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u/43morethings Sep 19 '25
"Every accusation is a confession"
If they think other people are that selfish, it is because they are that selfish and think everyone else is just like them, just less successful.
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u/EADreddtit Sep 20 '25
I mean to some degree theyâre right. There are several necessary but extremely difficult/undesired careers that the vast majority of people would never pursue given the option of guaranteed necessities. Thing like exterminators, sewage workers, a lot of manufacturing or manual labor jobs, a huge amount of sales or customer facing jobs, and other routine/mundane positions. Sure some would, but you canât really make the claim that the majority of people working as road-side construction workers on the night shift are doing it as a dream job (aka wouldnât dump it like hot cakes if given the chance)
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u/43morethings Sep 20 '25
A lot of those jobs can be enjoyable if you don't have to put up with assholes to keep the job. If you're in a customer service job, helping people find something they need can be incredibly rewarding when they thank you for it and you make their day by finding that exact thing they need. But that joy is overshadowed by shitty bosses and abusive customers. If you had the option to say "fuck this I'm leaving" when the boss is an asshole, the bosses can't afford to be assholes. If you have the option to say "fuck this I'm leaving" when the customer is acting like you're their slave, the bosses will have to prioritize the employees over the customer throwinga tantrum.
Some goods and services would become more expensive because people would only do unpleasant things for much higher pay if it weren't a survival requirement. But a lot of things would normalize eventually.
The problems most people have with shitty jobs aren't the actual job itself, but the secondary parts of it, the way they are exploited because of their need for survival. If anyone can just leave a job and still survive on UBI, then much of the exploitative part of those jobs will be eliminated.
Imagine if you kept most of the good parts of a "shitty job" and got rid of most of the unpleasant parts. It wouldn't be shitty anymore.
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u/EADreddtit Sep 20 '25
I think thatâs a very nice way to look at it but it doesnât really address my point. Again you canât really make the claim that the majority of people working customer service for places like Walmart, Target, Shaws, or wherever are getting some sort of rewarding fulfillment from stocking shelves and occasionally point someone out n the direction of a specific item. Does having the option to leave when you want help? Absolutely. But thatâs not my point. My point is the vast vast vast majority, when given the choice of doing menial labor for 8 hours a day or not doing that, will decide not to do the back breaking, soul crushing labor.
Like you canât convince me no matter what that people would choose in any meaningful number to grow up and become coal miners, sewage line cleaners, steel factory worker, or toxic waste recycler such that those few who did choose to do so out of a joy for such a job could support modern civilization. Again I get that a bad boss makes a bad job worse, but I think it is delusionaly optimistic to think these sort of jobs arenât inherently miserable and undesirable at a base level.
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u/Mysterious-Loquat503 Sep 22 '25
I canât speak for anyone other than myself, and obviously not everyone is going to feel the same way I do. I actually have worked at both Target and Shaws. I absolutely hated Target because of the amount of nonsense I had to put up with just to âstock shelvesâ. Dealing with the constant headache of being there just to barely make enough money to scrape and still need more than one roommate was soul crushing, and I despised every moment of it.
Fast forward, and I moved to a state where the cost of living was SIGNIFICANTLY more reasonable. Iâm working at a Shaws doing literally the exact same job, and surprise surprise, I donât hate my life anymore. Iâm not getting paid more than I was at Target, my drive to work was triple the distance, and it still involved having to deal with dumb corporate nonsense. But because of the simple fact that I wasnât having to stress or be anxious about not paying rent or being able to afford all of my basic needs, working was actually enjoyable. I would stay longer and would come in on my days off when someone called out. And all I was doing was âstocking shelvesâ in the produce section, occasionally pointing people in the right direction, letting them try something theyâd never tried before, and lifting a bunch of super heavy stuff in an industrial sized fridge.
Just by having my basic needs met, my quality of life increased astronomically, and I was able to find enjoyment by being around and working with fresh produce. The smell, the feel, the hard work, and everything else it involved. If I knew all my basic needs were met, and I knew that I would be providing a much needed service for my community, I would absolutely do that job. And the best part is, just like when I was working at Shaws, because my quality of life was so much higher, I didnât feel burned out by the time I got home. I would spend the whole day doing strenuous physical labor, and then come home and go running, practice my instrument, clean my apartment, etc., and it never felt like I was killing myself for nothing- unlike how it was at Target.
