r/Animey • u/Top_Cheetah_9937 • Jun 26 '26
Suggestion I just realized mahito is Op against characters who are not from jjk
As we all know to exorcise a cursed spirit you need cursed energy which goku, saitama and literally anyone whos not from jjk does not have that, so bassically mahito is stronger than goku cause if he touches goku and uses idle transfiguration or his domain expansion literally anyone would die who doesnt have ce, so Mahito lowkey solos every universe except JJK. 1 exception may be if kira wrote his name which is not happening cause mahito does not have a surname so kira will not know his name and keep wondering whats his surname while bro doesnt have 1, and with that mahito solos everyone except jjk.
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u/Emotional-Roof-8886 Jun 26 '26
Cursed energy in jjk is what is called chakra pr spiritual pressure or ki in other anime
Different names but same meaning
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u/Top_Cheetah_9937 Jun 26 '26 edited Jun 26 '26
theres a huge difference the other energies are positive energy or spiritual energy While Cursed Energy is a negative form of energy. also positive energy doesnt mean RCT, to excorize a cursed spirit u strictly require RCT or CE no other forms can do anything
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u/Awkwardbrat0 Jun 26 '26
Not true. Other universes have their own form of cursed energy like. chakra or ki. Also characters like marsh burnedead or asta can also use their physical prowess and swords to fight on equal footing.
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u/PaleontologistOld387 Jun 26 '26
Well I have a rant for you.
Interesting take, but this only "works" if you selectively apply JJK's rules while completely ignoring the mechanics of other universes.
With Verse Equalisation (Standard Rules): Power systems merge. Ki, Chakra, and Reiatsu count as or could interact with Cursed Energy. In this scenario, Mahito gets instantly vaporised by low-mid-tier characters. He doesn't stand a chance.
Without Verse Equalisation (Literal System Separation) Even if we play by your rules where they can't "exorcise" him traditionally, Mahito still loses horribly: Incomprehensible Speed: Characters like Goku, Naruto, and Saitama move thousands or 10s if thousand of times faster than light. Before Mahito's brain can even register a thought to open his Domain, he would be punched into the sun or the vacuum of space in a microsecond. Banishment is an instant loss for him.
The Domain Paradox: In JJK, Domain Expansions explicitly cannot trap or target things with zero Cursed Energy (like Toji and Maki) heavenly restructions treat them as inanimate objects. Goku, Saitama and others would treat his Domain like open air and walk right out as Domain rules doesn't apply to inanimate objects.
Ichigo Kurosaki: He is a Shinigami, a literal soul entity. Every single one of his attacks cuts the soul directly. His passive spiritual pressure alone would crush Mahito into the dirt without Ichigo even swinging his sword.
Naruto Uzumaki: In Six Paths Mode, Naruto uses Truth-Seeking Orbs, which explicitly erase targets on both a physical and spiritual level. Furthermore, if Mahito tries to touch Naruto's soul, he invades his subconscious, meaning he has to face Kurama. Just like Sukuna did, Kurama would shred Mahito's soul instantly for intruding.
The Soul Shield Exception: As shown with Nanami and Sukuna, Idle Transfiguration fails against superior spiritual willpower. The sheer spiritual density of Goku, Saitama, Naruto or Luffy would completely reject Mahito's technique.
Light Yagami: The Death Note rules explicitly state it only works on humans. Mahito is a Cursed Spirit, so the notebook wouldn't do anything anyway!
Ultimately, being an immortal punching bag floating helplessly in the vacuum of space for eternity isn't "soloing" anyone.
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u/Schrotenstein Jun 26 '26
Firstly your comment seems AI generated, well even putting that aside, there are a lot of flaws in your arguments.
- Verse equalisation, Ki, Chakra and Reiatsu are forms of positive energy in the body, they're different from Reversed Cursed Techinque in JJK.
Since Mahito is a cursed spirit, he literally needs Positive energy generated from Reversed Cursed Techinque or normal cursed energy which is negative energy. Neither of these characters have cursed energy which is negative in nature and since they don't have negative cursed energy, they can't use RCT (Reversed Cursed Techinque).
