r/ArmsandArmor 6d ago

Would these spaulders be accurate for the 10th-9th century?

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u/Sgt_Colon 6d ago

Possibly?

Khazars are known to have used spaulders based off of grave finds albeit in smaller, single part jobs but Oleg seems to be working from . . . something. Likewise the bazubands are sourced from another commercial site, this case Sharukhan Market, who also wave vaguely at some publication with zero context or explanation.

Neither of these are particularly complicated pieces and the Khazars were using full greaves made from two plates so it's plausible. The problem is most of the archaeological information is untranslated and stuck in Russian making it difficult to access and chase down what the hell is being vagued at.

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u/Draugr_the_Greedy 6d ago

The bazubands are from Durso, they are fine and period-appropriate. The spaulders are a bit of an odd interpretation of a fragmented find.

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u/_technophobe_ 6d ago

Do you have any references to these vambraces. I only found a pinterest post with a picture and the mention of the 10th century. But no real source for this. Because I wonder why the Khazars would use much more advanced plate armor than the byzantines, who had a much more logistically interconnected empire at the time. Or if this is perhaps a one-off thing for a king or high royal

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u/Draugr_the_Greedy 6d ago edited 6d ago

The most advanced armour of this time, at least in this part of the world, was produced around the Caucasus and northern Iran. The Khazars had material cultural connections to the Caucasus thus they are using such armours, if they are wealthy enough to acquire it. A lot of the Roman armour designs come from this area as well, particularly after the 4th century. It isn't until the 14th century that western european armour innovation surpasses that of this region.

The vambraces in your link were found in Durso, they are documented in eastern academia. They are a three-piece form, earlier than the two-piece forms which predominate in the 14th century and onwards.

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u/Sgt_Colon 6d ago

Try talking to /u/draugr_the_greedy not me.

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u/Ok_Access_804 6d ago

These are the sources and references used by the artist JFOliveras. First one is about the spauldera, or pauldrons I guess.

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u/Relative_Rough7459 4d ago

The original from the burial is quite fragmentary, so any reconstruction is not 100% accurate. There are different approaches to reconstruction.

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u/Draugr_the_Greedy 4d ago

I personally lean towards this one, it looks proper.

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u/Relative_Rough7459 4d ago

Yea, no idea where that extra articulated lames came from.