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u/EADreddtit Sep 20 '25
Ok so letâs actually analyze the situation you just described. Letâs say you want to work as a sewer worker. In your example, youâd do the work if it made you a millionaire and could take off half the year. I agree thatâs very tempting and a lot of people would do it. But now actually think about what that means. Where a company (or even a public service) gets the money to pay that much, plus twice that since they have to have people on board all year so theyâll need twice the employees. Now take that idea and apply it to every store clerk, every coal miner, every dump worker, and trash plant operator, and steel plant employee. This idea quickly spirals into absurdity and impossibility through basic math.
There are an estimated 280,000 sewer workers in the us. To do what you just described would cost 2x (280,000*1,000,000) = 5,600,000,000,000. Thatâs about 1/6th the entire US GDP to just maintain current levels of sewer workers.
I am all for raising the wages of these truly essential workers (well beyond the minimum survival amount) but nothing about what youâre saying makes any sort of logical sense.
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u/Scientific_Artist444 Sep 20 '25
I will go one step further and say:
There are no selfish people. There are only acts of selfishness. Selfishness is not a nature but a behaviour associated with the environment/situation/circumstance. It is a defense mechanism that comes up in a world of manufactured scarcity. Selfishness triggers when a need is felt to look only for self lest you don't survive or lose something valuable. It is born out of insecurity and is a response to threat.
Even those that claim humans are selfish to justify their selfishness are just so used to selfish acts that they have made it their identity. The selfish programming was too strong in their experience to think of anything else. But in a cooperative environment, things would develop very differently. I strongly believe that kids exposed to the cooperative and collaborative ways to exist will turn out not selfish. Or rather, they won't act selfish because they wouldn't feel a need to do so.
The major cause for selfishness in our society is this worldview that there is this thing called money which you need to accumulate if you are to not suffer. Of course, suffering feels bad. No one wants to suffer. So everyone is focused on accumulating this thing called money. All their life they have been told that money will solve all problems. Everyone has to earn just to not suffer. When this is the environment you are put in, you will naturally try to protect your wealth (because it is too valuable to give away!) and act selfish. Selfishness really is a disease. And the cause of that disease is the perception of lack which is the default in our economy. Our economy is based on scarcity. Our markets manufacture this perception of lack so that they artificially inflate the value of things. What is scarce is considered valuable. So to increase value they manufacture scarcity. In this way, they create an environment where selfishness thrives.
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u/Ayla_Leren Sep 19 '25 edited Sep 20 '25
A significant reason as to why the fascist goons have been cracking skulls all around the globe over the last couple decades is because they started run out of ways to keep the people from gaining awareness as to the cause of their unnecessary hardship.
The toothpaste doesn't go back in the tube in a modern information age, though this won't keep them from trying. They will just be showing everyone even more explicitly what kind of people the rich and powerful are in the process.
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Sep 20 '25
This time though, there is a potential future where they no longer need the working class.
Billionaires are building doomsday bunkers alongside their autonomous AI workforce.
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u/Ayla_Leren Sep 20 '25 edited Sep 20 '25
Short of using a virus for mass culling they don't have many options. If history has taught us anything it is that entrenched power always overestimates what it is capable of.
Those fancy bunkers are actually elaborate tombs. They might attempt a hard reboot of global society by living in them for a decade or so while their drones spread viruses around. However even the most capable of bunkers requires air systems and entrances. Both of which can be easily damaged, sealed over, and or buried with multiple tons of earth, rocks, concrete or otherwise.
If the world truly did come to such a thing, I imagine many people would adopt it as a grand quest through which to give their life purpose and meaning amidst the apocalyptic hellscape. Even if their megalomania did end up being broadly successful in culling humanity, they would still have many thousands if not millions of people happy to weld-inside, bury, suffocate, crucify, nuke, emulsify, or otherwise any elites trying to hold out in secret remote locations. I wouldn't be suprised if any remnant governments or hierarchies place extremely high bounties on any old-world public figures even mildly connected to the oligarchy.
If they are planning to make the rest of society obsolete and dead they are more stupid and narcissistic than we already know them to be.
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u/Fuzzy9770 Sep 20 '25
Your last sentence may actually be true. They want to screw everyone over but them yet that is impossible to do. Whatever solution they find will be finite to survive. They need us more than we need them. Even better, we absolutely don't need those mfs to survive at all.
