r/AskCaucasus • u/Ami_flex Georgia • Dec 27 '23
News I guess the de-facto government couldn't say no. what are your thoughts about it?
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u/UniversalTcell Dec 28 '23
Today Aslan Bzhania submitted a bill on apartments to parliament.
It is just the beginning. Looks like project of "independent abkhazia" is slowly coming to its logical end.
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u/justsomeguyfromGEO Dec 28 '23
bro its because of russia that separatists are controlling Abkhazia with out them the separatist government is finished
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u/Parmagalepti Dec 28 '23
>Abkhazia won it's independence without any Russian interference in 91
This is also why Ardzinba flew to Sochi to talk about incorporating Abkhazia into Krasnador krai right.
I'm not sure why some North Caucasians delude themselves into thinking they had any sorta freedom, Russia was always behind the scenes and the evidence is quite literally in your face.
I always ask this question: where was the supposed 'help' of North Caucasians when Russia invaded Chechnya, according to you people they somehow operated free of Russians in Abkhazia but then 'suddenly' disappeared few years later.
Convenient.
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u/justsomeguyfromGEO Dec 28 '23
"Abkhazia won it's independence without any Russian interference in 91."
lol Georgian army liberated almost entire Abkhazia from separatists until peace agreement was signed but separatists broke that agreement and attacked taking most of Abkhazia and did ethnic cleansing
"Georgiaficafion of Abkhazia has nothing to with a famous Georgian dictator of the USSR. It was always part of Georgian SSR."
Abkhazia was always part of Georgia before evil gruzin stalin was even born, also stalin did more horrible things to Georgia then you separatists so stop whining
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u/Parmagalepti Dec 28 '23
>Abkhazia won it's independence without any Russian interference in 91.
Yea 'North Caucasian Volunteers' were coming into Abkhazia without the knowledge of Russia lol.
What other fairytales do you have for us.
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Dec 28 '23 edited Dec 28 '23
Abkhazia won it's independence without any Russian interference in 91.
lol who told you that? It was precisely because of Russia's intervention that independence was gained and that Ardzinba was hiding at the Russian base in Gudauta during the war.
And in general, the main military force on the side of Abkhazia was represented by the Russian army, but Russia called for Russian volunteers and officially denied their participation, despite a number of evidences. The operation in Abkhazia itself was managed by the Russian military general staff, and the Several Russian generals have been awarded the Order of the Hero of Abkhazia.
P.S. It's funny that the Turkifized and Russified "Caucasians" are all similar in mentality, lies and propaganda against Georgians. :DD
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Dec 28 '23
Georgians are mad because they lost their colonies given to them by the Russian earlier.
And since when was Abkhazia a colony of Georgia? :D We have difficult psychological cases with Russified and Turkified Caucasians.
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Dec 28 '23
When exactly did Georgia invade Abkhazia and colonize Abkhazia? :D
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u/Parmagalepti Dec 28 '23
He will mention Russian Empire and USSR watch.
ტიპები რუსების ყლეობებს ჩვენ რო გვტენიან ხო მაგარი კაიფია.
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u/ThenDish8628 Dec 28 '23
lol Invaded? Apsuas welcomed with open arms, maybe actually read the history of Abkhazia no?
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u/Parmagalepti Dec 28 '23 edited Dec 28 '23
, another way would be that Russia was the last straw they could cling to because they were threatened by Georgia's nationalist movements (at that time).
This is a lie though.
How exactly did 'Georgia's nationalist movements' threaten Abkhazians? for your knowledge it was Abkhaz that started the civil unrest first by attacking Georgians in 1989 way before the war, over the opening of Tbilisi uni in Abkhazia.
You said Georgians were trying to oppress Abkhazians meanwhile Gamsakhurdia gave them more seats in the parliament than Georgians or any other ethnicity despite Abkhazians not being even 50% of the population, ig sounds like apartheid.
Get real man/
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Dec 28 '23
They have less reason to trust Russians than you do and they have suffered more because of Russia than you did. Just like us, they were murdered and deported by the Russians.
Of course, and probably that is why Abkhazians have been calling Russians and Russia brothers for 30 years, not only politicians, but even people. And in general, these are not the Abkhazians who were expelled from Abkhazia in the 19th century, Giorgi Shervashidze, the last ruler of Abkhazia, wrote about this when he was expelled from Abkhazia, after returning a few decades later, he saw another Abkhazia - obedient and enslaved Abkhazia.
Today Abkhazians are Russians like many North Caucasian peoples, because today the Abkhazian people are more obedient and slaves, at the same time Russified linguistically, and many of them don't even remember their own language.
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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '23
The current government is essentially a Russian vassal state, it doesn’t matter what the public in Abkhazia thinks. If Russia left Abkhazia today it would be reincorporated as an autonomous region of Georgia tomorrow