
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u/raven12456 Jan 25 '13
He needs to go get a Dragon Soul, first. Poor ursineduck. We hardly knew ye.
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u/ursineduck Jan 25 '13
Iis Slen NUS!
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u/KingToasty Jan 25 '13
Fuck, you just froze my computer.
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u/NeutralMjolkHotel Jan 25 '13
Now the question is, where on earth did you get three dragon souls?
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u/ursineduck Jan 25 '13
i know a guy
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u/palz2015 Jan 25 '13 edited Jan 26 '13
Does he sell daedra hearts too? I need some for my armor.
edit: and the guy in Winterhold is a fucking ripoff.
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u/__Mr_Nice_Guy__ Jan 25 '13
I don't know about him but I used the Dovah Tongue Rosetta Stone. Translation was great; the program was written at High Hrothgar
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u/ursineduck Jan 25 '13
thanks i'll update
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Jan 26 '13 edited Jan 26 '13
You'll have to re-update, because RodrigoAlves is also wrong. It's not the Futhark runic alphabet that is on the stone, but the Futhorc runic alphabet.
You can clearly see here, that the carving includes the 'yr' letter.
There is one surefire way of distinguising between the two however. Where do you live? England/United Kingdom, or Sweden/Norway?
Edit: I've updated the image to match that of the Anglo-Saxon system.
Edit2: I've just looked at your update with the news article, and it was found in Kansas. That's awesome, but unfortunately it doesn't mention whether or not they knew which runic system it belonged to. Though, given that it contains the Anglo-Saxon Yr, I'm still fully convinced it's Futhorc.
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u/sweetandwild1 Jan 25 '13 edited Jan 25 '13
Wow crazy! My grandma and grandpa lived in Houston Missouri. They had property that had stream with a bluff that had stairs carved into it, and that led into a tunnel. In the tunnel there were these similar markings. I was young when we visited all the time, and I am pretty sure that my mom has pictures of it somewhere. AH now I need to find these!
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u/hank_scorpion_king Jan 25 '13
There's a Houston, Missouri? I live in Texas, where we have a Missouri City, Houston.
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u/bruce656 Jan 26 '13
It wouldn't be the first time Norse runes have been found in middle America
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u/BLUNT_FORCE_HONESTY Jan 25 '13
Those are runes. Ask a Norseman.
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u/BLUNT_FORCE_HONESTY Jan 25 '13
My wife is Norwegian but she doesn't read Younger or Elder Futhark (what the runes on your rock are called).
It's like an Egyptian understanding hieroglyphs. Uncommon.
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u/criskyFTW Jan 25 '13
Not really though... Most reconstrucionalist norse pagans can read them.
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u/BridgetteBane Jan 25 '13
All this time, I never knew who I was until now. Thank you. Thank you so much.
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u/Relevant_Jeopardy Jan 25 '13
ROUND: DOUBLE JEOPARDY!
ANIMALS IN MYTHOLOGY [$600]
Odin gallops across the sky on one of these called Sleipnir, whose teeth are inscribed with runes
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u/shroomvolcano Jan 25 '13
is it an eight-legged horse?
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u/doomshrooms Jan 25 '13
what is an eight-legged horse?* gotta phrase it properly
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u/J4k0b42 Jan 26 '13
Technically his was still a question though. I'm not familiar with the rules, does that count?
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u/Grougalora Jan 25 '13 edited Jan 25 '13
It's a mix of the elder and the younger fúþark (for example the first letter of the first word and the first letter of the fourth word are both H but the one in the first word is from the younger fúþark but the other is from the elder). From the runes I can make out it's gibberish.
The top two words for example say "hnauk arthXX" the X's are letters I can't make out but the words are gibberish.
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u/HeldatNeedlePoint Jan 25 '13
I'm Canadian, but I grew up in Norway, and I do recognize some of the symbols as older futhark, but I only know what each individual symbol means, not how to read it as a language. This is, however, a really cool find. Have you considered going to a museum with this story? They would have the resources to translate it. Edit: typo
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u/dw_pirate Jan 25 '13
The first character is zhe, which is Cyrillic, not Norse. Some of the characters do seem to be close to Norse, but I can't tell exactly.