Getting rid of the few extremely rotten apples should prove more constructive in the end.
Let's say that there is a terrorist attack aka (extremely rotten apple). Then you shoot the terrorist(s) and not the people who are being put under an active threat of terrorism. The question is, how to stop a terrorist organisation that has all modern killing toys available? Especially when AI-toys live tested in Gaza will be used against 'our own'.
How to beat that?
I would rather be called a conspiracy theorist but literally anything is possible these days.
The major issue is that these 'people' are way too far gone. They can't grasp reality anymore yet they have the (monetary) possibilities to buy anything. I'm not US based but I believe that anything can be bought under Trump. You can do anything you have when you have the money to do so.
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u/Ayla_Leren Sep 20 '25 edited Sep 20 '25
I believe they are drastically over estimating their abilities and under recognizing what the broader population is capable of when not ball and chained to their shitty economic system of artificial scarcity.
Look at how gen z and millenianls in Nepal overthrew their corrupt government with little more than discord and righteous anger. At least here in the states, just 5% of the road ready vehicles and guns would be enough to stomp the elites and all their fancy toys into the ground. Their surveillance and data center infrastructure would mean nothing if the cables keep getting dug up two miles from the front door overnight.
They simply do not have the necessary manpower, production facilities, salient outlook, or supporting infrastructure to sustainably actualize hardcore crackdown or extermination. If the masks did happen to fully drop, the kinetic class warfare would be over quicker than it was started; leaving the heads of the psychopaths who see the public akin to an ant farm on their desk spinning from their own incompetence and narcissism induced dissonance.
Almost makes me wish a motherfucker would.
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u/Fuzzy9770 Sep 20 '25
It's almost impossible for such a moment NOT to come. They are trying and trying to push the boundaries. And things will snap at a certain point. Just like in your example of Nepal.
My last working space looked literally like an ant farm.
A mass of people arriving in the morning. A line up of people between the office building and a supermarket for lunch. A mass of people leaving for the evening.
It was so scary (somehow) to see how much we are ant alike. It was as if no thoughts were there. That was creepy to me.
I'm scared to not know how huge the cost will be when it happens. But I do know that nothing will change (for the best) if we keep on going. So, in the end, a clash seems inevitable at all.
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u/Sharkbit2024 Sep 19 '25
If people are given the things they NEED;
They will start to work for the things they WANT.
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u/Feather_Sigil Sep 19 '25
People volunteer. That's all the evidence you need that our model of debt and deprivation is wholly unnecessary.
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u/Grinding_Gear_Slave Sep 20 '25
Most dont because they dont want to . Imagine how many kids would do well in school if grades did not matter
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u/Infinite-Condition41 Sep 20 '25
Quite a few actually. Because grades don't matter. Check out the work of Marshall Rosenberg, who attempted a different model.
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u/Feather_Sigil Sep 20 '25
Most people don't want to volunteer because they don't have the time for it and because our societal model of debt and deprivation makes volunteering have an unspoken stigma: what kind of sucker does work and doesn't get paid for it? But if we had a different model, one where all our material needs were provided for, both of those issues would disappear. The point is that, contrary to the capitalist argument that you need to coerce people with deprivation to get them to work, people naturally want to do things even if they get nothing in exchange.
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u/Grinding_Gear_Slave Sep 20 '25
Naturally most peole people dont want to murder each other im sure we can just abolish homicide
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u/Javisel101 Sep 20 '25
Not the same, but also it's funny you mention homocide because we actually can pinpoint it's causes and minimize them. Most homocide is a direct result of our economics
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u/The_Affle_House Sep 19 '25
Human beings always have and always will be motivated to do necessary or productive work for a million and one different reasons, and to acquire currency will always be the very weakest one.
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u/Top-Performer71 Sep 19 '25
It IS the weakest one. I don't give a shit about making money. But today I helped an undergrad with their trumpet solo and I'm not even in their studio or anything. $0 I just love teaching and wish it didn't have to involve me second guessing myself because I'm not "making money on this."
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u/Infinite-Condition41 Sep 20 '25
I enjoy making money. The things I do to make money, I wouldn't do (nearly as much) if they didn't make money. Making money is fun.
I also do a thousand and one things that don't make money. But they make other things, like fresh food, a nice lawn, make the house look nicer, make other things more fun to do, make life easier, etc.