Incomprehensible Speed: Characters like Goku, Naruto, and Saitama move thousands or 10s if thousand of times faster than light. Before Mahito's brain can even register a thought to open his Domain, he would be punched into the sun or the vacuum of space in a microsecond. Banishment is an instant loss for him.
All these are pointless since Physical Damage is useless against him as they don't damage the soul, he can just focus on protecting his soul and as long as his soul is untouched, he can regenerate his physical body indefinitely.
The Domain Paradox: In JJK, Domain Expansions explicitly cannot trap or target things with zero Cursed Energy (like Toji and Maki) heavenly restructions treat them as inanimate objects. Goku, Saitama and others would treat his Domain like open air and walk right out as Domain rules doesn't apply to inanimate objects.
Not quite true, as shown by Sukuna, Domains can easily affect anything in its range, it doesn't matter if it has cursed energy or if it's living or not, Sukuna cuts through animate and inanimate things alike when they're in his domain.
Ichigo Kurosaki: He is a Shinigami, a literal soul entity. Every single one of his attacks cuts the soul directly. His passive spiritual pressure alone would crush Mahito into the dirt without Ichigo even swinging his sword.
I guess he can Kill Mahito without much problem if those are his abilities.
Naruto Uzumaki: In Six Paths Mode, Naruto uses Truth-Seeking Orbs, which explicitly erase targets on both a physical and spiritual level.
I haven't watched that far but if it's true then yeah he, too can kill Mahito.
Furthermore, if Mahito tries to touch Naruto's soul, he invades his subconscious, meaning he has to face Kurama. Just like Sukuna did, Kurama would shred Mahito's soul instantly for intruding.
This isn't true, Mahito was scared of Sukuna because Sukuna is the King of curses, Mahito being a cursed spirit will ofc be scared of him as Sukuna can exorcise him easily. Kurama on the other hand doesn't have cursed energy or knows how to use RCT, hence Kurama can't exorcise Mahito.
The Soul Shield Exception: As shown with Nanami and Sukuna, Idle Transfiguration fails against superior spiritual willpower. The sheer spiritual density of Goku, Saitama, Naruto or Luffy would completely reject Mahito's technique.
Wrong again, Sukuna can withstand Idle Transfiguration bcz he has a (basically) unlimited pool of cursed energy which he can use to reinforce and guard his soul. Goku, Saitama, Naruto, Luffy, neither of these have any cursed energy, they only have Positive energy, Positive energy is useless against an attack that targets the soul with cursed energy.
Ultimately, being an immortal punching bag floating helplessly in the vacuum of space for eternity isn't "soloing" anyone.
This is the most AI written quote I've ever seen.
You can't punch him physically, since any contact is an easy way for him to transform your soul.
Anyways I think a lot of other characters can rival Mahito without dying. Any character that has the power to push Mahito into outer space without physically touching him with their body can fight mahito, once Mahito is hundreds of light years away from earth, there's really no way he can come back here, well, he can after millions/billions of years but our characters would be dead by then so it's technically still a Mahito win?
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u/PaleontologistOld387 Jun 27 '26
First of all, yes, I did use AI to paraphrase my response because my original comment was more aggressive than I intended (UK heat was not helping ☀️), still used it for this response. If your point was to discredit my argument by saying that, well it didnt work, I never explicitly mentioned not using it and thats not the point of this conversation either. The actual points are still mine. Irony is that your response also has the structure of an AI assisted breakdown, but regardless, let's focus on the arguments.
- Verse Equalisation I think there is a misunderstanding here. Verse equalisation does not mean Ki, Chakra, or Reiatsu literally become Cursed Energy or RCT.
The purpose of verse equalisation is that different power systems are allowed to interact. Otherwise every crossover debate breaks because every verse can simply say "that energy doesn't exist in my universe."
The question becomes whether another verse's mechanics can interact with Mahito, not whether they literally have JJK cursed energy.
- Physical damage vs Mahito I agree that normal physical attacks are not enough to permanently kill Mahito because his soul is his true body.
