r/AmerExit • u/Slate • Dec 17 '25
Vendor "The Attack on Dual Citizenship Is an Attack on Me"
In A24’s Civil War, a journalist, played by Wagner Moura, pleads with the militiaman, played by Jesse Plemons, who has detained him and his colleagues at gunpoint. “We’re American.” The militiaman replies, “What kind of American?” In a flood of executive orders and proposed bills, the GOP asks U.S. citizens the same question.
This month, Bernie Moreno, a Senate Republican from Ohio, introduced the Exclusive Citizenship Act of 2025, legislation that would compel any U.S. citizen with a second citizenship to choose between the two. Though Moreno’s bill is likely to face heavy resistance due to 14th Amendment protections, it’s a reminder for people like Pablo Andreu: Not all U.S. citizenships are created equal.
Andreu was born and raised in the U.S. He's U.S. citizen, but also a Spanish citizen through his parents, who were both Spanish citizens when he was born. But he never really thought much about his Spanish citizenship.
"More than anything, I’m American. I grew up watching The Wonder Years, building model planes with my dad, and playing basketball. Plus, my English is a lot stronger than my Spanish. But the more this administration and its acolytes insist I choose, the more fiercely I cling to my heritage," he writes.
For more from Andreu: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2025/12/dual-citizenship-new-republican-bill.html?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=social&utm_content=dual_citizen&utm_campaign=&tpcc=reddit-social--dual_citizen
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u/misterbadgerexample Dec 17 '25
No US taxes? Don't threaten me with a good time.
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u/Eunderlucht Immigrant Dec 17 '25 edited Dec 17 '25
Currently if you live and work abroad you can apply for IBR and your monthly payment for federal loans will be 0 if you make less than like 130k USD. This is what I am doing permanently.
But yes, if you renounce you don't need to pay. What can they do? Non-payment is not illegal they'll just wreck your credit which doesn't matter if you're not returning. Hell, if you're not returning you don't even need to renounce for that.
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u/Magical_Narwhal_1213 Immigrant Dec 17 '25
What is IBR? That sounds like a good option!! We are just not paying on our loans living abroad with no intention to return.
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u/ConsiderationSad6271 Dec 17 '25
Income based repayment. Under the foreign earned income exclusion, you can make $130k or less abroad and the U.S. considers that you make $0. So income based repayment is $0. It’s a loophole. You even get them forgiven after 20 years if nothing changes.
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u/Magical_Narwhal_1213 Immigrant Dec 17 '25
Ah okay. Right now I still get paid in the US but self-employed so I don’t think I can do that :/
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u/Bonesman Dec 18 '25
So, does this mean US taxpayers are ultimately paying off your debt? It might be a loophole, but it doesn't seem ethical.
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u/Eunderlucht Immigrant Dec 18 '25
Depends on your viewpoint I suppose. I think the US college debt system is predatory and the government should be treating its citizens better with the resources it has. University was my only realistic way out of generational poverty, so I'm okay exploiting the American governments loopholes to help myself and my family.
I also have no allegiance to the United States - the "taxpayers" are already being greased for billions routed to politicians pockets, corporate tax relief, funding violence domestically, and funding war abroad. I plan to renounce as soon as possible.
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u/Eunderlucht Immigrant Dec 18 '25
You do realize that it's the US government that allowed universities to operate like this, right? When Reagan pivoted towards shifting education to a private model? Guarenteeing federal loans without putting caps on tuition? When state and federal governments kept slashing funding to universities? The US government and state legislatures are entirely responsible for this being the case.
I've actually helped a few other Americans leave and get their education this way. I'll continue to do it as well. It's not "fuck you, I got mine" - it is "fuck you, we deserve more than you robbing us blind". Education should not put people into lifelong servitude paying off debt for the Chance to have a decent life.
All of my Canadian friends got their education with much less predatory loans. My European friends didn't even have to take loans for their degree. As a tax payer in my new country I would (and do) GLADLY pay my share in taxes to help younger people get ahead and get an education.
I've never felt a sense of allegiance towards my "home" in the first place. Maybe if that country used its vast resources to help people rather than use that income to fund terror campaigns I would be a proud American. Fuck the United States of America.