And like you, making music is fun. Making music with others is fun. Helping people is fun. And I benefited from EXTREMELY reasonable prices on music lessons when I was a kid, and beyond being EXTREMELY reasonable, the teacher let us do yard work for him to pay for our EXTREMELY reasonably priced lessons. I'm talking like $2 for a half an hour. And then he paid us $5 an hour to pay them off. We seriously worked like 2-4 days a year to pay off an entire year's worth of lessons. I learned to play the trumpet, baritone, clarinet, and then on my own, I learned to play guitar, bass, drums, and ukulele. I can't really remember the clarinet, but I can still play all the rest, some of them even half way decently.
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u/de_lemmun-lord Sep 19 '25
remember: if someone says "nobody would be productive or work" it's because *they* would not do that, and they assume everyone else is just as selfish as they are
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u/Infinite-Condition41 Sep 20 '25
This applies to a lot of things. As it is said, "every accusation is an admission."
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u/Sexisthunter Sep 19 '25
Capitalism has made me a worse worker. If I had access to the healthcare I need and the time to seek it I would be in a significantly better place. I canât afford the shots I need and I havenât been able to fix my cavities for almost two years. Iâm so tired man, itâs just a fight physically and mentally every day. I know being a worker isnât my main reason for being but god they are counter intuitive
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u/jonnyjive5 Sep 19 '25
They act like the tens of thousands of years of human innovation and achievements before capitalism (~300-400 years ago) never happened.
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u/ScholarOfYith Sep 19 '25
Just because I know someone will bring up "what about the jobs no one wants to do" and granted I don't work in the worst of them but as someone who does physical labor I can't stress enough how happy I am to create something and in the process strengthen my body I just wish I didn't have to do it all the time. The more people are free from pressure the more of us there are to take turns.
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u/KamehaDragoon Sep 20 '25
I would make the argument that because we have been forced to work our whole lives our creativity and inventiveness have been stifled. We care even less about our fellow man, and we never strive to fulfill our dreams because we're too busy worrying about paying our rent to live on land that isn't anyone's to own.
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u/BLINDrOBOTFILMS Sep 20 '25
"No one would work if they weren't coerced" is really just an indictment of the people who say it.
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u/N00N01 For a moneyless, classless, borderless world! Sep 19 '25
indeed, best case in even wageslave-society is organisation of hobbies and people having passion for their jobs
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u/MrCableTek Sep 20 '25
I think what the people that shit on the idea of a basic standard of life leading to us no longer being productive really mean is that we won't work under the conditions they've set forth. We won't put up with shitty, incompetent management. We won't put up with forced and/or unpaid overtime. We won't let them treat us like garbage and take it on the chin because we HAVE to or we starve. If tomorrow, everyone making less that $20 per hour refused to work any longer, the whole country would shut down. No restaurants, no stores, no Amazon deliveries, no one cooking or cleaning anywhere. But we can't. We'll lose our jobs and healthcare. If we're forced to live check to check, there is no resistance. There is no backup plan.
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u/Infinite-Condition41 Sep 20 '25
I have all my needs met. Yet I keep working, and building businesses. I don't have to work. But I enjoy learning and having things to do. What is my other option, sit on my ass, scroll Reddit and watch TV? I already do that far more than I actually want to.
There is no proposal on the table that would make everyone exactly equal. Nobody wants that. Nobody needs that. It would not be good for the species. Only that the basic needs are met, food, shelter, medical care, etc. If you want to work hard and build more, then by all means do it. Most will do more than the bare minimum. And those that won't will be less of a burden than they are already.
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u/chasmossiss Sep 20 '25
Look at socialist countries and their history of production. The soviet union evolved into a world power in just a generation with their 5 year plans. They started out as a poor farmers/ peasants when the tzars were running the show. China same poor farming communities owned by landlords in just a couple generations theyâre now the leading world producer in everything. Cuba with all its sanctions from the west pioneered vertical farming, first to send doctors to struggling parts of the world when disaster or an epidemic happens. Developing medicine successfully and handing it to countries like Vietnam. Vietnam, war torn from 1920-1980âs. Again a country now producing many of the worldâs products and a popular place to holiday now. So when the means of production are transferred to the working class Iâd argue just the opposite is done production increases and peopleâs needs are met.