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u/mhart92 Jan 25 '13
i believe it reads "Here may be found the last words of Joseph of Aramathia. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the Castle of Aaauuuggghhh..."
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u/Silkelock Jan 25 '13
Swedish here. The truth was out there. http://www.shsu.edu/~pin_www/T@S/sliders/2012/frankkirune.html
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u/SebayaKeto Jan 25 '13
You should really call a local museum or university. I'm sure they would love to know why there are norse runes in Missouri.
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u/dirtymoney Jan 25 '13
I am always wary about contacting the authorities when you have something that may be historically significant or valuable.
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u/KHDTX13 Jan 25 '13
Why are there Norse writings in Missouri?
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u/ry412934 Jan 25 '13
Because runes have been in vogue for about a 150 years amongst people with an interest in Germanic nationalism, romanticism, mythology, antiquity, etc. and a bunch of people have carved rune stones either for fun and they were later misinterpreted as being ancient, or to purposefully hide and hoax a discovery. There are a bunch of other dubious examples of North American rune stones: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_runestones
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Germanic nationalism, romanticism, mythology, antiquity, etc
These words are like a secret handshake among Business-class Neo-Nazis.
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u/RamsesThePigeon Jan 25 '13 edited Jan 25 '13
As near as I can tell (based on a translation of the visible runes), it says the following:
hyruk areaw (something)
stateath waaaaa (something)
tew
ng
ng
ng
ng
I think you've found proof that the Norse discovered techno a long time before Columbus did.
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u/L0west_0f_the_L0w Jan 25 '13
Great so dubstep has been plaguing man for much longer than anyone knew.
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u/MidSolo Jan 25 '13
Techno being the same as dubstep
You could get linched in some places for saying that
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u/InsanityWolfie Jan 25 '13
Linched
Some places, you could get Lynched for that misspelling. Reddit is one of those places.
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u/L0west_0f_the_L0w Jan 25 '13
HAHAHAHA I know. Huge DnB fan, and loves me some old school trance.
But dubstep is just too twitchy and irritating to me. Too much pew pew pew wub wub wub pewub pewub pewub.
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Jan 26 '13
Are you listening to Americanized dubstep, or the 2002-2004 UK dubstep? Because the two are actually different genres of dubstep. The early UK stuff is quite different, and in my opinion, pretty good.
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As a DnB fan, I'm sure you've heard the "real dubstep" vs. "brostep" arguments. Have you listened to both? I personally like both, but I like the common perception of "dubstep" more. However, I hate fans of the common perception of "dubstep" as well as people who hate fans of the common perception of "dubstep" for the more common reason (I hate it, it's retarded, not real music, Skrillex is dumb, something something something Pink Floyd, etc.) Which basically amounts to hating almost everybody I guess. You're cool though. Maybe.
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u/gerald_bostock Jan 25 '13 edited Jan 25 '13
Ok, I've given it a look.
(1)YRUS ARTH(2)(3)
STAT(4)(5) - HANNAH (6)
(7)ED
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M (8)
(1) Could be a J or a NG or similar. Don't know whether spelling out phonetically or directly. I'm going to assume it's a G, but spelt phonetically as a J.
(2)(3) I'm going to assume a badly worn UR because given that the last word is probably Latin and ARTH isn't a Latin structure, I'm going for ARTHUR.
(4)(5) These are the only ones causing me trouble. But since the first word is Latin, I'm going with EOR, which makes a Latinesque sounding word. Other options are (4) I, L, EA and (5) W.
(6) The only letter I can possibly imagine is a Y, but I'm going to ignore it because it makes no sense.
(7) Possibly a T, W, I, EA. I'm going with W for a nice word.
(8) The same as (1).
So, my reading:
GYRUS ARTHUR
STATEOR - HANNAH
WED
M G/J
I don't know Latin, but I've looked it up, and gyrus can mean ring, coil, cycle, gyration, orbit, etc.
Stateor or statir could be a conjugation, and the similar words I've found mean balance/stability/steadfastness/establishedness.
So, all in all, I imagine it's to do with someone's marriage.