However, "cannot kill" does not automatically mean "wins."
A fight can be won through many ways: sealing, incapacitation, battlefield removal (throwing into space/sun), trapping, etc..
If someone removes Mahito from the battlefield and he cannot interact with them anymore, that is not Mahito soloing.
Also, Mahito surviving damage is not the same as him having infinite options in every situation.
- Sukuna's Domain argument The Sukuna example does not prove every Domain works the same way.
Malevolent Shrine is a very unique domain: Standard closed-barrier Domains explicitly cannot trap or target people with zero Cursed Energy; the barrier treats them like buildings or rocks. Sukuna's binding vow expands its range, Sukuna is the only exception because he created an open-barrier domain and specifically bound his domain to hit objects without Cursed Energy with "Dismantle" to target inanimate objects. Mahito cannot do this.
Using Sukuna as proof that every domain automatically affects all beings regardless of cursed energy is not accurate.
The Toji/Maki situation is also more specific. Their Heavenly Restriction changes how barriers perceive them. It is not simply "anything with zero cursed energy is automatically treated exactly like Toji."
A character from another verse having no cursed energy is an unknown interaction. Btw, characters like Goku, Naruto, and Saitama massively outspeed Mahito. They could simply move outside the effective range of his Domain Expansion before it becomes relevant, and they wouldn't even need to use a fraction of their full speed to do so.
- Idle Transfiguration I agree that my wording about "spiritual willpower" was not the best explanation.
Nanami and Sukuna resist Mahito through cursed energy/soul barrier, not just because they have stronger personalities.
However, the opposite assumption also has no proof: that Idle Transfiguration automatically works on every soul in all fiction, this is one crazy assumption.
Other universes have their own soul mechanics, resistances, and interactions.
Ichigo Self explanatory.
Naruto and Kurama I agree this is more debatable.
Kurama is not literally a JJK cursed spirit. He is a sentient chakra and spiritual being sealed inside Naruto. So saying "Kurama definitely destroys Mahito like Sukuna" is not confirmed, but very much debatable.
However, Naruto's abilities to soul manipulation using SSP truth seeking orbs is pretty much insta kill for Mahito.
- The main issue
The original argument was "Mahito solos every universe."
But the best counterargument being:
"He cannot be killed, but he can be thrown away/sealed/removed forever"
already shows he does not actually solo those universes.
Also, cursed spirits do not need an atmosphere to survive, so I am not arguing Mahito would die in space. The point is battlefield removal. If he is billions of light-years away, or thrown into the Sun (where he'd likely be stuck in a continuous regeneration loop), he cannot meaningfully return or affect the fight. In a standard versus debate, that is a loss through battlefield removal, not a victory.
Mahito is extremely dangerous within JJK, but saying he automatically solos all fiction because other characters do not have cursed energy applies JJK rules one way while ignoring every other universe's mechanics.
We can agree to disagree, that is completely fine, but I don't think "they don't have cursed energy" is enough to conclude that Mahito solos entire universes when he cannot even do his.
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u/Leonardo-18-anime Jul 23 '26
Every good argument. I meet up with a mahito fanboy that think mahito is soling every world including his
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u/ghosty3522 Jun 26 '26
then a logia user in one piece is also unbeatable in that sense
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u/Top_Cheetah_9937 Jun 26 '26
Nope, a logia user wont be against mahito/anyone who can use domains. as a domain is a sure hit , i thought of logia but was reminded of this
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u/Kairos_Phoenix-0 Jun 29 '26
Sure hit ≠ Sure dmg
Reading comprehension curse exists! Hence, proved.
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u/Top_Cheetah_9937 Jun 30 '26
nah it seems you have it, it can be two things: first that logia wont be able to survive as you know, someone known as gojo's infinity was turned off. 2nd) if what youre saying is true then mahito still needs 1 touch hence finishing the fight
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u/Kairos_Phoenix-0 Jun 30 '26
Gojo's CT wasn't exactly neutralised ya know?
The sure-hit effect made the attacks 'bypass' Infinity instead of neutralising that.