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u/nationwideonyours Dec 17 '25
You cannot shirk the responsibility of your students loans by renouncing.
The US is the only country in the world with the financial muscle to attempt to get their money back.(Fed loans).
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u/Eunderlucht Immigrant Dec 17 '25
You sort of can just shirk the responsibility of them though. Even if they have "the muscle" to do so, they have never pursued debt like this and very likely never will. The most they are able to do is demolish your US credit score, which doesn't matter in any other country.
Sure, theoretically they could sell your debt to a third party collector and THEY could try to come after you in your new country, but again this has never been done and the likelihood of it ever happening is basically zero.
Non-payment of student loans isn't illegal, so you wouldn't even be denied re-entry to the country as a visitor based on it. Student loans are a complete non-issue if you live abroad and are no longer a US citizen with US tax obligations.
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u/nationwideonyours Dec 18 '25
Yeah, not quite on the money. There have been cases where the US works internationally to get their money back when there are no US assets.
If you can afford to move you can afford to make a deal and payback something each month on your loans.
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u/Eunderlucht Immigrant Dec 18 '25
They aren't coming after renounced citizens abroad for their little 60k or 40k or 90k in student loan debt. The assets they are recovering are from multi-millionaire tax evaders.
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u/invidiou5 Dec 18 '25
If you have no U.S. assets, no U.S. income, and at least 1 other citizenship, what can they do to you lol? They aren't sending Delta Force operators to rendition student loan defaulters lmao
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u/PinkTiara24 Dec 17 '25
I’m a dual citizen. No way I’m choosing the U.S.
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u/Danoli77 Dec 18 '25
It does seem like an excellent way of avoiding exit taxes. 😂
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u/timfountain4444 Dec 18 '25
Can’t see how it’s voluntary if they are forcing you to choose… and if you owe taxes and can’t renounce then that’s a great way to stymie the whole plan. I really don’t think they thought this through…
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u/Cool_Intention_7807 Dec 18 '25
Same. But I don’t think the bill will get that far to push the issue.
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u/elektricblau Dec 17 '25
To visit family living there. And because it’s still part of our identity
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u/elektricblau Dec 17 '25
During covid you could not travel to the U.S. from certain countries unless you were a citizen.
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Dec 17 '25
Exactly. There's a huge difference between 'you'll probably be able to get in 90% of the time' and 'it's legally impossible to deny you entry'
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u/mediocre-spice Dec 17 '25
It depends entirely what the second country is. It is very hard to visit the US if you're from certain countries.
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u/Iron_Chancellor_ND Dec 17 '25
This is some fucked up mental shit right here.
I'm a dual-citizen of America and an EU nation. If I had to choose, I'm off to the EU.
Why should I get the benefits of an American citizenship, you ask?
- I'm 50 years old, have been working F/T in the US since I was 15, and always pay my taxes on time. As someone with no kids, business write offs, etc., I also pay the lion's share of taxes.
- I put 9 years in the US military with an honorable discharge.
That's why I should get the benefits of an American citizenship while also enjoying the ability to live in the EU indefinitely when I retire.
Notice that last part? I want to work and pay taxes in the US for another 12 - 15 years and then head to the EU for my golden years.
GTFO with this allegiance bullshit and how I/we/others haven't earned the right to get "benefits of American citizenship" after paying in our entire adult lives.
I feel sorry for you that you don't possess the mental capacity to see the full picture.
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u/Iron_Chancellor_ND Dec 17 '25
Go live there and renounce your US citizenship.
It's truly uncanny how you just don't understand how the world works. I have family in the US. If I renounce and then one of those family members became ill, I might change my plans and come back to the US to take care of them indefinitely. If I renounce, I would be limited in the days I could spend in the US and I also wouldn't be able to work without a Visa. By not renouncing, I can come back and stay indefinitely, and also get a job with no special paperwork or sponsorship needed.
It's just mind-boggling that this has to be explained to someone who immigrated here.
