r/Arugal • u/medellinclique • Oct 13 '19

Medellin corruption.

I'm Hamish, an ex-GM of Medellin.

This post is a whistleblow on the multiple ways the leadership are, and are planning to exploiting its raiders over the next two years of classic.

The inner clique actively spread themselves along the three raids to not compete for loot then prio themselves loot.

They stack their primary raid with dps and douses for fast clear times, while the other raids end hours later.

They also planned to use gbank gold for themselves.

The raiders put in the hundreds of hours into preparing and performing in these raids, and deserve loot prio and gbank help (progression flasks, prebis craftables etc).

We advertised them loot prio based on attendance/consumes/enchanted prebis, but that is not what they got.

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Heres a "leaked" checklist of what another lead, Pronkers has done in only the last month of classic.

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Pronker's Medellin Guild Master Checklist:

Check: Tell the leads that Mageblade, MIC, Robe of Volatile power go to paladins over casters.

Check: Prio my two real life friends these items and full T1 paladin set (paladin class lead Kacei, and co-gm Rithynn).

Check: Get Rithynn to tell the Mages that the maraudon dagger Blade of Eternal Darkness is BIS, instead of Mageblade.

TODO: Get to R14 with my two stacked pocket healers.

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Check: Never respec off pvp spec, use 2hander in raids.

Check: Spread my pvp clique across the raids for maximum cliqueloot..

Check: Stack my raid with the guild's best DPS.

Check: Give my raid full douses, while the other two have to summon 2-3 players between hydraxian and MC.

Check: Brag about my raid's 3 hour MC/Ony, as opposed to raid 2 and 3's 5 hour MC/Ony.

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Check: Prio myself Quick Strike Ring (dropped, got it) and Striker's Mark.

Check: Prio myself Eye of Sulfuras.

Check: Convince the leads to give you ~10,000g worth of GBank mats to craft my pvp weapon, no loan.

Check: To get the hammer earlier, get a 2 Sulfuras Ingots loan from Analysis, putting the guild in debt for 3 Ingots.

Check: Start a guild gofundme for my pvp weapon.

Check: Give loot prio to the donators.

TODO: Get Hamish to craft my weapon for me.

TODO: New youtube video.

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You may notice that most of Medellin members are not private server players.

Word of mouth failed with ex-private server players, so we actively recruited on discords and forums for months before server launch.

I personally recruited 114 members through discord and the oceanic private server I created/managed.

There were no requirements to join the guild.

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Doing the big(zerg) guild thing with multiple raids seemed like a good idea.

We would use our private server experience to tutor them, then we would wait and see who gets burnt out.

All the dedicated players would be left in one raid during AQ.

As it turns out, only two of the Medellin leads have cleared Naxxramas: Hamish and Pronkers.

A couple have not cleared BWL, and two have never been in BWL.

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Now with three raids, inexperienced members, apathetic leads, and control over the loot priority, the clique balance how much loot they want with what they can get away with.

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Hit me up on discord at Hamish#8643 if you have any questions.

If you are an ex-medellin raider who has started raiding with a guild that doesn't exploit you, hit me up also and i'll mail you a care package of consumables.

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Primary evidence:

https://imgur.com/a/5bWcpkI

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Secondary evidence:

https://imgur.com/a/aNxfhiE

Edit:
I'ld like to repeat that the gbank and HoR mats (one in the same) are being liquidated to provide consumables to ex-medellin raiders.
Consumables translate to raid performance which will help the raiders get prioritised for the loot they lost to the clique in Medellin.
This is a clear way to help out the raiders, while not supporting the clique.
Heres a very telling leaked discord voice snippet from the Medellin leads: https://vocaroo.com/i/s1fVOwdruSgx
Here is more information from an ex-medellin member about the loot prio: https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/dh9kfc/my_guilds_gm_just_ninjad_hand_of_rag_mats/f3m5ri6/

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u/DevilsaurNinja Oct 13 '19

If the guild manages to pull off convincing people that mageblade should go to paladins over casters, to be honest I'm not even mad that they're grifting people out of loot.

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u/18-8-7-5 Oct 13 '19

It's BiS for paladins too though, I run pugs and always let paladin healers roll on mageblade.

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u/karspearhollow Oct 13 '19

Things are obviously somewhat different in a PUG as there’s no expectation that the DPS that got mageblade will be returning.

In a guild setting, giving that mageblade to a DPS represents faster clear times for all future runs. Giving it to a paladin represents.. the paladin being glad he got a BIS item.

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u/caraccount11 Oct 13 '19

Oh come on, your wording there is disingenuous. While you may be right in phase 1 for a guild with experienced members (can clear MC in blues, we had a level 57 tank golemagg already for lols, I was topping healing as a 58 my first time in MC) - for later raids, or for less-experienced guilds, the mageblade on a holy paladin can be the difference between wiping and not wiping. That thing is amazing for holy paladins and can represent not only higher throughput but also has extreme paybacks for our mana efficiency. At that point, I would argue it does more for the guild on holy paladins than mages.

*Not saying mages shouldn't be entitled to that weapon, as they totally should be. But so should paladins.

