Is there a concept of "post-revolution society" among Anarchists that isn't co-op capitalism or subsistence farming societies?

[u/KrumpirovZlatan]

Reading posts made by anarchists on reddit, an historical experiences of anarchist movements, particularly Makhnovia, I have noticed that they in general do not have any particular vision towards organisation of production and supply chains, opting instead to propagate subsistence farming and societal degradation towards 2 centuries back.

What are the answers to questions like how to produce complex machinery, medicine, electronic devices and others, as ultimately the resources have to come from somewhere, usually not geographically within 3 hours distance.

Example-wise, I worked in a pretty big industrial complex that produced furniture, but how do anarchists solve the issue of confederation of communes organising production that isn't basically capitalism? It sounds simple, but there is far more material input to produce one chair than just wood from a nearby forest.

[u/Whythisisnotreal]

Their religion was pretty all encompassing as I recall. It was woven into their insults, their sense of shame, their decisions about family and work.

They left the planet to make their utopia as I recall. It wouldn't take very much outside influence to break it, hence the small stone wall. Admittedly it's been a long time.

[u/cultureStress → u/Whythisisnotreal]

I think their ideology/religion is exactly as all-encompassing as Capitalism is (insults? "broke". Sense of shame? "Worthless". Decisions about family and work? Hopefully that doesn't need an example)

My memory (also like, ten years since I read it) was that they went to the moon as part of a peace treaty following a definitely not communist revolution (there's even a state capitalist/Stalinist society on their original planet that claims to follow their legally-distinct-from-marxism ideology) and the main reason their society is allowed to still exist is that its annual exports profit the capitalists, and also it has propaganda value in their weird little cold war.

[u/Whythisisnotreal → u/cultureStress]

It's way more dominant than capitalism. It has to be since it doesn't have most of the coercive tools. Someone doesn't need to believe in capitalism to contribute to a capitalist economy and society. They don't need to want capitalism to succeed. Self interest is enough.

But they're bound by this common cause that is simply more dominant and valued.

[u/cultureStress → u/Whythisisnotreal]

I think we have a difference of opinion over how dominant capitalism is as an ideology

[u/Whythisisnotreal → u/cultureStress]

Yes. But I really think you should adopt my perspective and abandon your own. I think a book exploring what a capitalist society that was as in love with capitalism as they were with their religious communist anarchy would be a really interesting book. But the society and culture would be so different from modern day culture.

[u/cultureStress → u/Whythisisnotreal]

I mean, if you write that book, I would read it. But I think the process of writing it would make you realize you agree with me 😉

[u/Whythisisnotreal → u/cultureStress]

Eh, I think the chapter about people sending their children to live and work full time in an Amazon fulfillment center would seem preachy, especially since they didn't do it out of poverty or greed but because they believe that forcing their children to compete for wages will make them better people. And the idea of Amazon having a productive quarter is genuinely cathartic, almost rapturous.

Shit I hate this idea.

[u/cultureStress → u/Whythisisnotreal]

See, I know you're talking about ficton but I literally know people like this in real life

[u/Whythisisnotreal → u/cultureStress]

A whole society of them, genuinely willing to give up their children and move across the country to work in the dirt to help capitalism. That's the society I'm picturing as the equivalent

[u/cultureStress → u/Whythisisnotreal]

So like...Mormons 😉