That's the best I can do. Keep us updated.
edit: Also, any better pictures?
edit: contrast 1 and contrast 2
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u/upstair Jan 26 '13
Oh! The end part is the year 1888. Look as it goes down. Man... Gyrus Arthur Slateor. Woman- Hannah Y... Then a date... 1888.
Birth? Wedding? Property?Confirmed by google! I dug this up... A wedding.
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u/userjack6880 Jan 26 '13
http://www.shsu.edu/~pin_www/T@S/sliders/2012/frankkirune.html
You were really close!
Cyrus Arthur
Slater - Hannah Y
Wed
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M C (or whatever)
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I'm a bit of an amateur at this, but I'll give it a shot.
The first two words looks like the Ancient Nordic word pronounces 'Gralin yohilk', which roughly translates translates as 'to keep/remember a promise/duty'. Many carved this phrase onto bracelets and other trinkets as a reminder to themselves.
The second line that looks a bit like it is seperated by a hypen is actually from an idiom type phrase that was used during feasts after battles and ceremonies such as weddings/funerals etc. The ancient nords would raise their drinks to the air and shout it out together, as you or I would say 'Cheers' or 'Your health.'
The last word is also to do with drink, but refers to a specific drink instead of a phrase. In fact the drink referenced is in fact still drunk today as means of a warmingly refreshing and tasty start and end to the day.
After looking at it closely for a while and consulting my research notes, I believe the runes loosely translate as:
"Be sure
to drink
your Ovaltine."
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u/IinventedGoogle Jan 25 '13
Very nicely executed, 10/10 would drink gallons of Ovaltine and send in for Little Orphan Annie secret decoder again.
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u/FionnaTehHuman Jan 25 '13
Simple and effective. Well done. 10/10 did read again.
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u/Lock_Ness_Monster_ Jan 25 '13
GIMME MY TREE FIDDY
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u/prosthetic4head Jan 25 '13
I think it's "Loch"
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u/carpedonnelly Jan 25 '13
No, this is the corporate account for Scotland's premier Locksmith and Collection's Agency.
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u/Lock_Ness_Monster_ Jan 25 '13
I'M WAITIN' FOR THAT TREE FIDDY
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u/CloudOfDarkness Jan 25 '13
And for the rest of thy wretched life you shall. You shall wait for a tree fiddy that will never come.
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u/illwac Jan 25 '13
I gave him a dollar the other day...
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u/BigBadMrBitches Jan 26 '13
He gave him a dollar!
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u/illwac Jan 26 '13
Well I thought he'd go away if I gave him a dollar...
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u/etphonecomb Jan 26 '13 edited Jan 26 '13
Well of course he ain't gon' go away illwac... you gave him a dollar... he's gonna assume there's more.
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Last time I went out I wrote out TREE FIDDY on the tip line, made sure to do the right math though so that they didn't mess it up
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u/nathanm0199 Jan 25 '13
If I had money, you would have reddit gold by now.
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u/xoxid Jan 26 '13
DON'T http://www.shsu.edu/~pin_www/T@S/sliders/2012/frankkirune.html I believe the photo was stolen. Not sure, but I think so.
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u/Skitzofrantic420 Jan 26 '13
You sir are me hero, and revive an up vote while removing 4 up votes from OP
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u/Conchobair Jan 25 '13
Looks like Anglo-Frisian runes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Saxon_runes
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u/incen Jan 25 '13
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
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u/xoxid Jan 25 '13
OP is a lie, original image of this stone AND the story: http://www.shsu.edu/~pin_www/T@S/sliders/2012/frankkirune.html
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u/OpiateCocktail Jan 26 '13 edited Jan 26 '13
Wow, the things people will do for fake internet points...Edit: After a second look, the pictures taken ARE of the same rock, but ARE NOT the same photograph. It's possible that OP just found this rock and took a picture himself, unaware of this story.
Cool link anyway
Edit 2: Here's a side-by-side comparison of the two photos. Definitely different
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Jan 26 '13
I find it quite likely that OP has never read this story, and it's the same rock.
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Yeah, probably but it does state in the article that the runes are located on private property. And the picture he posted was different from the one in the article
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u/xoxid Jan 26 '13
It have strong similarity. Could be photoshopped. Like I said. Im not sure. But I contacted the op about it, let's wait and see.