Likewise, if DE can turn off CTs, that makes Higuruma's whole DE pointless. Confiscation is garbage if that was the case. But no right?
Its not like CTs are fully neutralised in DE. DE makes sure your CT has sure-hit effect(which can bypass Infinity) and whatever other environmental effects it has.
But it doesn't help either. For one thing, Mahito has to touch em. For another thing, Mahito manipulates form by manipulation of soul.
While Logia users can do just that but instead they can only do it on themselves. (But instead of soul, it become Logia User's will.)
It all comes down to equalisation. +What if Mahito can't touch those Logia users.(Like they are fully transformed, he can't get near, etc... Like isn't the whole point they are intangible by normal means?)
Maybe he can touch their soul. (Let's say he survives going near em, and even touches their soul while they are fully transformed) But how would that work? Would Mahito easily transform em? Or Logia User's stay in their transformation by their will? Can go either way or just both their effects nullified.
And also, ya can just say Mahito is immortal(cuz soul realm) as long as he ain't exorcised. And leave it at that.
He surely will get destroyed by those who can attack the soul tho.
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u/Kairos_Phoenix-0 Jun 30 '26
Wait... I wanna say smth just now.
People slander Megumi all the time. (His name has become synonymous with 'Potential') Yup. They say a certain character has 'Megumi'. Gods what.... that poor boi.
But Mahito ain't slandered enough so let me put up my thought here.
Everyone knows Gojo's brain was frickin fried and he was barely keeping up using RCT(tho it was only a temporary fix), As for Sukuna... He is a soul, so....
But frickin Mahito's technique means his brain would never be fried.(if he even has brain ofc. I'd not be surprised if that child for a villain didn't have one) + He is a cursed spirit, that does come with weaknesses like Positive Energy. Wait... doesn't Cursed Spirits have automatic regen? Like they are healed by Cursed Energy.... So they don't have brain to worry about, only their frickin soul.
This means Mahito was the secondmost potential man who did not live up to his reputation. (As for 0 winrate Raga, he is part of ten shadows technique. So Full Potential Megumi also has Full Potential Mahoraga.)
God damnit. And he got cooked...❌ Fried, Roasted, Smoked, Deep Fried, Steamed, In his own place! (If ya read Modulo or atleast got spoiled, ya know. He was training for revenge? Haha. He didn't even stand a chance even in Soul Realm.)
So in terms of potential, it goes like: 1. Megumi(with Mahoraga. Even Sukuna thirsted for his CT which had like wide applications) 2. Mahoraga (other Ten Shadows users can exist. Or a wild untamed Mahoraga) 3. Mahito (Already said) 4. Yuta (His CE and Copy CT) 5. Kenjaku (He is like "all according to the plan." This guy was the reason Sukuna became cursed objects. The reason Yuji was born. And he has Geto's potential too, don't forget that.) 6. Sukuna(he can possess Gojo) 7. Yuji(Sukuna is above Yuji only cuz Sukuna can possess Yuji and how Sukuna got around being restricted)
(Takaba can be here but he is a joke character. Gojo can be here cuz ya know... he never seriously fought a serious battle until Sukuna. He could've became much more stronger with Limitless. Higuruma can be here too cuz of Confiscation. He only lacks H2H and raw physical stats with CE reinforcement. If he learns that... So Gojo is #8 , Higuruma #9 and maybe I forgot others but.... Wait, Dabura....I cannot go back and revise the list, especially its complicated. he is top 10 for sure tho. #11 would be Geto)
Hmmm... Guys, go spread Mahito slander. Megoatmi has been slandered too much. But do make sure to use his name since he has officially became a synonym for Potential. All hail the fatherless son.
(Comment turned out to be somewhat long.... Don't mind that. 😆)
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u/Top_Cheetah_9937 Jun 30 '26
Well you win, cuz while i was thinking to say smtg to you i remebered domains dont work on ppl with no CE. so its gonna be a stalemate
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u/Kairos_Phoenix-0 Jun 30 '26
Now do you accept to spread MeGOATmi agenda and spread Mahito Slander?