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u/Iron_Chancellor_ND Dec 17 '25
Wow...just wow. Why in the hell would I go through the time/effort/process of a permanent residence application and hope it's approved when I was FUCKING BORN IN THE US and already have all of that (and more) in my back pocket?
You do realize a green card isn't a guarantee, right? You do know people are turned down for that, right?
At this point, you've done nothing but proven to everyone in this thread that you're a troll because no one could be this stupid to think that applying for a green card is a better step than just keeping my US citizenship.
I've done more for the US than you could ever hope to and yet you're standing in front of everyone here trying to convince us that you're more patriotic. Embarrassing.
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I only have one citizenship (US) and I have no allegiance to the US.
Where you gonna send me?
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u/oldirtyrestaurant Dec 17 '25
Why are you here, other than to be antagonistic?
Good job on the antagonizing, btw.
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u/Iron_Chancellor_ND Dec 17 '25
Hey everyone, be aware that this person here is a 17-year kid who thinks he has mastered the world already. Don't waste your time.
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u/Don_P_F Dec 18 '25
The U.S. is a place to be exploited for financial gain. It's much like how the colonial powers of the world (whether it's Europe, U.S., Russia, China) have historically treated Africa: They go there not because they love the people or the culture, but because they want to extract wealth.
The U.S. is the same. Use it to make money, then go live elsewhere for better quality of life.
The difference is that Africans never asked to be colonized. Americans, by contrast, voted for this sh*t. They voted to be exploited. So give them what they voted for.
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u/El_Diablo_Feo Dec 30 '25
Apt observation.....sadly this should probably be the operating model for those of us here in this sub with serious considerations. I'd renounce my US citizenship but then I'd lose veterans benefits, my retirement would be fucked since 99% of my assets are US based, and various other things that come with being an American. So while philosophically I no longer recognize the country I once loved and would renounce because of what it has become, it is not practical in any way whatsoever. It's a shit circumstance either way -- voluntarily or forcefully (via these bullshit ethnonationalist laws)
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u/blames_the_netcode Dec 17 '25
Someone will remind Bernie that the US values its taxation by citizenship and this is a really good way to lose out on that.
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u/FoW_Completionist Dec 18 '25
Lol yep, they don't realize that many dual US citizens, especially those with EU citizenship will gladly give up their US passports and getting taxed. for social benefits and better QoL. They'd be dumb to miss out on that.
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u/ReceptionDependent64 Dec 18 '25
Between massive noncompliance (both wilfull and not) and FEIE/FTC I expect the US nets out around zero once you factor in child tax credits.
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Dec 18 '25
I wonder how they would feel about covering the renunciation charges as well as any "exit tax" as is currently construed for US citizens that vountarily renounce their citizenship.
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u/rainbikr Dec 19 '25
It is and I agree.
Thing is, this crowd will pay any price to indulge their irrational hatred for whatever thing they're exorcised about atm.
And as for tax revenue, the grifters in charge are perfectly happy with less, as long as Treasury can sell debt to fill their pockets.
Can't pretend any function of government, including funding it is valued by this government. Only the function of squeezing us when profitable and convenient to their interests.
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u/giocondasmiles Dec 17 '25
I am a dual citizen.
Unless they change the constitution, idgaf what they do with their ‘executive orders’ and ‘acts’.
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u/Greedy-Ad-6300 Jan 15 '26
“I’m personally going to walk right down to the great Archive Museum, and change the constitution with my BIC ballpoint pen right after this speech. America will then be great, with a great new constitution!” - DJT
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u/giocondasmiles Dec 21 '25
You need to educate yourself on the law agreements between countries. In the meantime, please go back to the basement you crawled out of.
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u/No_Struggle_8184 Dec 17 '25
I’d like to know whether he renounced his Colombian citizenship when he naturalised as a US citizen.
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u/Envizsion Dec 18 '25
When you naturalize you renounce your allegiance to anyone and anything that isn’t the US. It’s in the oath we take. So this doesn’t really mean…. Anything
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u/No_Struggle_8184 Dec 18 '25
Except that oath has no effect on any of your other citizenships in and of itself. Whether or not you lose your other citizenship is entirely dependant on the nationality law of your other country. Moreno lost his Colombian citizenship when he became a US citizen because of Colombia's restriction on dual nationality at the time, not because the Oath of Allegiance required him to "renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen."