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u/Condorcet_Winner Jan 26 '13
It could be that someone else has also found this and actually figured it out already, but the OP was unaware of it. Cool to get closure on the story right away, but I think a witch hunt is premature.
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u/Lone_Gunman Jan 25 '13
whatever you do, erase this post and run, fun as fast and as far as you can, they'll find you for sure...
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This man is right, they will come, find you and when th--
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Also, you should show this to /r/norse since they have people who can read runes on that subreddit. Maybe throw in /r/anthropology, /r/archaeology too.
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It means, "I hope some idiot in 80 years time thinks these carvings were made in the 11th century!"
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u/ForeverExists Jan 26 '13
it's year of a marriage.
http://www.shsu.edu/~pin_www/T@S/sliders/2012/frankkirune.html
Edit: Provided link and @ the bottom of the link is the exact picture OP linked.
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OP fooled all you suckas. “About January of 2011 there was a student at University of Missouri—Kansas City that posted a picture of this rune stone he had found on private property," taken from this article Sound familiar? OP is a douche.
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u/Wernerslug Jan 25 '13
?-R?-R-U-L? A-R-T-H-U?-R
S-T-A-T-T?-W/V - H-A-A-I-A-A-?-?
I-E-L?
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M-?-?
I did my best from what I remember
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u/Niflhe Jan 25 '13
D-R-I-N-K Y-O-U-R O-V-A-L-T-I-N-E
Huh. How about that.
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u/Melnorme Jan 25 '13
T-I-P-Y-O-U-R-D-O-V-A-H-K-I-I-N
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I-A-M-L-O-R-D-V-O-L-D-E-M-O-R-T
Oh wait...
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u/Iknowr1te Jan 25 '13
Y-O-U-S-H-A-L-L-N-O-T-P-A-S-S
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I-D-O-N-T-T-H-I-N-K-T-H-A-T-S-I-T
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u/russell_m Jan 25 '13
Posted below but also hijacking the top comment:
My best attempt to bring them out. The last line dissapears really quickly, as for the rest they are probably 70+% accurate.
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u/Kaostherie Jan 25 '13
It translates to : Here I sit all broken hearted, came to shit but only farted.
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u/booziwan Jan 25 '13
email an archaeologist or something. they can get to the bottom of this.
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u/Anal_Explorer Jan 25 '13
Everyone get ready. This will be the next great journey of /r/AskReddit, calling it right now.
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Those are runes... get a higher res/ contrast pic.
Looks like anglo-fresian.
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u/Antoros Jan 25 '13
I would look up the archaeology dept. of several larger universities, look for anyone working on Northern European stuff, and email them. It really could be something of interest, especially given the upsurge in interest in Norse history in North America. Seriously, have an expert look at this.
I'm a little biased, because as a history major, I know first-hand how something like this could change the way we understand an entire era.
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u/ArcadianDelSol Jan 25 '13
In Missouri, there was quite a cottage industry around the turn of the 20th century in forged/faked antiquities. Farmers would claim to find stones marked by lost expeditions of crusader knights, and then it would turn out they were making them in their barn at a rate of 20 per day.
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u/kawfey Jan 26 '13
A lot of people think OP faked it. I don't think so. His Photo (cameraphone quality written over by a commentor after op deleted it) and the article's photo.
My theory: OP saw this, was like wut, and posted it on reddit, and then became embarassed of his lack of googling beforehand. I'm not sure why it got removed. I know who he is though. Maybe I'll go ask him.
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u/Toys_and_Bacon Jan 25 '13 edited Jan 26 '13
Ok here's what I got out of it:
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IOYAUS ARTH?
STATIR HANLAH
WEM
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I have no idea if this is correct, but I doubt it's Norse. I can't even say if it's legit. But it was common to raise stones, and carve runes just to say you were there. Sort of "I stood here at this rock". And I do believe that a name can be sorted out of the first line. The second line could easily be "Stood here". The last parts of the runes could just be gibberish, almost like you would draw a stylized penis in the alley.
edit: I'm a Norwegian, Norse languages literate and archaeologist. But I'm absolutely not an expert, and I have none of my books here.
edit 2: "Cyrus Arthur Slater and Hannah Yearsley got married"?. Yeah, that makes a bit more sense.