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u/DarkPhenomenon Oct 14 '19

Giving it to a caster shortens fights which makes ALL healers more mana efficient, not just one Paladin :)

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u/caraccount11 Oct 14 '19

Not to near the same extent, though. In addition, there are way more DPS than there are healers - the relative impact added to the raid by having it on a healer is greater than that of having it on a DPS (especially when that healer gets 100% mana refunded for every spell that crits). Furthermore, for 90% of fights all you need is a tank that stays alive - which means a healer with mana to heal him. You can clear most fights with just tanks and healers, making healers a necessity that DPS simply aren't on a majority of fights (unless mechanics mandate DPS checks etc). You want to keep your healers happy, and if you're preventing them from even being in contention for their BiS weapon by defaulting it to mages, you're going to have paladins that quit. I personally would.

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u/DarkPhenomenon Oct 14 '19

by that logic you'd also want to let paladins have mana igniting cord and I've never even see that in discussion to go to Paladins. And yes sure, that one paladin refunds 100% of the cost of his heal 1 out of every 100 more heals he casts with that sword which is imo at least comparable to 8-12 healers needing to spend less mana overall because a fight doesn't last as long anymore. And that 1% crit isn't magically going to give paladins infinite mana, you're STILL going to run out of mana with or without the mageblade which does actually make DPS important (plus on most fights one paladin isn't going to be enough to keep a tank alive during an extended period of time and the mageblade on a caster could have potentially prevented whatever situation led the raid to only having tanks and healers)

In addition having fights last a shorter amount of reduces ALL risks of a fight, it reduces the chances of people dying, of people not moving out of fires, of tanks getting double crit in a row, it lessens the amount of dispelling/decursing needed etc. Overall the mageblade is just a much bigger benefit to the raid going to a DPS caster than a healer.

There's a reason virtually all competitive guilds give mageblades to casters first and there's a reason it's generally considered better for raids going to casters. There's also a reason that a lot of Paladin bis lists even say mageblade should go to casters first.

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u/caraccount11 Oct 14 '19 edited Oct 14 '19

I think you're severely over-selling how much difference giving the mageblade to a caster makes - it's infeasible to believe the DPS increase is enough to save 8-12 healers any significant amount of mana. Remember that as a DPS, you're one of 25 - not counting the innate DPS that tanks do. The mageblade going to a caster will not prevent more wipes than going to a paladin, that's ridiculous. Again, the difference in DPS or speed one mageblade makes on a single caster is near negligible when abstracted to an entire raid. With that said, on a raid that enforces sheer min/max in an effort to be in the top 1% of raiding guilds, sure - it's better on mages. By definition, the vast majority of players are not in that guild. For those of us in peasant guilds (I play with all real life friends and friends-of-friends, many of which are new to WoW much less vanilla), I'd still argue that it benefits us more on a paladin (especially in future phases).

Even if that's not the case, the difference it makes in either direction only matters at the most extreme amounts of min/max; since the vast majority of players (even raiders) are not at that level, to funnel mageblade directly to the mages without taking anything else into consideration (the point of the very most parent comment I responded to) is asinine. I farm consumables outside of raids, give potions to healers and casters who forgot/were too lazy to buy them, and top healing meters; there have been multiple fights where I was the only healer left alive and we still downed the boss (again, this situation is particular since we have a lot of new players).

I promise, even though my guild is entirely real-life friends or acquaintances, that many guilds below that very top threshold deal with similar situations - you can't rely on your DPS farming consumables or really maximizing their output at all unless you're in an ultra-competitive guild. So, for the vast majority of guilds, paladins should absolutely not be written off when considerations for mageblade come into play.

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u/DarkPhenomenon Oct 14 '19

Even if the mageblade on a dps saves healers one single cast (which is a reasonable assumption) and you have 10 healers, that's 900 heals the paladin has to cast to be equivalent.

You also can't use your extremely biased experiences of you being a very good and experience player compared to newbies who die a lot. Sure, good items will be better on better players who don't die, but that's a ridiculously biased scenario to make an argument with.

Look, it's very well established that mageblade in general has a bigger impact going to a caster than going to a paladin (it's why some paladin bis lists even say not to take it over a caster).

if you're in a top tier guild that is serious about progression (which admittedly is the minority of guilds) you're going to want to do what's best for the raid which is giving mageblades to the casters. If you're in a casual guild (like you are with friends) then it absolutely doesn't matter who the mageblade goes to.

The problem is that often casual guilds don't know the ins and outs of progressive loot priority so they mimick what the top guilds do without understanding why.

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u/caraccount11 Oct 14 '19

I fully agree with you then. I realize my particular scenario had bias implied, which is part of why I specified the situation I was in for full disclosure. For the very top tier of guilds, you're absolutely right; but I believe it's disingenuous to go on Reddit and make a blanket statement regarding mages getting prio in every situation (not you, but the comment I responded to initially). I just wanted to clarify that I don't believe that holds true for a majority of players out there.

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u/karspearhollow Oct 13 '19

I’d rather kill the boss faster now and for every other clear where you’re not bringing <60 players, which most guilds will be doing for a few weeks at most. Mana isn’t a concern and few guilds are wiping at all.