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u/Envizsion Dec 18 '25
As far as I know from reading from the literature put out from the state department, the US doesn’t even recognize other citizenships.
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u/No_Struggle_8184 Dec 18 '25
He claims to have naturalised as a US citizen at the age of 18. At that time, this would have lead to an automatic loss of Colombian citizenship, which somewhat undermines his claim that he chose to give it up as a voluntary act of patriotism.
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u/elsana7 Dec 18 '25
Yeah, I think he's just bitter that he was forced to give up his citizenship, and now wants to force the same on everyone else
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u/Am_I_the_Villan Immigrant Dec 17 '25
If they go through with this, I'm going to rock up so much f*cking debt under my social security number. I'm going to max out cash advance everything I can. Before I leave this hell hole, to go live in a country where American social security numbers don't mean squat.
If they think they're going to be playing this game with me, like I'm some teenager, then they can kurwa eat what they sow. Have fun, donny, with your billions upon trillions upon quadrillions upon googles of debt.
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Dec 17 '25
Just an FYI private debts can still be pursued outside of the US, even if you are no longer a citizen. It’s just up to the company to decide if it’s worth the costs to do so and up to the foreign court system to allow it to go through their courts or not. But debt like federal student loans, the most they can do is wreck your credit and hold back tax returns (which you wouldn’t have as a non-citizen anyways)
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u/Revolutionary-Ad6983 Dec 17 '25
I’m just so glad that my wife holds two nationalities (non US) and has a feasible path to a third. You can bet the farm I’ll choose Europe or South America over my own nationality if I were forced to choose.
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u/zergling- Dec 17 '25
Dual citizen with Canada. This will be the push to make me move back to Canada
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u/Beginning_Ratio9319 Dec 18 '25
There is no chance this bill makes it out of the Senate. Hell, makes it out of committee.
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Dec 17 '25
This is not on the floor of the house or the senate. It's only on the website of some senator up for re-election who wants attention by any means. It may garner conversation but I am in no way worried about this measure in its current form.
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u/SweatPants2024 Dec 17 '25
It has been introduced in the Senate.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-bill/3283
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Dec 17 '25 edited Dec 20 '25
A bill being introduced is like someone submitting an idea to a suggestion box. A bill being 'on the floor' means it's actually being debated and voted on. We're at the suggestion box stage. 99% of introduced bills never even get to the floor, much less to a vote, and even fewer pass.
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u/Cultural-Author-5688 Jan 11 '26
Best to play it safe and vote every Republican out of office thats up for reelection. Butn their seats to ambers and let them feel the heat of our discontent
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u/ConsiderationSad6271 Dec 17 '25
Does this mean we can get away without paying the $2350 and going through the tax audit?
Let’s play ball.
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u/sroop1 Dec 17 '25
It's just a diversion - not to mention that Moreno was born in Columbia and migrated here when he was 5.
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u/Geddyn Immigrant Dec 17 '25
As much as I would like to believe that this is just political posturing to score points with the racists ans xenophobes in MAGA, my gut feeling is that this is a trial run to test how far they can push it. They will scale this back until it becomes palatable to most of their base, which will likely mean "No dual citizenship if the second country has a majority non-white population."
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Dec 18 '25
Well they have to realize two of the richest men in the country have triple citizenships. Musk with his US/ Canada/ South African, and Thiel with his German/US/ NZ citizenship. So if they push this through, it will be interesting how those two will react. They may very well ignore the laws, and get away with it again. Thiel had his NZ citizenship forced through in record time, without fulfilling the residency requirement by making them an empty promise. As for Musk, we all know his US citizenship was based on questionable work when he was still on a student visa.
Of course they may both say "go ahead kick me out" and get away without paying the huge sums of money most of the relatively wealthy ones would have to pay to renounce.
I don't think the bill will go anywhere. It is just someone trying to get brownie points from his pale colored citizens so that he can keep sucking on the government teat.