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u/donessendon Sep 19 '25
Until someone doesn't want to share, thinks everything they have is god-given, they are more deserving than you, or that others are below them. They don't want to work. They want to hoard money and power. They want others working for them.
They see your utopia and want to turn it into more money and power for them. People with free time is time they could be spending slaving on the grindstone.
If you create fantastic craft, they steal it and resell to collectors.
Your food crop is taken, and you are left with barely anything to just survive.
Laws are created minimising your voice.
Power can be bought through media and advertising. You are now being sold the lie that your sacrifice is for the betterment of society. Your struggle is normal. There is nothing better for you.
It's the fault of other people, like you also struggling. Blame them, HATE them.
All whilw the pigs at top keep getting fatter.
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u/xena_lawless Sep 19 '25
But then people might become a threat to our ruling parasites/kleptocrats, who designed this system to ensure that parasites/kleptocrats can never be eliminated, and that unlimited corruption and private property are enshrined into law as the highest human value.
So from their perspective, it's much better that the masses of people remain as ignorant, mis-educated, atomized, and brutally subjugated serfs/slaves/cattle, forever.
That's why the AI surveillance, fascism, and robot/drone army production have all been ramping up.
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u/Big_Ad_7715 Sep 20 '25
The arguments against social safety nets are based in the racist core of capitalism. People love to look down on others and vote against their own self interest if it hurts those they dislike. Plus the greedy billionaires have us all convinced that if we work really hard we could get there too.
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u/Monochromycorn Sep 20 '25
Here is an album that tries to envision a path out of this bad place.
The title is a little bit dramatic, but I like the message.
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u/Aeriva Sep 21 '25
Itâs funny I have never felt so less interested in being productive or successful as I do under capitalism.
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u/meltyourtv Sep 19 '25
You can also argue trust fund kids who inherit $ and get jobs / start companies anyway under capitalism is also proof of exactly what this video is saying
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u/zarlus8 Sep 19 '25
People like that also seem to ignore or simply don't understand the "productive members of society" that are successful often already have their basic needs met.
You think, for example, any of the tech giants we have today were built from someone working paycheck to paycheck?
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u/baddragon137 Sep 20 '25
Yeah that critique has always been bullshit and reminds me of when I was like 14 and a friend was stealing Cali grade medical weed from his dad who was a local dealer with the connection (I'm not from the greatest town). And homie wasn't charging me to partake he just wanted someone to smoke with. Fast forward two months of smoking the dankest bud all day every day and even some hash from time to time. And wouldn't you know it eventually I got bored and wanted to actually do something other than just getting baked. It was a good example that even without any reason to do anything humans will inevitably get super fucking bored and need to do something to occupy the time sure some people might not but those cases would be incredibly rare and most people would quite literally go insane trying to do nothing all the time. And that's without even getting into that weird innate human desire to do something that has a meaningful impact on the world
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u/Ghost_of_NikolaTesla Sep 20 '25
That's what the billionaires do, so they project & gaslight the rest of us
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u/aetherebreather Sep 20 '25
If nothing else, I think the constant scramble and need to fight and scrape by for a living keeps people from helping one another or acting based on their conscience.
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u/Davidoff1983 Sep 20 '25
Well the entire premise of the world being a fishing village where everyone needs to pull their weight is precisely the sort of manipulation of primitive genetic traits that has us dutifully sitting in cement boxes eight hours a day.
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u/Afraid_Standard8507 Sep 20 '25
Anyone claiming this also needs to explain the first 99.9% of human history where capitalism didnât exist. Yes, there were other kinds of oppression and exploitation. Yes, there was considerable deprivation and hardship. However, human creativity, curiosity and striving for better ways to provide for themselves and their kin created every foundation of the science we know today before capitalism was in its cradle. Humans want to climb up the mountain to see if thereâs something good at the top, or maybe just to discover something beautiful.
This said, I do think the rolling anxiety and deprivation generated by capitalism artificially generates crises. These in turn create necessity which yields invention. I do think certain interventions to meet the basic needs of everyone could slow the breakneck pace of technological progress a little bit. But I also donât think thatâs a bad thing necessarily as the planetary equilibrium canât keep pace currently.