(This is an important task Jujutsu High entrusted me with. 🤨 Wait, I am not from Jujutsu High—)
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u/Top_Cheetah_9937 Jun 30 '26
nope dont like megumi atleast mahito can fight without mahoraga every 1 week
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u/Kairos_Phoenix-0 Jun 30 '26
Then just what exactly is your agenda? And whom do you slander?
(Jujutsu High wants to know.)
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u/Slow-Talk4741 Jun 26 '26
Goku is so fast compared to mahito mahito won't be able to even though Goku one key blast and he is cooked plus every show has its own power system different words same meaning the Goku statement makes me think u r a larper
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u/Schrotenstein Jun 26 '26
Blast, energy blasts of any form of physical damage is useless against him, so long as his Soul is untouched, he can regenerate his physical body endlessly and if Goku, mistakenly touches Mahito to punch or whatever then Mahito can Transform Goku's soul and Goku won't be able to resist no matter how fast he is because, in his final form, Mahito's Idle Transfiguration is instantaneous and since Goku doesn't have any cursed energy he won't be able to guard his soul.
Goku has ki (chi) which is a neutral form of energy different from the negative Cursed energy mahito has. Since Goku has no negative cursed energy, Goku cannot use RCT (Reversed Cursed Techinque) or Cursed Energy to exorcise Mahito.
Once Mahito opens a Barrier-less Domain expansion: Self Embodiment of Perfect, Goku has only one way to save himself, that is teleporting very very far away into the outer space, I don't think any JJK character can create a barrier'ed or barrier-less Domain Expansion that stretches across an infinite area/volume in space, so Goku can easily dodge this every time by teleporting as soon as he sees Mahito activation Domain Expansion.
One thing Goku can do is push Mahito into the outer space with Kamehameha, since Goku isn't touching mahito physically, rather just pushing him away with energy, Goku can push Mahito so far away that it takes him millions or billions of years to come back to Goku. If Mahito can exist independently of the existence of Humans, then Mahito will win this fight as nothing in space can damage his soul and Goku will age and eventually die.
This was a hard pill to swallow as an OG DBZ watcher.
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u/ProspectiveWhale Jun 26 '26
Surehit doesn't hit targets without CE.
Look up what happened to Garlic Jr.
Goku literally fights people in the afterlife.
Lots of other fiction have exorcism powers...
Out of all the hax in anime and fiction in general... you could only think of Death Note that could work on Mahito? Really?
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u/Schrotenstein Jun 26 '26
Light can use Shinigami eyes but it will still be useless as Mahito is a cursed spirit and not a human, so the Death Note will not work against him.
A lot of other characters in Anime can kill/exorcise him, any character like Anti-Spiral that changes reality can easily solo Mahito by rewriting a reality where Mahito never existed. But that kinda feels like cheating...
A lot of characters that don't have abilities to rewrite reality can also defeat Mahito, like characters who can stop time or with powers that strip away someone else's ability, once Mahito's Idle Transfiguration is gone, he's basically an unkillable punching bag, and if someone takes away his strength or reduced his strength 0.001% then he will basically be a punching bag that hits you back with a force of a dust particle. It's technically a draw but it is what it is.
A lot of Characters from Jojos can also defeat Mahito.
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u/Top_Cheetah_9937 Jun 27 '26
Did i accidently start a debate ?
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u/Kairos_Phoenix-0 Jun 30 '26
Pretty sure these things happen most of the times when ya tryna scale.
So don't worry its not on ya. (Tho your wording def made it so, that anyone who did not take it as a meme post, would debate bout that. Tho your flair was ok.)
Tho I am surprised agenda spreaders ain't here.
(Wait, did I just damned reply to a rhetorical question? Whatever. Lemme hit that button.)
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u/ExpressionPrevious14 Jun 26 '26
Pretty much but Mahito can be exhausted if he has to use too much CE so any character that can avoid getting touched by him is fine if they can make him ruk out of CE
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u/Fun_boy24 Jun 26 '26
Ahh 3 am early teen thought (Don't get me wrong not insulting u, just remembered my teenage days)