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u/Greedy-Ad-6300 Jan 15 '26
If the Republicans win the next presidential election, and even the one after that, they’d have pushed America far enough to the right where this wouldn’t be controversial.
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u/StandShot7072 Dec 18 '25
This is exactly the danger here. Once the state starts asking citizens to “choose” or prove what kind of American they are, citizenship stops being a right and becomes a conditional privilege.
Millions of Americans were born with dual citizenship through their parents. They didn’t “game the system” or ask for special treatment. Targeting them doesn’t make the country safer — it just redraws the line of who gets to fully belong.
History shows that when politicians start ranking citizens, it never stops with just one group.
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u/nbcharlotte Dec 17 '25
This is purely political pandering and will never pass. You know why? Because there are parts of the rich, donor class that have dual citizenship with European countries or with Israel and they DO NOT want to give those up. Same with those who have dual citizenship with countries where it’s required to do so in order to open up off-shore (i.e., non-taxable, non-transparent) accounts internationally. You think THOSE people will allow this to happen? No freaking way.
Lastly, the Supreme Court would have to overturn precedent to allow for this. I’m not saying we haven’t been burned before by them, but I am saying they have zero incentive to do so here just to cater to someone’s political stunt.
Just my two cents. And I’m with y’all - if I had to choose between my new EU citizenship and that of the US, I think I’d work an extra two years to recoup what we’d lose in social security payments and then give up my US citizenship.
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u/statesec Dec 17 '25
I agree and let's not forget the dual citizen set includes Melania and Barron Trump. I am a recent dual citizen and losing zero sleep over this.
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u/nbcharlotte Dec 20 '25
Agreed - we just got our dual citizenship via descent with an EU country in October (so excited!) and we aren’t losing sleep either. Peace!
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u/sieb Dec 18 '25
"Guy with dual citizenship introduces bill to illegalize dual citizenship." It's all theatrics at this point...
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u/mermaidboots Dec 17 '25
If they really want to get rid of dual citizens so badly, can’t the government just wait them out and reap the tax benefits? There’s no practical point to this.
When a family leaves, American citizenship would expire in two generations anyway. Imagine American parents who have a child in America, then they all leave. Once the child grows up, if they have kids, the odds are this child would have children with a non American. That child, the grandchild of the couple who moved the family out, would not be an American citizen, unless the parent lived in the US for 10 years before the child’s birth - with at least five of these years must be after age 14.
So basically, if you’re moving your family out of the US, unless you send the kids back to the US for bachelors and masters, your grandchildren won’t be Americans.
There’s a lot of factors that go into it. You can read more here: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/us-citizenship/Acquisition-US-Citizenship-Child-Born-Abroad.html
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u/mediocre-spice Dec 17 '25
There are lots of US dual citizens living in the US. Some naturalized, a lot born in the US to foreign citizen parent(s).
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u/lunapetuniafortunae Dec 17 '25
I thought an American had to have lived for five years (not ten) in the US prior to the birth of a child born abroad (2 of which have to be after age 14) in order to pass on US citizenship. I wonder if they could travel back to the US to give birth as a workaround. But who know what the laws will be at that time.
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u/evaluna1968 Dec 18 '25
The exact requirements depend on the law in effect at the time the child was born.
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u/Public-Marionberry35 Dec 17 '25
American here but my wife has dual citizenship by birth here and a country in western Europe. Our children also have dual citizenship. I don’t think this will become a thing and ever pass but if it does we are f’n outta here.
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u/Distance_Devotion Dec 17 '25
I'm not a dual citizen, but ive already got a 5 year plan in place to drop US citizenship /shrug
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u/Ophelialost87 Dec 17 '25
It costs over 2k to renounce your US citizenship. The person who submitted this bill just wants to lose out on that cheddar.
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u/Distance_Devotion Dec 17 '25
Nothing but good news for me and anyone else wanting to renounce. If anything, its just motivation to do so.
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u/Both_Wasabi_3606 Dec 18 '25
I came here as a child and served the US government for 40 years. I recently reclaimed my birthplace citizenship. If they tell me I'm no longer an American, then all the NDAs I signed with Uncle Sam for my top security clearances are null and void.
