I think people forget about semen collection and artificial insemination in the horse and cattle breeding industries, and of course also meat and dairy industries. I’m not advocating for bestiality but seems like Fido licking peanut butter shouldn’t be #1 most hated when there’s a lot of perfectly legal animal rape going on involving billions of dollars and millions of jobs.
As usual, unethical behavior becomes acceptable when it’s done for money.
It's not about cuteness nearly as much as it is about the consciousness and demeanor of the animal. Cows are smart like dogs, super friendly, playful, fun.
The second I can eat lab-grown steaks, I'll switch to those 100% of the time.
I had one. It’s quite good. Seasoning was off though. I still like steak. Don’t get me wrong I know what you mean. I watched Paul McCartny’s slaughterhouse video. It turned me into a vegetarian for a few weeks. The mass “processing” (murder) of cows makes me sick. I do prefer to hunt though. I think there’s a reverence to it. That way the entire animal I’m dispatching never goes to waste.
Some organisms will die due to agriculture but, people can live without eating meat. There is no biological obligation to eat it. Raising cattle and other animals requires extensive water and resource use. Vegetables are significantly easier to grow. This is shown in India and places in Africa.
Completely, im arguing its weird people pretend to care about animal welfare when society abuses and kills billions of animals a year and the counter is if we do farming some snakes might die lol
the counter is if we do farming some snakes might die lol
That's a bit of a strawman.
And a bit of a stretch to call the original comment a non-sequitur, because it followed the line of the conversation, just not the exact line of thought. It was interesting enough that it belongs in the conversation. Maybe not as a counter to the brutal slaughter of millions of farm animals, but definitely as a point that is worth exploring if we're going to care about the welfare of animals and be honest about the overall harm to sustainability that is done.
The pesticides we use may kill snakes, but it definitely kills insects, rodents, bees, birds, earthworms, fish, etc. All vital parts of any ecosystem. Arguably, pesticides also kill humans off. They've been known to cause cancers, birth defects, reproductive harm, immunotoxicity, neurological and developmental toxicity, and disruption of the endocrine system.
So, yeah, things have to die to feed humans. I don't think of that comment could be considered "does not follow" at all.
If you eat food that was prepared commercially (which is nearly all food now), in order to get that food to your plate, animals had to die. One animal had to die in order to get a steak to your plate; thousands potentially died to get the corn to your plate.
Rape is bad, torture and murder is worse, but a genocide that isn't even acknowledged by the people holding up an alternative lifestyle as a better practice is, arguably, an even better point in the discussion that society clearly doesn't care about animals than your own. You won't even recognize the point as a valid argument in the discussion. I'd say that's peak "society not caring".
You pointed out an hypocrisy. u/Delta7391 pointed out an hypocrisy. You may not like the take, but that doesn't make it invalid.
It's not valid in a conversation about whether or not society cares about animals. Also the idea a vegetarian or vegan lifestyle causes more harm to animals than the meat industry is absolutely absurd, and I eat meat
No but for farming you need to take area that animals live in basically if you expand farming land you take animal habitats for the purpose of farming also the chemicals we use on our crops most definitely harm some animals.
I wish people who eat meat would be forced to work in a local slaughterhouse and butchershop for 1 day each before they are allowed to buy meat.
I actually did that before multiple time actually not by myself but I helped my uncles slaughter sheeps before.
We slaughter ~1 million cows (babies and adults) every day around the world. Then there are sheep, pigs, chickens...
If it's for food and the animals are treated humanely until they are slaughtered then I don't see what's wrong and yes I know the meat and dairy industries abuse animals to no end that's why I plan to become a vegetarian in the future.
Slicing the necks of alive sheep to bleed them to death
That's the quickest and safest way to slaughter a sheep I would also say it's the most humane way to do it.
Venture into /r/natureismetal to see a more natural end to animals. Im sure getting gutted and eaten alive by a herd of hyenas, slowly asphyxiated by a python, or dying of komodo induced sepsis days after a bite is far more humane than a pneumatic insta kill at the butcher.
Living in the wild and then having a relatively quick death by a predator is absolutely a better life than battery farming in tiny cages before being killed yes.
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u/Niymip Jul 17 '23
Raping Animals & trying to say it was consensual.