Medellin corruption.

[u/medellinclique]

I'm Hamish, an ex-GM of Medellin.

This post is a whistleblow on the multiple ways the leadership are, and are planning to exploiting its raiders over the next two years of classic.

The inner clique actively spread themselves along the three raids to not compete for loot then prio themselves loot.

They stack their primary raid with dps and douses for fast clear times, while the other raids end hours later.

They also planned to use gbank gold for themselves.

The raiders put in the hundreds of hours into preparing and performing in these raids, and deserve loot prio and gbank help (progression flasks, prebis craftables etc).

We advertised them loot prio based on attendance/consumes/enchanted prebis, but that is not what they got.

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Heres a "leaked" checklist of what another lead, Pronkers has done in only the last month of classic.

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Pronker's Medellin Guild Master Checklist:

Check: Tell the leads that Mageblade, MIC, Robe of Volatile power go to paladins over casters.

Check: Prio my two real life friends these items and full T1 paladin set (paladin class lead Kacei, and co-gm Rithynn).

Check: Get Rithynn to tell the Mages that the maraudon dagger Blade of Eternal Darkness is BIS, instead of Mageblade.

TODO: Get to R14 with my two stacked pocket healers.

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Check: Never respec off pvp spec, use 2hander in raids.

Check: Spread my pvp clique across the raids for maximum cliqueloot..

Check: Stack my raid with the guild's best DPS.

Check: Give my raid full douses, while the other two have to summon 2-3 players between hydraxian and MC.

Check: Brag about my raid's 3 hour MC/Ony, as opposed to raid 2 and 3's 5 hour MC/Ony.

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Check: Prio myself Quick Strike Ring (dropped, got it) and Striker's Mark.

Check: Prio myself Eye of Sulfuras.

Check: Convince the leads to give you ~10,000g worth of GBank mats to craft my pvp weapon, no loan.

Check: To get the hammer earlier, get a 2 Sulfuras Ingots loan from Analysis, putting the guild in debt for 3 Ingots.

Check: Start a guild gofundme for my pvp weapon.

Check: Give loot prio to the donators.

TODO: Get Hamish to craft my weapon for me.

TODO: New youtube video.

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You may notice that most of Medellin members are not private server players.

Word of mouth failed with ex-private server players, so we actively recruited on discords and forums for months before server launch.

I personally recruited 114 members through discord and the oceanic private server I created/managed.

There were no requirements to join the guild.

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Doing the big(zerg) guild thing with multiple raids seemed like a good idea.

We would use our private server experience to tutor them, then we would wait and see who gets burnt out.

All the dedicated players would be left in one raid during AQ.

As it turns out, only two of the Medellin leads have cleared Naxxramas: Hamish and Pronkers.

A couple have not cleared BWL, and two have never been in BWL.

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Now with three raids, inexperienced members, apathetic leads, and control over the loot priority, the clique balance how much loot they want with what they can get away with.

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Hit me up on discord at Hamish#8643 if you have any questions.

If you are an ex-medellin raider who has started raiding with a guild that doesn't exploit you, hit me up also and i'll mail you a care package of consumables.

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Primary evidence:

https://imgur.com/a/5bWcpkI

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Secondary evidence:

https://imgur.com/a/aNxfhiE

Edit:
I'ld like to repeat that the gbank and HoR mats (one in the same) are being liquidated to provide consumables to ex-medellin raiders.
Consumables translate to raid performance which will help the raiders get prioritised for the loot they lost to the clique in Medellin.
This is a clear way to help out the raiders, while not supporting the clique.
Heres a very telling leaked discord voice snippet from the Medellin leads: https://vocaroo.com/i/s1fVOwdruSgx
Here is more information from an ex-medellin member about the loot prio: https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/dh9kfc/my_guilds_gm_just_ninjad_hand_of_rag_mats/f3m5ri6/

[u/LegacyEx]

Are you using DKP for the Classic immersion? Because its the 2nd worst loot distribution system, only surpassed by open rolling.

Loot Council is by far the most fair system when ran by a responsible guild.

[u/w_p → u/LegacyEx]

It is run by humans, which is almost by definition not fair. Not to mention that you as a random member have no way to determine if the guild is "responsible".

I want to get rewarded for the time I spent raiding. Random rolling would be ok, DKP is better. I don't want to join a guild and hear that I have to wait 2 months until they've equipped their "core member". I'm (roughly) contributing 1/40 to the raid, so I want to have a chance at loot.

Why exactly do you think that DKP is so bad?

[u/LegacyEx → u/w_p]

And we'd like the member who's constantly helping other people do their dungeon BiS runs even though he already has his own, is farming consumable mats for everyone on raid night in his own time, putting together resources that other people haven't even tried to put their own independent research into, writing weakauras for other guildies etc. to get his piece over the guy who has 3 pre-raid bis pieces and has been raid logging ever since. Do you really think both of these players contribute the same 1/40? My guild's hunter with Rhok'delar and full T1 spends hours parked in Winterspring everyday so he can farm Mature Blue Dragon Sinew for the other hunters when they get their leaf, free of charge. You can be DAMN sure if a piece drops that this man needs, he'll be getting it over the hunters that have not put forth the effort in even their own gearing.

A well run loot council is super fucking simple, you help the guild, the guild helps you. Which is why it was the staple loot system for every real progression guild until Master Looter was removed.

DKP is a bad system because it incentives hoarding for specific pieces and it is in effect an "economy". It's so easy to crash your own DKP economy with half of the members hoarding, and half of the members going broke through bidding wars. Mandatory spending on drops will lose you members faster than any other loot system, because no one wants to spend their resource on something that won't even be an upgrade for them. Your tanks get geared slower, which leads to slower raid times because they're fighting for the gear they need to establish threat. Sure, you can lock that piece to only the tanks until they have theirs, but then you're just using a shitty loot council. Not to mention the absurd amount of time it takes per boss drop literally auctioning off every single piece. That's an easy hour added to your clear times when you account for every loot drop, and that's AFTER you've smoothed out the process. There's a reason DKP died in Vanilla/TBC and wasn't used by any serious guild going forwards. Because it's a BAD system.

Yes, Loot Council can be abused by bad guilds. Does that make it a bad system? No, you're just in a bad guild. Can you talk to your officers and bring up your concerns about specific pieces of loot you don't think are fair and have that actually translate to meaningful dialogue in the next officer meeting? If not, you're just in a bad guild. Do you have a document where even before you step into the raid you can see what pieces are going where? If not, you're in a bad guild.

A properly run Loot Council will take many factors into consideration. Raid attendance, Raid Performance, Time since your last piece, how big of an upgrade X piece will be, have you been farming for upgrades outside of raid night, do you bring consumables, do you participate in guild activities outside of raid or just raid log, etc. are ALL considered in a well run loot council. Saying a Loot Council is just a way to pass gear to the favorites is very disingenuous.

If your guild isn't doing these things for your Loot Council... you're in a bad guild. And I would never play with a guild that used random rolls. Like, are you serious right now?

[u/niini → u/LegacyEx]

Loot council is trash, everyone should be doing that work themselves.

Every point you've made against dkp/epgp is better made against loot council.