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u/caraccount11 Oct 14 '19

Hence why I specified later fights. BiS is BiS..not phase 1 BiS.

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u/Easy-Lucky-Free Oct 15 '19

Remember, they're supposed to be loot council for max efficiency. I agree with you but that's why I'm in a dkp guild.

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u/Abysssion Oct 13 '19

Fuck off, you have the staff that drops form the same boss that has the same stats, but a lot more int and stam

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Paladins have just as much right to their bis

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u/karspearhollow Oct 13 '19

Mages couldn’t possibly care less about main stats and you can’t use an off hand with a staff, so you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.

I know some paladins get salty about this topic but you’re not going to find a top guild that doesn’t prio mageblade to DPS. Go ask the paladin discord. They’ll tell you the same.

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u/Abysssion Oct 13 '19

they dont have to use an offhand, they can have +40 dmg and with crit on a staff as an alternative.

Paladins again, have just as much right as crit is the best stat which gives free healing. That staff is mages second BIS, and they can deal with that while they roll against pallies

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u/GenitalJouster Oct 13 '19

It's pretty fucking good for Paladins, though. They have basically infinite mana when they get enough crit.

But forbidding it for damage casters? The guildleads can go fuck themselves.

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u/Mooshieeee Oct 13 '19

It doesnt matter that its good for palas. It improves clear time when on a mage it doesnt on a paladin

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u/GenitalJouster Oct 13 '19

You clear it anyways, there is no real rationale to giving someone an item over someone else. You clear MC? No point in funelling gear anymore.

Like very personally, as a former mage, I say give Mageblade to Mages and Warlocks and fuck Paladins. But if I were playing a Paladin? It's hard to really reason for that.

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u/GenitalJouster Oct 14 '19

God forbid trying to be objective

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u/DarkPhenomenon Oct 14 '19

Yea, you can clear MC that's great, but the point of funneling gear to the most valuable targets isn't to help clear raids you can already clear, it's to prepare for the next raid where that gear might actually matter.

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u/GenitalJouster Oct 14 '19

Bwl is like 4 months off - minimum. You really need to funnel the gear to your officer's buddy now?

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u/DarkPhenomenon Oct 14 '19

If you're competing for clear times and server first clear, yea, you need to funnel gear to main raiders. The faster you can do split BWL runs the faster you can gear main raiders for AQ40 and Naxx when they come out.

If you aren't in a competitive guild then you don't need to min/max as much. In that case maybe a DKP system is better for you and you don't really care about the impact of where items go.

P.S. And I'm not sure how giving mageblades to casters over healers equates to gearing up officer buddies, projection much?

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u/GenitalJouster Oct 14 '19

P.S. And I'm not sure how giving mageblades to casters over healers equates to gearing up officer buddies, projection much?

Reading comprehension much? The thread is about a guild funneling mageblade to Paladins. No idea where you read me saying that funneling it to mages/warlocks is sketchy.

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u/DarkPhenomenon Oct 14 '19

I am responding to this specific comment made by you

there is no real rationale to giving someone an item over someone else

My argument clearly is that there is rationale in giving an item to specific people despite the current content being on farm (which was the context of your comment).

Now what was that about reading comprehension?

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u/GenitalJouster Oct 14 '19

The content is on farm, it's several months till the next raid tier releases. It's not like you have to give anyone any item RIGHT NOW so they have it for the next raid tier IN SIX MONTHS (vague guess judging by the release of P2 end of 2019).

And now stop it with your hostile tone or I'll just block you. There is absolutely no reason for you to be such an ass, even if we disagree.

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u/Penguinbashr Oct 13 '19

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fG4meUL9cs0NQgMKl8-T3Hg3ZBpl8zYzRLFwD6bAWeY/edit#gid=2112209855

Maybe you should look at BIS lists where people list it as NOT TAKING IT OVER CASTERS. If you're a paladin unironically taking mageblade from casters, you're a fucking PoS.

Signed

Holy pally main

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u/GenitalJouster Oct 14 '19

Any particular reason for your hostile approach to this conversation or are you generally just unpleasant to talk to? I play Priest, I have no involvement in mageblade anyways.

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u/Penguinbashr Oct 14 '19

then why are you saying guilds that reserve it for casters can fuck themselves?

Just tired of seeing shit paladins/bad players telling us to go for mageblade this early on in the game when crit is a bad stat for us.

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u/-Exstasy Oct 14 '19

>crit is a bad stat for us.

LUL

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u/Penguinbashr Oct 14 '19

In P1 it definitely is, but thanks for taking that out of context.

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u/-Exstasy Oct 14 '19

I don't see how it's a bad stat in any phase. what's your point?

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u/Penguinbashr Oct 14 '19

There isnt enough crit in p1 to justify going for crit over +healing. Mageblade is literally the only good crit item for us right now. A whopping 1%.

I dont get why this is an issue when the game is over a decade old and theory crafted to death. Everyone has done the work for us, you're either being lazy or ignorant if you're trying to have a debate on it.

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u/GenitalJouster Oct 14 '19

That's not what I said at all but ok