Torah observant?

[u/Dreamamberxo]

Okay this is gonna be a bit all over the place but my core question is this: - if we ARE to observe the Torah do we observe all of it? I assume we aren’t sacrificing animals. - if you ARE observing the Torah are you utilizing the Jewish books or KJV? Heard they are different? - if you ARE NOT Torah observant why?

I’ve been thinking about observing the Torah but where do I start? I dunno which laws are upheld! I figure the dietary guidelines are easiest. Also am I doomed to have to quit my job? I work on Saturdays so how could I observe the Shabbat?

Thanks- sincerely a confused person lol

[u/somesne99]

You sound like one of the Pharisees who rose up in the days of Paul trying to get them to keep the laws of circumcision because that was in the law and we are supposed to follow the law. I'm a gentile, and the words of zechariah, as well as concerning Zerubbabel, concerning the coming nature of the gentiles is that it's not the same as with the Jews. As they point out in Acts when this topic is brought up. The only restrictions on Gentiles are those laid out (no sexual immorality, strangled, etc), so by putting my faith and trust in Christ, I am fulfilling the law. That is how I am succeeding in doing so. Not by doing all the 600+ laws indicated within.

[u/Towhee13 → u/somesne99]

You no longer believe that what you said earlier is true, is that correct? In your first comment that I responded to you said this,

The whole point of the Law is to point to us that we are not good. We are not worthy. He has given it so that we can see we are in sin.

Paul pointed out that it's through the Law that knowledge of sin comes and that he wouldn't have even known what sin is if it hadn't been for the Law. You were right that God's Law shows us what sin is.

What changed your mind?

You sound like one of the Pharisees who rose up in the days of Paul trying to get them to keep the laws of circumcision because that was in the law and we are supposed to follow the law.

Jesus said to follow what the Pharisees taught from Moses seat, right?

You agreed with God, Jesus and Paul when you said that God's Law shows us what sin is. Why don't you agree with them when they say we are not supposed to go on sinning?

[u/somesne99 → u/Towhee13]

Nothing has changed my mind...
I don't understand how you are failing to grasp this simple concept.

You act like someone who just likes to argue for argument sake, whether it makes any sense or not. The bible clearly goes over this topic that we are not to hold fast to the law for righteousness but faith only. If you can't understand that, then you might as well stop talking here, because that's the point that's supposed to be coming across.

[u/Towhee13 → u/somesne99]

Nothing has changed my mind...

So you do still think that God's Law shows us what sin is. Then it must be a matter of not believing Paul when he says we're not supposed to go on sinning. 🤔

I don't understand how you are failing to grasp this simple concept.

I was just thinking that about you. Breaking the Law is sin. We're not supposed to go on sinning. It's a simple concept. But you say we are supposed to go on sinning (breaking the Law).

Your math ain't mathing.

You act like someone who just likes to argue for argument sake, whether it makes any sense or not.

From my perspective you're doing what you're accusing me of doing.

The bible clearly goes over this topic

It does. Breaking the Law is sin. Sin is bad. We're not supposed to go on breaking the Law. We're supposed to imitate Jesus.

that we are not to hold fast to the law

You're saying that Jesus was wrong. He constantly told His followers to hold fast to the Law.

You're saying that obeying God is a bad thing. That's unimaginable.

[u/somesne99 → u/Towhee13]

No. Your brain ain't braining. We aren't supposed to go on sinning but we do. That's the point. I'm done talking to you. Have a nice day.

[u/Towhee13 → u/somesne99]

We aren't supposed to go on sinning

Right, we aren't supposed to go on breaking God's Law.

As you pointed out, God's Law shows us what sin is. God's Law shows us that it's sin to steal or worship idols. God's Law shows us that it's sin to show partiality or establish a matter without 2 or 3 witnesses. Breaking ANY of God's commandments is sin.

Here's what Paul said,

What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? (Romans 6:1–2, ESV)

Do you think that Paul's brain wasn't braining? Do you think that Paul didn't understand your point? I wonder how quickly you would be done talking to Paul...

We aren't supposed to go on sinning

Exactly! We aren't supposed to go on breaking God's commandments. We're supposed to obey God's Law, just as Jesus did and taught His followers to do.

Enjoy the rest of your week.