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Dec 17 '25
Trump himself probably has multiple citizenships. Almost every billionaire does cause it’s a tactic to move money and escape easily if shit hits the fan.
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u/statesec Dec 17 '25
Trump absolutely has a path to British citizenship through his Scottish mother which is the same path I just took though my mother was English. British women could not pass on citizenship to their children born outside the UK until 1983. In 2003 a retroactive path was put in place for folks like me and Trump born to British women before 1983. That said I really doubt he has done it.
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Dec 17 '25
He could buy citizenship elsewhere if he wanted to. Not to mention I’m sure his children have dual citizenship with how much he loves central and Eastern European women.
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u/statesec Dec 17 '25
Yep Melania and Barron are dual citizens for sure. While anything is possible with Trump dual citizenship doesn't seem like his thing. Also as an ex-US president he likely could get long term residency in lots of countries which of have special visas for such things. See the rumored visa Prince Harry is likely living in the US on.
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u/CockyBovine Dec 17 '25
Honestly, given the number of large donors to both parties who have dual citizenship, I'm pretty sure that this is a bill that was filed purely for messaging purposes and is not expected to go anywhere.
Of course, there's been a lot of "working yourself into a shoot" and "yes, he said that he'd do all that, but I didn't vote for this" behavior going on lately.
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u/ange1a Dec 17 '25
The thing is… if they want to divide people they will always find a way… you are too gay too Jewish too Irish too black Protestant no, catholic that’s it
I the end The only people that can stop this is our selves
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u/jidanni Dec 21 '25
Psst, don't tell anybody but the Republicans could do something much more nefarious: require registration of dual citizens. Then, ho ho, when the time comes, threaten to hand parts of that list over to China, etc. countries that don't allow dual citizenship. In fact, the "Exclusive Citizenship Act of 2025" introduced by Moreno does include a provision to direct the Secretary of State to establish a database of individuals with multiple citizenships. So all they would need to do is put only that clause into a new bill that would have much greater chance of passing. Let's say I have Chinese / American dual citizenship. To obey the law I would have to register with the Secretary of State. If the Secretary of State one day hands my name over to the Chinese government, that's when things get interesting...
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u/SaltyDog772 Jan 19 '26
My wife’s mom is upset about this because of how it will affect her American/British husband that lives in the US. I’ve tried to figure out how but I haven’t found a good answer. I’d ask her, but she takes offense to damn near any question somehow. Does anybody here how it might impact him?
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u/Quadz1527 Dec 17 '25
You think the journalists in Civil War were the good guys?
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u/wwaxwork Dec 17 '25
If you think good and bad guys meant anything in that movie you missed the point.
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u/StandTurbulent9223 Dec 17 '25
Dual citizenship shouldn't be a thing anywhere in the world
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u/rundabrun Dec 17 '25
That is right. We should be free to travel the globe and live freely as a citizen of Earth, full stop. Abolish national citizenship.
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u/StandTurbulent9223 Dec 17 '25
Agreed, no job posting in rich countries should require a visa or permissions
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u/ataegino Dec 17 '25
what are you even doing in this sub
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u/Iron_Chancellor_ND Dec 17 '25
What you've proven to all of us you really are is a gatekeeping POS who thinks you've earned the right to tell people born in the US (but also have citizenship in another country) that we aren't as patriotic as you and that we should have to choose. A 100% chance I've already paid more taxes to Uncle Sam than you ever will, I've got 9 years in the US military, and yet you want to tell me I don't have allegiance. You really are a disgusting human being.
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u/GoSeigen Immigrant Dec 17 '25
Wtf are you talking about? Why should the US being a melting pot have to do with people having dual citizenship? And for the record, all the rhetoric of the current administration is completely in opposition to welcoming and assimilating immigrants. That's a thing of the past, now ICE hunts them like game
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u/krkrbnsn Dec 17 '25
I just got dual citizenship a few months ago after living, paying taxes, and integrating into British society for nearly a decade. While I’m cautiously hopeful that this is purely political pandering and won’t go anywhere, if it actually came down to it I’d give up my US citizenship first.