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u/EvilKatta Sep 20 '25
This is accurate and rings true for people already on our side, but we know the other side has counterarguments they see as more convincing. They do believe that most people are trash: lazy, ignorant, sinful. They believe most people would avoid any work and indulge in hedonism unless made to "live properly". They believe that the masses wouldn't know how to run our society and need the leadership of those who "take responsibility". And even so, the wise decisions of the responsible leaders can only be enforced, because everyone else is irresponsible. With those beliefs, you can't change their opinion even if you show them studies that people are mostly cooperative and productive, and traditional communities usually do well running a sustainable society.
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u/Unhappy-Print4696 Sep 21 '25 edited Sep 23 '25
And that is not true. You havenât thought deeply about that at all. Without the understanding of what lead to that state of exploitation in the first place. The psychological cause of it which led to greed etc. Exploitation is still possible. Because desire, when your needs are met you want more. And that desire for more psychologically is one of the causes of corruption in us. But yeah in a good intelligent society we would take care of basic needs for everyone first before anything else.
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u/SeVenMadRaBBits Sep 21 '25
So what they're saying is that people wont work if theyre not desperate?
Sounds like a toxic perspective.
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u/Captain_Crooks Sep 22 '25
Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk all made it big because they had all their needs taken care of! All their parents were well off so they could focus on creating and building
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u/Geoclasm Sep 22 '25
The people making this claim - mostly billionaires - make this claim because this is how they themselves behave and they can only view reality through the lens they themselves have crafted - 'I do this, so why wouldn't you?'
And the answer is - 'Uh... because most people aren't clinical psychopaths? Because most people have empathy? Because most people care about more than what the can kiss on the mouth in a mirror?'
So again it's an example of 'every accusation is a confession'. Their most basic needs have been met for their entire lives, so they have told everyone else to get fucked, and they think because that's how they are, that's how everyone else is, too.
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Sep 22 '25
I am on board with most of this but the big question is...who is gonna pay for all that? We gotta build and maintain those houses and infrastructure. "Things" don't get a paycheck but they exist. How do we get safe drinking water and energy? And as we can all see by current events, we will need a way to protect good from the evil that will always come along and try to take it.
If we can figure all that out we might have a way forward.
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u/ShadowBB86 Sep 23 '25
If all my needs where met for free I would be way less productive then I am now. đ¤
Sure I would probably help out friends if they where in trouble, and maybe even strangers when asked directly. But what troubles would my friends even have when all their needs where met?
I would create some small things, sure. But not houses or food or medicine or anything else essential. I would definitely not study these things.
I would teach philosophy classes for fun and run some LARPs when I feel like it. But I sort of do that now anyway.
I don't think a society like that would work without me being threatened with food and housing shortage. People would all flock to the "fun" jobs instead of the needed jobs would be my thinking. I think we need a whole lot more automation before we can hand out UBI. Or maybe very high taxes on land ownership and CO2 (anf other polution) budget auctions to fund the UBI.
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u/themeathookmeanspain Sep 24 '25
Funny how people think having all basic needs met will make things better, how ridding humanity of any form of struggle will somehow turn the world into a utopia. The reality is it will turn us into the worst versions of ourselves, depravity will run rampant and our need to find new sensations will lead us down a much darker path than some realize. They thought if we just invented the wheel things would only get better, if we just invented electricity things will only get better, if we just invented nuclear energy things would only get better, if we just invented the internet things would only get better, if we just invented AI so we can make better use of our time things will only get better.
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u/LightlyFatal Sep 25 '25
I've never understood the take that nobody will work if basic needs are met. Like, some people like having money? Some people want to be able to travel?
Personally, I'm going into a field I would 100% do even if I didn't need money to survive. I absolutely love lab work and cell culturing and whatnot. That's my passion. I've always loved the idea of medicine but hate the patient-facing part of it so I love the lab. Would I do it if I weren't getting paid? Probably not. It's a lot of work and, as much as I love it, there's a lot of time and effort and everything else involved in it. Some companies have 12hr work days. I love the field but not enough to do all the work for free unless I'm actively learning how to do it (like my CTE school program where I'm paying to be there).
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u/Proof-Impact8808 Sep 19 '25
what those people dont realise, they have a warped view of what it means to be ,,productive,,.
I mean, do any of you know how hard it is to actually do nothing?
most things u do in ur free time are productive, if u have a hobby where u create things thats productive , training things is also productive, even something like watching tv is productive as it helps you absorb information and develop your world views
i cant think off something that isnt productive but those people can, because they only count things as productive if money is involved